MY-2163 Planning Thread

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Snoddasmannen
Ooops, our SCC Njord was almost probed by a probe buggy up north. I guess we were lucky the Morgans just couldn't spare the cash . We've got to be careful to stay away from the shoreline unstacked in the future.

No - we weren't in any trouble. A probe needs to be at sea or have amphi ability to mind control a ship . Their 'Gator buggy has neither

[Googlie]

2163 moves to date

• Longstrider moves into 2Nuts Strand and takes up guard duty there
• As Zak now has an indigenous probe at Climactic research, ours moves to Fort Liberty, and the longstrider there returns to Fort Soup
• renamed B6 to Amphibious Chaos ECM Speeder, and destroyed supercrawler at Transport (kamikaze-ing)
• Njord and Vladimorei attempt shelling of forest at Whohabitat – both fail. General Tacticus tries, and fails too
• Hermes moved to Iaca bay and drops off Crypteia in Iaca suburbs
• Ardvaak moves to AU’s bay ready to pick up supercrawler
• Fort Liberty’s supercrawler moves thru Fort Soup, and rehomes there, then works forest tile en-route to port and pick-up
• SCC Iaca moved west to assist Heimdall and Pegasus
• Invincible (now 100%) leaves UN Great Refuge and heads to join Iaca and the transports
• Pegasus moves towards Heimdall, but is blocked by Gaian seaformer (see screenie)

Questions – do we want to land the Peg’s cargo for them to move overland and board the Heimdall (and maybe pop that pod with the Pegasus?. Do we move the Unity Rover back upriver as a coercion threat to the Gaians for them to move their blockers?

[Googlie]

Some further move considerations:

Do we want to chase the Morgan foil with the Minas Tirith? That would involve moving it into that fungus square (there it can't be attacked by either the Hive or the Morgan ship) - manoever 1 in the screenie. If it draws out the Hive foil, then our recuperating B-6 (not yet landed in Minas Tirith) can take it out (Unit 2 in the screenie)

[Googlie]

Repeating Maniac's "still unanswered" questions - and adding a few that have arisen after seeing the turn:

Tomcat-OAx W of OA: build road?

Tomcats VV & OAx E of OA: what to do?

Tomcats SC1 & SCWx: what to do?

Tomcats MT & SCS: build sensor array east of MT?

SC3's Crypteia: should they move to Messena or Gythium Harbour, or stay put?

SNC Hermes: move to (77.37) and drop off the Crypteia on the tile east? .............done

In case that Gaian trannie is still blocking the straits, shall we send the SCC Invincible to deal with it? ...............on its way

What will the SCC Minas Tirith do .................see my screenie - hunt down that Morgan foil?

New crawlers in Ironholm (IH), Argos (AG), GH. What will they do?

New B-4s in MT and AU. What will be their mission? .......................MT's, I think, should move onto our forwest-mineral tile and take out that Hive synthman, then move our missile rover onto that tile (under protection of the B-4) to take out the Hive arty unit next turn

Should the Heimdall retreat from the bottleneck to get under the protection of the Iaca?

Should the Pegasus unload its cargo, then pop that pod to the south to try for an AA or a facs completion (2nuts, I believe is the closest base)

Still go worm-hunting/capturing with the RT2 east of Minas Tirith?

[Googlie]

oh, and these were the messages we got on opening the turn (lots of self-propagating forests)

[Snoddasmannen]

Originally posted by Googlie

No - we weren't in any trouble. A probe needs to be at sea or have amphi ability to mind control a ship . Their 'Gator buggy has neither

Oooh, I forget about that

renamed B6 to Amphibious Chaos ECM Speeder, and destroyed supercrawler at Transport (kamikaze-ing)

Yay! We should write a story about that, ready for publication at about the same time the Morgans get the turn.

Do we want to chase the Morgan foil with the Minas Tirith? That would involve moving it into that fungus square (there it can't be attacked by either the Hive or the Morgan ship) - manoever 1 in the screenie. If it draws out the Hive foil, then our recuperating B-6 (not yet landed in Minas Tirith) can take it out (Unit 2 in the screenie)

If we are confident that there aren't any probe foils in the area, as Sherlock "Maniac" Holmes has proven, then we can go chase it. But are we going to try to sink a (very green) 2-3 foil with a (commando) 1-2 cruiser? They'll have a slight edge. Perhaps it's better to use a B-4 to sink it and just use the cruiser to find it?

Questions – do we want to land the Peg’s cargo for them to move overland and board the Heimdall (and maybe pop that pod with the Pegasus?. Do we move the Unity Rover back upriver as a coercion threat to the Gaians for them to move their blockers?

Yeah this is the most difficult decision. A diplo message to the Gaians explaining that we are moving forces out of their territory, and that unless they want them to stay there they should move their foil. If they fail to comply we can blast them out of the seas.

EDIT: Spelling ... For crying out loud how am I spelling today?!

[Modo44]

Good news about that Crawler.

I would really move all air units agains Morgan now, not later. Remember, the window of opportunity is rather small.

A Sensor near Yang is a good idea.

Starting a Borehole in a plce with sufficient food would be a good idea. Other than that, I say make Roads and Forests. I know, this is no big help.

I think we should ask the Gaians if they will move away, before deciding what to do at "their" choke point.

[Googlie]

Here's the midturn save with that handful of moves made - i'll be offline (and off computer ) for the next twelve hours or so) so others can browse and strategize "real time"

Edit: turnsave removed, as later version now available (see below)

G.

[Maniac]

I haven't had the chance yet to look at the turn. But here are comments based on the things posted here:

Originally posted by Googlie [*]Njord and Vladimorei attempt shelling of forest at Whohabitat – both fail. General Tacticus tries, and fails too

Weird. Is there perhaps a unit on that tile preventing forest bombardment?

[*]Pegasus moves towards Heimdall, but is blocked by Gaian seaformer (see screenie)[/list]Questions – do we want to land the Peg’s cargo for them to move overland and board the Heimdall (and maybe pop that pod with the Pegasus?.

IIRC the Pegasus has now three MPs left. How about moving it to that tile NW of the Gaian sea former? Then next turn, if the Gaian unity foil hasn't moved, we could move a tile NE, and either:
a) move the unit(s?) we want to move to the Heimdall over the isthmus, or
b) attack the Gaian worm stack amphibiously

Do we move the Unity Rover back upriver as a coercion threat to the Gaians for them to move their blockers?

I'd be in favour of moving the rover back on the river. Even if we decide not to attack the Gaians, we can use it to hunt for some worms on those fungal river tiles.

Originally posted by Googlie
Do we want to chase the Morgan foil with the Minas Tirith? That would involve moving it into that fungus square (there it can't be attacked by either the Hive or the Morgan ship) - manoever 1 in the screenie. If it draws out the Hive foil, then our recuperating B-6 (not yet landed in Minas Tirith) can take it out (Unit 2 in the screenie)

Originally posted by Snoddasmannen
If we are confident that there aren't any probe foils in the area, as Sherlock "Maniac" Holmes has proven, then we can go chase it. But are we going to try to sink a (very green) 2-3 foil with a (commando) 1-2 cruiser? They'll have a slight edge. Perhaps it's better to use a B-4 to sink it and just use the cruiser to find it?

I agree with Snoddasmannen it would be dangerous to attack the Morgan foil with our coastguard. Using a B-4 would be better IMO too.
Btw, while I assume with great probability there's a Corporate Gator somewhere in the PK-Morgan-Angel Ocean, there's still a second one we don't know the location of. So it would still be risky to move the SCC Minas Tirith unstacked in that general area.

Hopefully as air patrols in the Buster Ocean increase, we might spot that Gator, making the whole area safe for our ships.

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Googlie
New B-4s in MT and AU. What will be their mission? .......................MT's, I think, should move onto our forwest-mineral tile and take out that Hive synthman, then move our missile rover onto that tile (under protection of the B-4) to take out the Hive arty unit next turn

I agree.

Should the Heimdall retreat from the bottleneck to get under the protection of the Iaca?

Personally I'd let it stay for now. If we'd want to move it elsewhere to pick up cargo, we could always eg move NE->N->W next year without a problem. Unless of course there's a military threat to the Heimdall? (Don't have the turn open now)

Still go worm-hunting/capturing with the RT2 east of Minas Tirith?

IIRC we were first gonna repair it at Minas Tirith.

Originally posted by Modo44
I would really move all air units agains Morgan now, not later. Remember, the window of opportunity is rather small.

I agree about using the majority of our aircraft against the Corporation. But how about keeping that B-4 at the Hive front? We can use it to provide air cover as Googlie currently suggests with the missile rover. And later perhaps it could be useful to deal with Hive artillery units that could bombard Minas Tirith out of range of our land forces.


Tomorrow it's a holiday for the university (Dies Natalis), so I can go home earlier and post some more comments on the turn before our deadline passes.

[Snoddasmannen]

Originally posted by Maniac
Weird. Is there perhaps a unit on that tile preventing forest bombardment?

No, cos then Googlie would have seen bombardment combat against that unit. I guess we were just unlucky

IIRC the Pegasus has now three MPs left. How about moving it to that tile NW of the Gaian sea former? Then next turn, if the Gaian unity foil hasn't moved, we could move a tile NE, and either:
a) move the unit(s?) we want to move to the Heimdall over the isthmus, or
b) attack the Gaian worm stack amphibiously

How about hiding in the fungus a square further northwest? Will the Gaians be able to spot it via the Hive base screen? My motivation for hiding these troops is that a surprise attack against that Gaian stack, eliminating it entirely, would be a strong move, but they can take precautions against that if they saw our amph rover.

I'd be in favour of moving the rover back on the river. Even if we decide not to attack the Gaians, we can use it to hunt for some worms on those fungal river tiles.

I'm also in favour. But those are bad fishing waters, they're within range of the (new?) Gaian base there. A worm appearing within base radius was about 1/81 if I recall the Survivalists Guide correctly.

I agree about using the majority of our aircraft against the Corporation. But how about keeping that B-4 at the Hive front? We can use it to provide air cover as Googlie currently suggests with the missile rover. And later perhaps it could be useful to deal with Hive artillery units that could bombard Minas Tirith out of range of our land forces.

Fine, maybe we can spare one bomber

Some more random thoughts:

Hurry the crawler at Fort Soup? One (expensive) mineral away from completion, and as I recall we wouldn't be able to carry over most of those minerals after the crawler finishes anyway.

Did anybody else spot the Hive Colony pod right next to the Morgan base Choke on this? Gotta love that, trapped between a Morgan base and fungus.

Are we going to hurry a transport in Minas Tirith or Gythium (we have a crawler there)? We still haven't really made a strategic decision here, but if we are going to carry out an attack we need a transport, and we don't have much time.

Tomorrow it's a holiday for the university (Dies Natalis), so I can go home earlier and post some more comments on the turn before our deadline passes.

Well I won't be able to play much tomorrow, I have a job interview for a position as Core Technology Developer at Opera Software Wish me luck everyone.

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Snoddasmannen
Fine, maybe we can spare one bomber

Maybe not. Morgan is still the much bigger threat.

Originally posted by Snoddasmannen
Are we going to hurry a transport in Minas Tirith or Gythium (we have a crawler there)? We still haven't really made a strategic decision here, but if we are going to carry out an attack we need a transport, and we don't have much time.

If we have no other trannies nearby (here is the commanding officer of the navy speaking ), then we might need one.

I would like to propose, that we vote for/against a quick invasion. The discussion was a bit inconsistent, and one way or another, we need to decide quickly.

Originally posted by Snoddasmannen
Well I won't be able to play much tomorrow, I have a job interview for a position as Core Technology Developer at Opera Software Wish me luck everyone.

WOW
Good luck to you.

[Snoddasmannen]

Originally posted by Modo44
If we have no other trannies nearby (here is the commanding officer of the navy speaking ), then we might need one.

Nah, we have the Heimdal, but it is long ways away involved in the Gaian blockade crisis

I would like to propose, that we vote for/against a quick invasion. The discussion was a bit inconsistent, and one way or another, we need to decide quickly.

I second your proposal to do a quick vote, and I ... hesitantly ... vote in favour of a quick invasion. The Morgan economy is growing too fast.. 200 ec per turn?! Come on ...

Btw, we haven't talked to Lal about declaring war on Morgan. He will still do it in the midturn save.

WOW
Good luck to you.

Thanks

[Snoddasmannen]

Also, let's rush the B-4 at Sector Craterwest and Santiago Citadel, or our partial rushing last turn will have been completely pointless

[Googlie]

2163 continued ….

• Called Lal, he is now in Vendetta with Morgan
• RT2 retreats onto road adjacent to MT
• Missile Rover moves up onto forest mineral tile
• B-4 provides air cover and takes out Hive infantry unit as well
• Unity Rover at Gaialand moves back onto river fungus
• Pegasus moves to NE of the Gaian seaformer (I looked at the Hive base, Seat of Proper Thought, and they have several arty units there and in the fungus we’d be within range and likely be shelled)
• Moved AU’s B-4 to Climactic research
• Used the Maniac manoever (and a crawler, plus 10 ec’s) to rush a Mercury class transport at Gythium harbour
• Moved the Minas Tirith into GH to provide companionship for the Mercury
• Used the Maniac manoever (and a crawler, plus 18 ec’s) to rush a Missile noodle at Argos
• Crawler rushed at Fort Soup for 7 ec’s and at Tegea Harbour for 19 ec’s
• B-4 rushed at Rio Grande for 27 ec’s, and at SC2 and Craterwest for 9 ec’s each
• Moved the Disco Volante southwest, popped an IoD, so vamoosed due east
• Tomcat OA starts road on that sensor/farm tile it was on
• Tomcats VV & OAx E of OA commence roadbuilding on mine
• Tomcats MT & SCS: as their turn was exhausted, I put them to mine building on that tile they were on just to keep the crews out of mischief
• SC3’s Crypteia moved to GH to board the new Mercury
• Tomcat SCW moves to river tile and starts planting forest
• Ironholm worker reassigned to work the forest, and crawler sent to crawl in food
• TH’s crawler rehomed to FL, and sent to get food from forested tile

See later post for final save

[vishniac]

Originally posted by Snoddasmannen
Well I won't be able to play much tomorrow, I have a job interview for a position as Core Technology Developer at Opera Software Wish me luck everyone.