Comments on Jamski's Facilities Guide

[Santiago_Claus]

CEO Aaron is right: Command Centers are vital when you have to shift your economy to a war footing, and 2 isn't nearly enough.

Sometimes you don't have time to wait for 2 "core bases" to build enough gear to keep your butt alive.

I'm thinking 8 "core bases" with CC's is a much more comfortable number. You only need 1 Skunkworks, but 2 CC's is being ... a bit overconfident.

Oh, and one other thing: never re-home a unit until you've a Children's Creche up in the target base, or morale will degrade.

[Jamski]

Sometimes you don't have time to wait for 2 "core bases" to build enough gear to keep your butt alive.

This is why I'm against CCs. They're not cost effective. The trade is basically +2 Morale, or +2 units - FOR EACH BASE THAT BUILDS ONE.

If eight bases built units instead of CCs, your army would be pretty impressive.

(I assume building shells and upgrading, to save time and cost)

-Jam

[Barinthus]

Originally posted by Jamski
I assume building shells and upgrading, to save time and cost

-Jam

It's cheaper to build a basic unit then upgrade it instead of building the whole thing in the first place? Can you illustrate this?

Thanks

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by GeoModder
Yes, that can happen. Will learn you to protect vulnerable facilities better.

You can rebuild one, but IIRC, you'll have to pay upkeep for it then.

Nah, it is still free. I just conquered a large portion of the Spartans and Gaians using the Uni, and for some reason some bases didn't get NetNodes. So I built them myself. No upkeep costs for NetNodes in my entire empire, always a nice thing.

[Trithemius]

Originally posted by GeoModder
Isn't it +1 Research and +1 Planet for the progenitors?

That is what I thought. It's great if you are being a cheesy bastard and playing the Usurpers.

Judaa Marr: Nerve-gas. To love the smell of in: Morning.

[Barinthus]

Much better than naplam, indeed

[Jamski]

It's cheaper to build a basic unit then upgrade it instead of building the whole thing in the first place? Can you illustrate this?

Give me time to get the numbers together, then yes.

-Jam

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Nah, it is still free. I just conquered a large portion of the Spartans and Gaians using the Uni, and for some reason some bases didn't get NetNodes. So I built them myself. No upkeep costs for NetNodes in my entire empire, always a nice thing.

And you also rebuilded one AFTER destruction by native life?

[Skanky Burns]

Not recently. I'm Talented.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Not recently. I'm Talented.

Like Miyuki Jaydo?

[Skanky Burns]

More like the difficulty level I play at, fortunately.

[Barinthus]

No problem, Jamski. I appericate it very much .

[johndmuller]

Jam, very kind of you to compile all this info .

Would you consider collecting them into a downloadable document for everyone's convenience?

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Regarding Creches

In addition to the base defense benefits, a Creche can also mitigate SE related penalties to the morale of units based there. Typically, this would be a +1 morale when running Wealth. (This value can be lost or gained when a unit is rehomed, so beware of rehoming your defenders too soon into new bases.)

In combination with Military Facilities, Monoliths, and the 'Trained' attribute, a faction without intrinsic morale adjustments can manage to get as get their units as high as 'Commando' morale, not including combat related boosts. (Of course, aircraft cannot be monolith-upgraded, so they would top-out at 'Veteran' morale.)

I believe that NL base defenders get perhaps excessive benefits as they may receive some of the Creches penalty-mitigating benefits despite not having incurred the penalties when constructed. Also, units of morale-penalized faction such as Gaia may not receive the full SE penalties when built (the morale bottoms out at 'very-green' without possibly sparing them some of the penalty), but they may nevertheless receive the full mitigations.

[Jamski]

Would you consider collecting them into a downloadable document for everyone's convenience?

Sure, no problem. What format would people prefer? And .doc is not a format, its a virus

I'll also collect these comments together after each "flashcard" if I get time this week.

-Jam

[Sikander]

One more comment about the Command Center. It helps heal land units faster, which on occasion has been a boon to me. Of course one shouldn't play with such last ditch defenses at the forefront of their thoughts, but nonetheless it does accrue a small benefit to this facility.