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    Bloom Inoculation Question

    I’m role-playing my Morgan to be a vapid industrialist, reaping the fruits of Chiron without regard to eco pollution. This is a new situation for me since in the past my eco pollution was more or less planned, and coincided with the construction of tree farms and, later, hybrid forests. However, due to the irritations of a semi-random tech tree in my Morgan PBEM game these techs are out of reach (for now – they are at most 3 techs away: Eco Eng, Env Eco, and maybe Adapt Eco; my tech agenda is set to Build/Explore).


    My question is does the mineral production inoculation caused by fungal blooms accrue before the construction of tree farms? If it doesn’t then I am doing myself a disservice by causing all the problems if the production boost doesn’t equal the terraforming disruption. I hope it is because I will be having lots of fungal blooms soon, and just had my first one at Morgan Mines (hehe – apt name, that! Lots of mineral production there!).
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  • #2
    If i've understand you correctly yes fungal bloom pops do raise the clean mineral limit, in fact you need one to occur before tree farms can start their work raising the limit.
    Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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    • #3
      Lazerus,

      I could have just looked at my base eco damage and figured it out, I guess. After two blooms my eco damage at Morgan Mines went from 23 to 6 (foolishly, I didn’t check after the first bloom). I have been harvesting the same quantity of minerals. So, let the blooms come! Well, let them come until I get really clobbered and the destruction starts seriously eating into my ability to fix it (I have WP, so that is not too hard once I remove the fungus).

      Thanks for the head’s up, though!

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      • #4
        Let them bloom to a point. Unless you are the lucky holder of Weather paradigm too much eco damage may start the dreaded sea rise. Sounds like your a bit away from the techs allowing you to raise terrain without WP.

        Prolly' 5-7 blooms and your still OK just as long as you don't aggravate the ecodamage situation by massive gassing.
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        • #5
          i tend to try and get 4 or 5 pops in the same turn early on just as a good start, then i slow it down to around 1 pop every 3 or 4 turns since the worms will start appearing around then. This slow down usually lets you get enviro economics in good time and start building the tree farms so you wont get too many worms, on the other hand if you've got centuari empathy and have built the WP then just pop all you like and have a few empath rovers waiting.

          You shouldnt really fear sea rises, make the other factions work twice as hard as you
          Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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          • #6
            I do have WP, and have only 2 pops so far. I'll keep a close eye on eco pollution with subsequent pops - more minerals are good! This will be especially true when I finally get Env Eng and mineral restrictions are lifted (bumping minerals from 2 to 4 at mines peppered all over my territory). I expect a new round of pops then.

            As far as tech goes, I have the highest tech rate by a factor of 3, but I'm having to research the build techs myself - other factions are pursing other venues. My semi-blind is set to Build/Explore to optimize my chance at key build techs such as Eco Eng and Env Eco.

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            • #7
              Just build pressure domes and watch the cpus drown.

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              • #8
                What? And lose all my precious boreholes? Perish the thought!

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                • #9
                  Unless I'm greviously mistaken, Sea level rise is not derived from Fungal POPs, rather from the total amount of eco-damage contributed by ALL factions, so if you want to generate continuous fungal pops to boost your clean mineral limit, not to mention the cash derived from planetpearls, then pick _one_ base and crank the eco-damage rating to 30 or so. This will leave one base with a 1/3 chance of a fungal pop each turn, with virtually no rise in sea levels. Sea rise gets you when you have 15-20 bases with 5 eco damage each. The likelihood of fungal pops are fairly low, but with your total faction-wide eco-damage at 75-100, you start seriously flirting with global warming, especially if you have another faction or two donating a similar amount of ecodamage from _their_ bases.

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                  • #10
                    So thats why i get a sea rise every 5 years later in the game when I've got around 70 bases polluting the air
                    Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Qualicide
                      Just build pressure domes and watch the cpus drown.
                      Interestingly enough, you never need to build pressure domes, as the game will automatically add them to bases above a certain size (3, I think) if they are about to be engulfed - try it and see!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fluffy


                        Interestingly enough, you never need to build pressure domes, as the game will automatically add them to bases above a certain size (3, I think) if they are about to be engulfed - try it and see!

                        Yes but you lose quite a bit of population from the base that was flooded out and I thought but am not certain that you lose some facilities as well. I generally don't let my bases sink so I am not sure of this
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Flubber

                          Yes but you lose quite a bit of population from the base that was flooded out and I thought but am not certain that you lose some facilities as well. I generally don't let my bases sink so I am not sure of this
                          I believe you lose 4 population to gain the pressure dome, but anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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                          • #14
                            If you use governors *ducks behind barricade*they sometimes figure it out and start building them, but they're not very good at it...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Static Universe


                              I believe you lose 4 population to gain the pressure dome, but anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.
                              4 population seems to be what I recall as the 'flood loss' but I believe some facilities are lost as well


                              Clearskies

                              GOVERNORS ??!!

                              ( was that the reaction you expected?)
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