Hiverian Perimeters

[zsozso]

I think size reduction upon attack also depends on having (or not) PD, i.e. if the base has PD, then killing the defenders without nerve gas will keep the population. However, if the base does not have PD, then killing the last defender will reduce the pop by 1.

However, there is also a difference where you attack from. E.g. I noticed that killing the last defender in a coastal land base by a copter from a land square will reduce the pop, BUT if the same copter attacks from a sea tile and kills the last defender then the pop remains.

[Alinestra Covelia]

Yeah that coast/land thing is exactly the same as it was in Civ2.

[Dr Jekyll]

The Hive perims are justified by being underground bunkers, so they can't be a mindset... I guess they're destroyed/sabotaged by being cracked open.

[Xian]

The mindworms dig up and expose the Hive bases - which are underground and "equivalent" to having perimeter defenses. (you cant build perimeter defenses as the hive because it makes no sense to protect empty space, and they expand FAR beyond the topographical cities of other civilizations)

if you ask me the design was pretty cool

[EmperorJay]

in one MP game of mine I had a PD suddenly show up, where I certainly hadn't built one (I was playing Lal) and next turn it disappeared again...


any theories about that?
btw: Yang was just being killed by the cyborgs at that time...

[Datajack Franit]

But still you cannot scrap them in order to get some quick cash

[EmperorJay]

I don't know if you can, because it was MP I didn't try...

[Tau Ceti]

Originally posted by johndmuller
In addition to the hit or miss acquisition of facs one *deserves* to get when conquering a base, I have noticed that it seems considerably more likely that a conquered base will retain a fac if it were the other factions freebie (i.e. a conquered Hive base seems reasonably likely to retain its Perim, etc.).

Not only does it retain it - if it does not have one at the moment of conquest, it will build one when it is occupied. This is true of all free facilities, and it is particularly interesting if fighting the Data Angels - if you have Pre-Sentient Algorithms (which would give them free Covert Ops Centres) and they do not, any Angel cities you conquer will still build one when you occupy them.

But it is not without exception. I have the same experiences as everyone else; sometimes you do not get the facility, and sometimes it shows up in some random other city instead. I have seen no system to this.

Also, AFAIK, a city loses 1 population point when occupied unless it is being liberated (ie. it has your faction architecture).

[Barinthus]

I've seen similiar thing with my Data Angels, sometimes when I conquer a base, there's no Covert Ops Centre there. I just figured it's a bug. *shrug*

[Alinestra Covelia]

Dude.

It's been over a year since this thread was posted and the fact that there's no answer yet speaks volumes, I think.

[Vev]

Happy Anniversary!

[Snowflake]

The only thing I was thinking is that it will be nice if the conqured base will retain the free facility of the old faction and also obtain the free facility of your faction. Like if you are Hive and you conqure a univ base, then the base would have both a free node and a free perim. Guess that must not be the case.

[Lazerus]

Considering Hive bases are supposed to be underground it seems weird that when conquered it somehow loses its defensive capability therefore apparently its now above ground ?

[Barinthus]

Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
It's been over a year since this thread was posted and the fact that there's no answer yet speaks volumes, I think.

Yeah, I was going thru old threads, and am about the half way through them now. Just couldn't resist adding my half-cent. Beside it was one year and one day .

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Lazerus
Considering Hive bases are supposed to be underground it seems weird that when conquered it somehow loses its defensive capability therefore apparently its now above ground ?

I know the gamestory says underground cities but I always think of it more like a series of bunkers . .. How else could a single probe team destroy it