Apolyton Hall of Fame: December 2002

[Method]

Originally posted by FNBrown
Why is this thread only in this forum?

it's in pretty much every forum. the main one is in the OT

[FNBrown]

Originally posted by TKG


it's in pretty much every forum. the main one is in the OT

... which further reinforces the over-representation of OT posters in the HOF.

I mean, I post in the OT, too, but I think the honor of HOF membership should go to someone who's contributing to the message boards on a regular basis in a way that improves gaming for everyone, whether it's answering noob questions, creating cool mods, writing great fiction, or sharing clever strategies and tactics.

[Method]

it goes basically to those who contribute to the community of apolyton. OTers do that, and in some cases more than those who actually play......in this case, i voted for 3 SMACers. blake for his eco-damage formula (ned and fitz are gone), ogie for contributing to the forums all the time, and ali cove for Joe

OTers on the other hand...i don't know what they do, but obviously they must be worthy of getting in the HoF, or why would they get votes?

[FNBrown]

Originally posted by TKG
it goes basically to those who contribute to the community of apolyton. OTers do that, and in some cases more than those who actually play......in this case, i voted for 3 SMACers. blake for his eco-damage formula (ned and fitz are gone), ogie for contributing to the forums all the time, and ali cove for Joe

OTers on the other hand...i don't know what they do, but obviously they must be worthy of getting in the HoF, or why would they get votes?

Because the other OT'ers vote for 'em.

The OT forum is far and away the busiest on Apolyton. Even though this is a "gamers" site, we have more off-topic postings than all others combined.

So, if you're posting witty and entertaining remarks in OT on a regular basis, you're a likely candidate for HOF votes, regardless of your contribution to any gaming aspects of Apolyton.

Personally, I think the HOF voting needs to be done by a committee of the moderators, and not merely made into a popularity contest. The popular vote and popular nominations can be taken into consideration, but someone needs to make an objective decision based on overall contribution to the games that these forums are about.

[DarkCloud]

Personally, I think the HOF voting needs to be done by a committee of the moderators, and not merely made into a popularity contest. The popular vote and popular nominations can be taken into consideration, but someone needs to make an objective decision based on overall contribution to the games that these forums are about.

No one wanted to do the vet's comittee we tried
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AC-
They’ve all contribuited to apolyton… each in their own way.
If you notice; the OT has one of the largest post counts at apolyton; and in the downtime between games; many posters hung out in the OT and stayed. Without the OT, there would probably be 10-20% less posters On topic at apolyton right now… And the OT is quite vibrant and old, many of the membmers being there since 1999 or 2000… or even longer in some cases.

Oters are alos one of our largest voting blocs- over 1/2 of the hall votes came from the OT…
The other 1/2 came mostly from the AC and Civ III sections with the CTP sections weiging in at about 4 votes toatal and the Other games having about 3 votes.

This also has existed in the OT longer than the on-topic. Last election was the first On-topic experiment. This one is the second.

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And, in other news!!!!!


The Election is Complete!

Well, congratulations our three new inductees rounding out the class of 2002!

1 Slowwhand- ------------(37) 22----59
2 Frogger [Krazy Horse]- ------- (37) 17----54
3 Asher- ------(28) 24---52

Three prominent Oters come to light at first glance, but then you might notice Slowwhand’s and Krazy Horse [Frogger’s] other activities; Frogger for one posted a lot in the Civ sections, as did Slowwhand. Now of course, Asher is the straight Oter- but there’s a bad apple in every bunch and Asher deserves his election due to his loyalty to Apolyton, his humorous OT posts, and his constant presence in the OT community; helping keep Apolyton vibrant and exciting.

However, it seems as though next election (January 2003) will bring about a new wave of posters from the Civ III section to the forefront of the Hall of Fame, thus commemorating the new game’s place in the annals of Apolyton History; since in 2003 all the 2002 posters will be gifted with another vote… making each individual vote count for two… all other groups however, will remain at the same number of votes.

Also coming in 2003… More major renovations and changes for the Hall of Fame based on YOUR suggestions!

Thanks for participating in 2002 and Merry Christmas!

-DC

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The results follow:


Current Standings (The Previous Votes’ add-ins are in brackets)
These are all the people who made the last List, but were not elected.

1 Slowwhand- ------------(37) 22----59
2 Frogger [Krazy Horse]- ------- (37) 17----54
3 Asher- ------(28) 24---52

orange- (14) 33---47

Reismark- (23) 22---45

DinoDoc- (29) 15-- 44

Locutus- (23) 14----37

DanS- (20) 16----36

Paul- (24) 10---34
DarkCloud- (18) 16----34

korn469- --------- (23) 10---- 33
Fez/Giancarlo- (26) 7---33

Boris Godunov – (11) 21----32

Sprayber - --------- (18) 12---30

MLeonard- -----(21) 8----29

Zykla- (12) 4---24

Scouse Gits- (15) 8----23
JohnT- -(15) 8---23

Eli- (15) 5----20

Urban Ranger- (19)
Solver- (15) 4---19

Sten Sture- (14) 4----18

Ogie Oglethorpe- (3) 14---17

fiera- (12) 4----16
Azazel (Dalgetti)- (9) 7----16

Tau Ceti- (5) 10--15
ixnay- (4) 11---15
Theseus- (3) 12--15

CivNation (AKA DefensorFidei)- (10) 4----14
n.c.- (14)
Catt- 14

Shadowstrike (10) 3----13
War4Ever- (6) 7---13
Alinestra Covelia 13

alexman (1) 11---12
Tiamat-( 9) 3----12

Sagacious Dolphin- (7) 4---11
Shi Huangdi- (3) 8----11
David Floyd- (11)
Sikander- (4) 7----11
Natan- (8) 3---11
Immortal Wombat- (9) 2----11

devilmunchkin- (10)
jon miller- (8) 2----10
Lincoln- (10)
werefox- (6) 4----10
Aeson- (6) 4---10
Arrian (3) 7--- 10

East Street Trader- (6) 3---9
Red_jon- (9)
Zeus_of_Olimpos- (5) 4----9
EyesOfNight- (2) 7----9
Caesar the Great-(6) 3----9
notyoueither- 9

Marquis de Sodaq- (4) 4---8
Mr Fun- (8)
Porphyrogenitus- (8)
Albert Speer (8)
Empress- (5) 3----8

warpstorm- 7
boann- (5) 2----7
DeepO-(5) 2----7
Coracle- (5) 2----7
WesW- 7
Hexagonian- 7

axi- (6)
Sergeant Sheets- (2) 4----6
Jack the Bodiless-(6)
Kassiopeia- 6
Rand Al'Tor- (6)
Skanky Burns- (1) 5----6

BlackWidow24- (5)
Clear Skies- (5)
the capo- (5)
El Awrence- (5)
Sir Ralph- (3) 2----5
MariOne- 5
Trip- 5

Dominikos-4
GePap- 4
Lefty Scaevola- 4
Dr Strangelove- (4)
Dale- 4
Mario- 4
JimmyTrick-4
Vondrack 4

MBloomIII- (3)
Six Thousand Year Old Man- (3)
BeBro- (3)
Waku- (3)
Belinda9- (3)
Harlan- 3
Dissident- (3)
Vi Vicdi- (3)
Monkspider- (3)
Gramphos- (3)
ColdWizard- (3)
Kaak- (3)
phoenixcager- (3)
FlamefFlash 3
dojoboy 3
Bradman 3

FemmeAdonis- (2)
Guynemer- (2)
markusf- (2)
UberKrux- 2
mindseye- (2)
DeathByTheSword 2
Blake- 2
Sir David- (2)
Frustrated Poet- 2
Gibsie- (2)
LordStone1- (2)
MOBIUS- (2)
Apocalypse- (2)
Rogan Josh- (2)
Giovanni Wine-(2)
faded glory- (2)
mindseye- (2)
Rasbelin- 2
Wigalf- (2)
Andreas- (2)
DarkStar- (2)

vulture- (1)
Seneca- (1)
Alva- 1
connorkimbro- (1)
UltraSonix- (1)
The Brain- (1)
Jimmytrick- (1)
Master Marcus- (1)
DylanBaker- (1)
Hydey- (1)
Taurus- (1)
Ted Stryker [Derek, Provost D]- (1)
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I vote for korn469-3 Empress- 3 Shadowstrike-3

Who voted for Whom

Adam Smith voted for: Reismark (4), DanS (4), StenSture (4)
alva voted for: DeepO (2), Frustrated Poet (2), Notyoueither (2)
Apocalypse voted for: Asher (4), ixnay (4), Solver (4)
Asher voted for: KrazyHorse (4), DinoDoc (4), Zylka (4)
asleepatthewheel voted for: notyoueither (1), warpstorm (1), arrian (1)
Azazel voted for: Locutus (3), Eli (3), Frogger (3)
Bamspeedy voted for: Aeson (1), alexman (1), Warpstorm (1)
boann voted for: Slowwhand (3), eyes of night (3), orange (3)
Boris Godunov voted for: ixnay (2), Asher (2), orange (2)
campmajor! voted for Theseus (3), notyoueither (3), Catt (3)
Changmai Beagle voted for: Hexagonian (4), WesW (4), Dale (4)
Chris 62 voted for: slowwhand (2), Sprayber (2), boann (2)
ColdWizard voted for: orange (3), reismark (3), Slowwhand (3)
DarkCloud voted for: korn 469 (3), Empress (3), Shadowstrike (3)
David Floyd voted for: orange (4), Mleonard (4), Slowwhand (4)
De Gaulle voted for: Alexman (1), Theseus (1), Catt (1)
devilmunchkin voted for: Slowwhand (2), DarkCloud (2), sprayber (2)
Dominae voted for: alexman (1), Arrian (1), notyoueither (1)
Eli voted for: Natan (3), Azazel (3)
FlameFlash voted for: Locutus (2), Kassiopea (2), Asher (2)
FrustratedPoet voted for: Alva (1), Skanky Burns (1), Theseus (1)
Gatekeeper voted for: FlameFlash (3), dojoboy (3), Bradman (3)
GePap voted for: Sir Ralph (2), Trip (2), Fez(2)
GP voted for: Sergeant Sheets (4), Dominikos (4), Frogger (4)
Grumbold voted for: Hexagonigan (3), WesW (3), korn469 (3)
Guynemer voted for: KrazyHorse (4), DinoDoc (4), JohnT (4)
gwillybj voted for: MariOne (2), Alinestra Covelia (2), Ogie Oglethorpe (2)
H Tower voted for: DinoDoc (2), Immortal Wombat (2), Asher (2)
Immortal Wombat voted for: Paul (3), Locutus (3), Harlan (3)
Imran Siddiqui voted for: DanS (4), Asher (4), Slowwhand (4)
ixnay voted for Asher (4), Zylka (4), Boris Godunov (4)
Jay Bee voted for: DarkCloud (4), Paul (4), Fiera (4)
jdd2007 voted for: Locutus (2), DarkCloud (2), ixnay (2)
JohnT voted for: DanS (4), DarkCloud (4), Orange (4)
Jon Miller voted for: Zeus_of_Olimpos (4), CivNation (AKA DefensorFidei) (4), Zykla (4)
Kampus majore voted for: Theseus (1), notyoueither (!), Arrian (1)
Konquest02 voted for: Alexman (1), Theseus (1), Arrian (1)
Lazarus and the Gimp voted for: Alnistera Covelia (4), Eyes of Night (4), Sagacious Dolphin (4)
Mad Bomber voted for: alexman (1), Aeson (1), Warpstorm (1)
MariOne voted for: Sikander (4), Ogie Oglethorpe (4), Tau Ceti (4)
Ming voted for: werefox (4), Mleonard (4), Reismark (4)
monkspider voted for: Boris Godunov (2), Orange (2), Jon Miller (2)
Mr. President voted for: Kassiopea (2), DeathByTheSword (2), Alnistera Covelia (2)
Ned voted for: Shi Huangdi (4), GePap (4), Azazel (4)
notyoueither voted for: Frogger (2), korn469 (2), Aeson (2)
Ogie Oglethorpe voted for: Mario (4), JimmyTrick (4), Slowwhand (4)
orange voted for Caesar the Great (3), Reismark (3), Tiamat (3)
panag voted for: Eli (2)
Paul voted for: Locutus (4), Scouse Gits (4), Tau Ceti (4)
Plan Austral voted for: Ixnay (2), Boris Godunov (2), Fez (2)
rah voted for: DarkCloud (4), Reismark (4), War4Ever (4)
redbull voted for: DinoDoc (1), Ixnay (1), Asher (1)
red_jon voted for: Boris Godunov (3), Fez (3), Orange (3)
Sagacious Dolphin voted for: orange (4), DanS (4), Skanky Burns (4)
self biased voted for: Boris Godunov (4), Orange (4), Lefty Scaevola (4)
Seneca voted for: Boris Godunov (3), Alinestra Covelia (3), East Street Trader (3)
Skanky Burns voted for: korn469 (2), Asher (2), ixnay (2)
Sikander voted for: Ogie Oglethorpe (3), MariOne (3), Tau Ceti (3)
Sir Ralph voted for: Theseus (2), arrian (2), alexman (@)
Slowwhand voted for: Sprayber (4), Orange (4), Reismark (4)
Stefu voted for: DinoDoc (4), JohnT (4), Sprayber (4)
Stuie voted for: Theseus (2), Catt (2), UberKrux (2)
Taz voted for: Sikander (3), Ogie Oglethorpe (3), Tau Ceti (3)
The Pioneer voted for: Vondrack (!), Trip (1), Catt (1)
Theseus voted for: Catt (1), Arrian (1), alexman (1)
Tiberius voted for: Alexman (3), Warpstorm (3), Vondrack (3)
TKG voted for: Blake (2), Ogie Oglethorpe (2), Alnisteria Covelia (2)
Trajanus voted for: Boris Godunov (3)
Tuomerehu voted for: Rasbelin (2), Kassiopeia (2), Trip (2)
WarpStorm voted for: notyoueither (2), Coracle (2), Catt (2)
wilbill voted for: warpstorm (1), theseus (1), Catt (1)
Vlad Antlerkov voted for: Black Dragon/Shi Huangdi (4), Scouse Gits (4), Marquis de Sodaq (4)
Zopperoni voted for: Paul (3), War4Ever (3), Asher (3)

[Mr. President]

Good work DarkCloud, and thanks for at least trying to get on-topic denizens voting - even though three off-topicers were again inducted on what is a designated CivGame website and not an Obnoxious Discussion of Politics and Garbage website , it gives hope for the future.

[MariOne]

To FNBrown argument, that's indeed what I suggested when I talked about Sections in the HoF.
It might be actually a bit difficult to understand *which* votes of all those expressed would have to be counted for instance for the AC Section of the HoF. That is, whether you cast a general vote, and a sub-ranking of the general HoF is made taking into account the post# specifically in the concerned site section...
Or if instead you vote for a "general" HoFer, and then cast a second, specialistic vote for the specific section you're interested in...

DC told he'll have considered the issue....

That apart, I am.... in lack of the proper lexicon, the words "dumfounded", "floundered" and "flustered" come to my mind, but very likely some of them are meaning something totally unrelated.
What I mean, is that I'm flattered and confused for the appreciation someone expressed, I wasn't even remotely fishing for it when I replied to this thread.
It's a pleasure knowing that all my pompous, longwinded, pedantic and nitpicking posts have in the end actually influence at least a bit the way someone is playing the game (thanks gwillybj).

Anyway, Dark Cloud, I "think", without being presumtpious, that when Ogie expressed a preference for Mario, he actually intended to nominate me.
It DOES indeed exist a plain "Mario" UserID, but it appears to have... 0 posts!

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

LOL....

Yes MariOne you were the intended recipient of my misguided voting.


OTOH there is something to be said for the brevity of Mario (as opposed to the verbose commentary style you and I tend towards), perhaps he is worthy of voting.

[Sikander]

[FNBrown]

Well, it's OT votes for OT candidates. Whoop-dee-doo. When was the last time any of those three guys contributed to anything ON topic?

The HOF is a joke. Call it the Off-topic prom queen election and be done with it.

[MariOne]

Of course it's a joke.
That's what we keep us lightly entertained with, in between longer, immersive sessions of SERIOUS gaming entertainment.

FNB, what how would you TELL and OT elector from and OnT one, or an OT candidate from and OnT one?
Again, either you go by post counts forum by forum, or you keep separate the different votes coming from local forums threads (which won't tho avoid an OTter coming here to vote for an OTter candidate...). All this always in the light of light entertainment

[spartak]

Very light on entertainment in this case.

[FNBrown]

Originally posted by MariOne

FNB, what how would you TELL and OT elector from and OnT one, or an OT candidate from and OnT one?
Again, either you go by post counts forum by forum, or you keep separate the different votes coming from local forums threads (which won't tho avoid an OTter coming here to vote for an OTter candidate...). All this always in the light of light entertainment

Precisely why I suggested earlier that if they want a real, On-topic HOF, it should be done by committee, not by popular vote.

[gwillybj]

Part of what MariOne said:
... pompous, longwinded, pedantic and nitpicking ...

As the words of any worthy SMAC-faction-leader should be . I suspect yours have found their way into more than one custom SMAC faction .

In all seriousness, and in spite of the simple fact this is only a game, the player, whether solo or multi, must allow some measure of ego to influence his/her approach to both game-play and game-discussion. Without it, much of the pleasure of the game will go missing. Much more satisfaction can be realized by allowing one's attitude, good or bad, to influence the flow, and responding with a proper expression of indignation when the flow is not favorable. Otherwise, you are just a flesh-and-blood extension of the AI, going through the motions until the last turn is played.

All these thoughts and ideas have been influenced by not only the words posted here by the three for whom I voted, but the conviction evident behind those words.

Have A Nice Day
~willy~

[DarkCloud]

Okay, I just fixed the "mario" problem MariOne now has 9 votes for next round!
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To FNBrown argument, that's indeed what I suggested when I talked about Sections in the HoF.
It might be actually a bit difficult to understand *which* votes of all those expressed would have to be counted for instance for the AC Section of the HoF. That is, whether you cast a general vote, and a sub-ranking of the general HoF is made taking into account the post# specifically in the concerned site section...
Or if instead you vote for a "general" HoFer, and then cast a second, specialistic vote for the specific section you're interested in...

DC told he'll have considered the issue....

I'm still a bit unclear on the idea; however, my 1st idea was merely to do the following:
Split the Hall into sections in the description of who was in... such as put them in a Civ II, OT, or Civ III section for greater clarification.

Then I thought about requiring there to be one on-topicer elected; but just so you know 1- that would induce controversy and 2- all the people elected last time (save Asher) were ontopic at one point. And Krazy Horse and Slowwhand were quite good contribuiters!

FNBrown

Well, it's OT votes for OT candidates. Whoop-dee-doo. When was the last time any of those three guys contributed to anything ON topic?

So? They did ONCE help apolyton in the ontopic and taht's all that matters? Where would apolyton be without korn/Snowfire and the Civ III list? Where would apolyton be without Giant Squid in the old days, keeping interest in Civ II, etc? Where would apolyton be without people being elected for past accomplishments?

And these people- after burining out on on-topic REMAINED! They had the loyalty to stay in the OT and help the community! That is part of their charm, part of the reason that they were elected!

Precisely why I suggested earlier that if they want a real, On-topic HOF, it should be done by committee, not by popular vote.

No one wanted to be on committee.
And just how would we choose this committee? Not everyone on Apolyton knows everyone else? Even I, MarkG and Ming, all of whom get around a lot don't know everyone... and I certainly don't know what everyone does! I know OF many people but not ABOUT many people... same with anyone in the community.

Also, part of the hall's fun is its all inclusive voting fun!

MariOne

FNB, what how would you TELL and OT elector from and OnT one, or an OT candidate from and OnT one?
Again, either you go by post counts forum by forum, or you keep separate the different votes coming from local forums threads (which won't tho

Posts don't count in the OT
...And oh my... look at all the emperors in the hall



[font size="1"] Of course, before 2001 posts DID count in the OT, but still...Siddiqui and AH managed to reach deity without ot posts counting.[/font]