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August 7, 2004 - Googlie, Kassiopeia and Zeiter
[Sat Aug 07 21:34:15 PDT 2004].
Captain Kassi Hello.
> Hi there
Captain Kassi sir
> So I moved the rolling thunder rover 1 tile north then popped that pod -
and Zak was sitting outside in a trannie
Captain Kassi one north, got it
> then pop
Captain Kassi okay, now he's asking for Yang's commlink, what do I
say?
Captain Kassi give it to him?
> yes - for 20 ec's > now he'll ask for flex > that's where I've stalled
Captain Kassi I get the option of Flex for Planetary Networks. This is
because I selected Nonlinear Math at a pop-up in the beginning.
[Sat Aug 07 21:37:31 PDT 2004] Zeiter has no profile.
> ask for gene splicing in exchange and see what he does
Zeiter yeah, try that
Captain Kassi I can only ask for PlanNets.
> hey Zeiter
Zeiter hey
> but we have plan nets
Captain Kassi There was this prompt in the beginning when I loaded.
> aha
Captain Kassi I'll reload and pick PlanNets, I picked NonMath.
> right
Captain Kassi Hang on a second.
> OK
Zeiter Ah, yeah, that would change things
> isn't this great
Zeiter yeah, wer'er finally getitng to use this!
> boy - if we could get Gene Splicing
Captain Kassi I quit, I'll try again now.
> lift the nut restrictions
> OK
Zeiter yeah, then we'd be so close to syth fossil fuels
Captain Kassi Okay, I did it the right way around now. No dice, "I can
not trust you with that information".
> If Kass gets the trade I'lla sk him to go in and see if we could change
our research to ecol eng - see if that choice comes up
Zeiter well, at least he doesn't declare war on us
> aha at least we know we can probe that tech, anyway
Captain Kassi Yeah, he stays Ambivalent, even after I said "make a
trade or stop wasting my time"
> so I'll go ahead and ask for the trade then
Captain Kassi Well, I don't know, all I know is it didn't work here
> same response, so I'll do the "stop wasting my time" reply as well
Captain Kassi Should I ring up Yang and see if I could do something
fancy with him now that were here?
Zeiter Like what do you have in mind?
> Hang on - is Zak still live on your screen?
Captain Kassi Yeah, the "i believe we're finished" and stuff
Captain Kassi You get to make choices, that is.
Captain Kassi Want me to try to ask him again?
> can you make another proposal?
Zeiter yeah, sometimes that works,oddly enogh
> no - ask for lal's commlink
Zeiter ooh, yeah, good idea
Captain Kassi What do I offer in return?
> well, we have 60 ec's, or we could offer Mobility
Captain Kassi we could try both?
> maybe he'll ask for 25 ec's
Captain Kassi I'll offer EC first
Captain Kassi He'll sell it for 25
> naw - he'll say "and what do you offer in return
> and reply "maybe some ec's
> he'll name a number
Captain Kassi Yeah, did that, he wants 25
Zeiter we could afford it
Zeiter no switching to planned then, though
Captain Kassi Then agian, he will probably get Mobility sooner or later
> Question - do we buy it? - we now have 35 in the kitty - maybe we can
sell yang's to lal for 20 or 25, still change to planned nthis turn
> do it
Captain Kassi Buy for 25?
> yes
Captain Kassi And then ring up Lal?
Zeiter yeah, see what Lal does
Captain Kassi ok
> no - see if he'll trade anything for Mobility, or offer a treaty
Captain Kassi "Do we have any other business". Should I ask him for
something else? A tech trade?
> yes - what will he give for mobility
Captain Kassi What should I ask for?
Captain Kassi Oh right, yes, tech
> Meanwhile I'll go ahead and replicate this in the live turn
Captain Kassi Our sociopathic people can not, in Zak's opinion,
produce anything of value. Oh well.
Captain Kassi I'll ring up Lal and see what happens.
Captain Kassi Quarrelsome. Wants DocFlex, choice to get IndBase
in return
> LOL - I offered him a treaty and he wants Flex for it
Captain Kassi Oh, right, didn't offer a treaty meself
> OK - Zak's signed off - the rover popped a monolith, so now it's 100 %
healed
Captain Kassi So do I trade DocFlex for IndBase or just tell him to
shove it?
Zeiter Ind base is kind of out of the way for us right now, right?
> shove it, I'd say (it's not the official turn so there are no repercussions
> No
> wait
Captain Kassi IndBase is vital for IndAut is it not?
> accepot the trade
Captain Kassi ok
Captain Kassi err, wait
Captain Kassi I suggested that he give IndBase in return, right.
> yes - and then maybe we can further tarde - or even sign a pact - we
have to get to know where he is
Captain Kassi And he accepted. (!)
Captain Kassi Still Quarrelsome, I can talk more.
Captain Kassi Should I sell Yang's link?
> ask if he's interested in further trading under the same terms
> is he asking for it
Captain Kassi I don't get the option
Captain Kassi No he's not
Captain Kassi So, I got the three options, and there was no further
training yada yada
Captain Kassi Now I'm in the screen where you get to propose a deal
> I don't think Ind Base is worth Doc Flex, but it might have been if it had
led to other techs from lal
> ask for a pact
Captain Kassi We aren't treatied yet
Captain Kassi He didn't suggest it
> a treaty then
Captain Kassi I'll offer the treaty first
Captain Kassi And in return?
> and say "whatever your price is" when he asks what's in it for him
Captain Kassi cannot be bought etc.
> of course - the highly ethical lal
Captain Kassi he's quarrelsome and refuses a treaty, I don't see a
pact in the horizon
Zeiter Maybe try "goodwill and friendship"? lol
Captain Kassi He quit. Should i reload and try to sell him the
commlink to Yang?
> right - a tech is rthe same as a bribe, so that's out
> OK - worth a try
Zeiter do we want Yang to have their commlinks?
Captain Kassi What' was that talk about "whatever your price is" and
"goodwill and friendship" being the other way around?
Zeiter Because then the other human teams can get Zak's and Lal
commlink through Yang
> he'll get it from Zak, so we may as well try and get some ec's for it
Zeiter ah yes, he already has Zaks
> Yang will then be just missing gaia, else he'd call elections
Zeiter that would be interesting
Zeiter everyone would instantly meet everyone else
Zeiter do we want that?
> while we're here, I'll go ahead and move the 2 rovers on the southern
monolith 1 tile southwest then 1 east, as set out in the orders thread?
Captain Kassi Hmm
Zeiter Yep
Captain Kassi How did I offer an AI a commlink? Research data?
> I believe so
Zeiter yeah
Captain Kassi He wants PlanNet
> Unless Lal gets it the instant we give it to Zak (who is slave to whom
there?)
Captain Kassi For EC's that is
> We shoiuld do it - everyone else has it
Zeiter yes, I believe anything taht Lal gets, Zak would get
Captain Kassi Okay. Lal will buy it for 25 ec's.
> So - kass - what's the sequence and I'll follow it in the live game
Captain Kassi Where are you now?
Captain Kassi And what do you want to do exactly?
> I'm free of the commlinks - Zak just hung up
> So I call up lal
Captain Kassi I haven't tried the shove it approach to Lal yet, I should
do that if we don't want to do the tech trade
> shoot - I don't have lal's commlink - the version I'm using I've already
changed to Planned, so i only have 20 ec's in the kitty
> Never did buy lal's from Zak
Captain Kassi Agh
> Shoot. I wonder if that justifies a reload
Captain Kassi I'll try Shove It in any case to see if he vendettas us
Zeiter can you edit yourself to have 25+?
Captain Kassi Editing the actual game turn? Uhm
> No - I'm in the live turn, not a sim
Captain Kassi I don't think it really qualifies.
Zeiter I know, not the live turn
Zeiter the sim
Zeiter is that allowed?
Captain Kassi I'm not following you now
Captain Kassi Why would we need 25 in the sim?
Zeiter oh, wait, nevermind
Zeiter sorry
> Can I invoke the "reload for AI diplomacy" rule to justify reloading
Captain Kassi But you didn't do AI diplomacy, you did SE
> Oh, wait, I can change back out of planned and then see if Zak will
answewr his commlink
Captain Kassi What if he doesn't?
> naw - he's ignoring me
Captain Kassi Ehm.
Captain Kassi For the record, Lal didn't do vendetta with the shove it
approach
Zeiter We can try again next turn
Captain Kassi All in all all we would net from lal would be IndBase for
Mob, and 25 for PlanNets for the original privilege of calling him
Zeiter get Lal's commlink
Zeiter not really worth it anyway
> I was in Planned to see what the delivery times would be for colony
pods, rovers,e ct. I fully intended to get out and wait the results of
Zeiter's Poll
Captain Kassi Lal wouldn't have treatied either
Captain Kassi But why did you change to Planned in the game save,
not the sim?
> But Ind base and 25 ec's for Plan nets (which everyone has anyway)
seems like a good deal
Zeiter although wouldn't getting ind base slow down our research?
> 'cos I was playing the turn
> at least the non-contentious parts (up to the mnidturn save)
Zeiter the Zak contact was really unexpected
Captain Kassi I closed the tab which sprung up the chat window. Didn't
know it'd close this one too.
> then LOL - I do that occasionally too
Zeiter hey, do we need to keep a log of this chat?
> But at least as the site owner i can still see all the history
Captain Kassi I don't think a log is required by rules
Zeiter okay, that works
[Sat Aug 07 21:34:15 PDT 2004].
Captain Kassi Hello.
> Hi there
Captain Kassi sir
> So I moved the rolling thunder rover 1 tile north then popped that pod -
and Zak was sitting outside in a trannie
Captain Kassi one north, got it
> then pop
Captain Kassi okay, now he's asking for Yang's commlink, what do I
say?
Captain Kassi give it to him?
> yes - for 20 ec's > now he'll ask for flex > that's where I've stalled
Captain Kassi I get the option of Flex for Planetary Networks. This is
because I selected Nonlinear Math at a pop-up in the beginning.
[Sat Aug 07 21:37:31 PDT 2004] Zeiter has no profile.
> ask for gene splicing in exchange and see what he does
Zeiter yeah, try that
Captain Kassi I can only ask for PlanNets.
> hey Zeiter
Zeiter hey
> but we have plan nets
Captain Kassi There was this prompt in the beginning when I loaded.
> aha
Captain Kassi I'll reload and pick PlanNets, I picked NonMath.
> right
Captain Kassi Hang on a second.
> OK
Zeiter Ah, yeah, that would change things
> isn't this great
Zeiter yeah, wer'er finally getitng to use this!
> boy - if we could get Gene Splicing
Captain Kassi I quit, I'll try again now.
> lift the nut restrictions
> OK
Zeiter yeah, then we'd be so close to syth fossil fuels
Captain Kassi Okay, I did it the right way around now. No dice, "I can
not trust you with that information".
> If Kass gets the trade I'lla sk him to go in and see if we could change
our research to ecol eng - see if that choice comes up
Zeiter well, at least he doesn't declare war on us
> aha at least we know we can probe that tech, anyway
Captain Kassi Yeah, he stays Ambivalent, even after I said "make a
trade or stop wasting my time"
> so I'll go ahead and ask for the trade then
Captain Kassi Well, I don't know, all I know is it didn't work here
> same response, so I'll do the "stop wasting my time" reply as well
Captain Kassi Should I ring up Yang and see if I could do something
fancy with him now that were here?
Zeiter Like what do you have in mind?
> Hang on - is Zak still live on your screen?
Captain Kassi Yeah, the "i believe we're finished" and stuff
Captain Kassi You get to make choices, that is.
Captain Kassi Want me to try to ask him again?
> can you make another proposal?
Zeiter yeah, sometimes that works,oddly enogh
> no - ask for lal's commlink
Zeiter ooh, yeah, good idea
Captain Kassi What do I offer in return?
> well, we have 60 ec's, or we could offer Mobility
Captain Kassi we could try both?
> maybe he'll ask for 25 ec's
Captain Kassi I'll offer EC first
Captain Kassi He'll sell it for 25
> naw - he'll say "and what do you offer in return
> and reply "maybe some ec's
> he'll name a number
Captain Kassi Yeah, did that, he wants 25
Zeiter we could afford it
Zeiter no switching to planned then, though
Captain Kassi Then agian, he will probably get Mobility sooner or later
> Question - do we buy it? - we now have 35 in the kitty - maybe we can
sell yang's to lal for 20 or 25, still change to planned nthis turn
> do it
Captain Kassi Buy for 25?
> yes
Captain Kassi And then ring up Lal?
Zeiter yeah, see what Lal does
Captain Kassi ok
> no - see if he'll trade anything for Mobility, or offer a treaty
Captain Kassi "Do we have any other business". Should I ask him for
something else? A tech trade?
> yes - what will he give for mobility
Captain Kassi What should I ask for?
Captain Kassi Oh right, yes, tech
> Meanwhile I'll go ahead and replicate this in the live turn
Captain Kassi Our sociopathic people can not, in Zak's opinion,
produce anything of value. Oh well.
Captain Kassi I'll ring up Lal and see what happens.
Captain Kassi Quarrelsome. Wants DocFlex, choice to get IndBase
in return
> LOL - I offered him a treaty and he wants Flex for it
Captain Kassi Oh, right, didn't offer a treaty meself
> OK - Zak's signed off - the rover popped a monolith, so now it's 100 %
healed
Captain Kassi So do I trade DocFlex for IndBase or just tell him to
shove it?
Zeiter Ind base is kind of out of the way for us right now, right?
> shove it, I'd say (it's not the official turn so there are no repercussions
> No
> wait
Captain Kassi IndBase is vital for IndAut is it not?
> accepot the trade
Captain Kassi ok
Captain Kassi err, wait
Captain Kassi I suggested that he give IndBase in return, right.
> yes - and then maybe we can further tarde - or even sign a pact - we
have to get to know where he is
Captain Kassi And he accepted. (!)
Captain Kassi Still Quarrelsome, I can talk more.
Captain Kassi Should I sell Yang's link?
> ask if he's interested in further trading under the same terms
> is he asking for it
Captain Kassi I don't get the option
Captain Kassi No he's not
Captain Kassi So, I got the three options, and there was no further
training yada yada
Captain Kassi Now I'm in the screen where you get to propose a deal
> I don't think Ind Base is worth Doc Flex, but it might have been if it had
led to other techs from lal
> ask for a pact
Captain Kassi We aren't treatied yet
Captain Kassi He didn't suggest it
> a treaty then
Captain Kassi I'll offer the treaty first
Captain Kassi And in return?
> and say "whatever your price is" when he asks what's in it for him
Captain Kassi cannot be bought etc.
> of course - the highly ethical lal
Captain Kassi he's quarrelsome and refuses a treaty, I don't see a
pact in the horizon
Zeiter Maybe try "goodwill and friendship"? lol
Captain Kassi He quit. Should i reload and try to sell him the
commlink to Yang?
> right - a tech is rthe same as a bribe, so that's out
> OK - worth a try
Zeiter do we want Yang to have their commlinks?
Captain Kassi What' was that talk about "whatever your price is" and
"goodwill and friendship" being the other way around?
Zeiter Because then the other human teams can get Zak's and Lal
commlink through Yang
> he'll get it from Zak, so we may as well try and get some ec's for it
Zeiter ah yes, he already has Zaks
> Yang will then be just missing gaia, else he'd call elections
Zeiter that would be interesting
Zeiter everyone would instantly meet everyone else
Zeiter do we want that?
> while we're here, I'll go ahead and move the 2 rovers on the southern
monolith 1 tile southwest then 1 east, as set out in the orders thread?
Captain Kassi Hmm
Zeiter Yep
Captain Kassi How did I offer an AI a commlink? Research data?
> I believe so
Zeiter yeah
Captain Kassi He wants PlanNet
> Unless Lal gets it the instant we give it to Zak (who is slave to whom
there?)
Captain Kassi For EC's that is
> We shoiuld do it - everyone else has it
Zeiter yes, I believe anything taht Lal gets, Zak would get
Captain Kassi Okay. Lal will buy it for 25 ec's.
> So - kass - what's the sequence and I'll follow it in the live game
Captain Kassi Where are you now?
Captain Kassi And what do you want to do exactly?
> I'm free of the commlinks - Zak just hung up
> So I call up lal
Captain Kassi I haven't tried the shove it approach to Lal yet, I should
do that if we don't want to do the tech trade
> shoot - I don't have lal's commlink - the version I'm using I've already
changed to Planned, so i only have 20 ec's in the kitty
> Never did buy lal's from Zak
Captain Kassi Agh
> Shoot. I wonder if that justifies a reload
Captain Kassi I'll try Shove It in any case to see if he vendettas us
Zeiter can you edit yourself to have 25+?
Captain Kassi Editing the actual game turn? Uhm
> No - I'm in the live turn, not a sim
Captain Kassi I don't think it really qualifies.
Zeiter I know, not the live turn
Zeiter the sim
Zeiter is that allowed?
Captain Kassi I'm not following you now
Captain Kassi Why would we need 25 in the sim?
Zeiter oh, wait, nevermind
Zeiter sorry
> Can I invoke the "reload for AI diplomacy" rule to justify reloading
Captain Kassi But you didn't do AI diplomacy, you did SE
> Oh, wait, I can change back out of planned and then see if Zak will
answewr his commlink
Captain Kassi What if he doesn't?
> naw - he's ignoring me
Captain Kassi Ehm.
Captain Kassi For the record, Lal didn't do vendetta with the shove it
approach
Zeiter We can try again next turn
Captain Kassi All in all all we would net from lal would be IndBase for
Mob, and 25 for PlanNets for the original privilege of calling him
Zeiter get Lal's commlink
Zeiter not really worth it anyway
> I was in Planned to see what the delivery times would be for colony
pods, rovers,e ct. I fully intended to get out and wait the results of
Zeiter's Poll
Captain Kassi Lal wouldn't have treatied either
Captain Kassi But why did you change to Planned in the game save,
not the sim?
> But Ind base and 25 ec's for Plan nets (which everyone has anyway)
seems like a good deal
Zeiter although wouldn't getting ind base slow down our research?
> 'cos I was playing the turn
> at least the non-contentious parts (up to the mnidturn save)
Zeiter the Zak contact was really unexpected
Captain Kassi I closed the tab which sprung up the chat window. Didn't
know it'd close this one too.
> then LOL - I do that occasionally too
Zeiter hey, do we need to keep a log of this chat?
> But at least as the site owner i can still see all the history
Captain Kassi I don't think a log is required by rules
Zeiter okay, that works