Spartan Diplomacy II

[Mead]

Originally posted by Vander
Whatever "peace" is signed, it almost goes without saying that this will be anything but peaceful. Though benifical to have sparta off our backs for the looming war, our nation (and theirs) will be under the constant threat of that peace being broken. Not only will we expect a Spartan attack, but they of us as well.
Regardless, we will need to prepare for another war with sparta; one that is not so one- sided this time. Perhaps the Goliaths of Lal and Yang can be 'persuaded' to our 'business plan' (although that would leave us with even bigger goliaths...).
Anyway, I just wanted to make sure we are clear on how peaceful the forthcoming peace (God willing) will be.

The only chance, remote as it is, is if DA, and us go all out in a PACT.

I'm not sure they are willing. Even if they did I'm not sure it would work.


Mead

[AndiD]

I'm not sure about this - it could be false propaganda from them but peace talks with Sparta hosted by Geo and Sparta attacking Gaia first could buy us some time.

I wonder whether we should act immediately asking Geo - maybe even publicly to put some pressure on the Junta - to host these talks or wait one or two more turns for Sparta to start the peace talks so that it doesn't look like we are desperately seeking peace out of inferiority.

[AndiD]

quote:
Originally posted by GeoModder
The Data Angels urge every warring faction to try to come closer together instead of continuing shouting towards each other from their respective towers of Rightness.

quote:
Originally posted by AndiD
The Corporation would greatly appreciate, support and contribute to any initiative from the Data Angels in this direction.

quote:
Originally posted my Maniac
I applaud these wise words! Let us bring peace on Chiron! Unfortunately the Gaians seem to disagree with this.

I'd like to play their game, play nice, see what they are up to and start peace talks. Not that I would hope for overwhelming results but at least we show interest and TALK to each other than unprofitably wasting resources in silence.

Mead, which IM are you using? ICQ? MSN? AOL? Perhaps we should meet sometime this day - I'm available until 22 GMT. Everyone else is invited to join, of course but I'm not sure whether there is anyone else...

Edit: They must have a reason not to blow us into ashes - I wonder what it is...

[Mead]

Originally posted by AndiD


I'd like to play their game, play nice, see what they are up to and start peace talks. Not that I would hope for overwhelming results but at least we show interest and TALK to each other than unprofitably wasting resources in silence.

Mead, which IM are you using? ICQ? MSN? AOL? Perhaps we should meet sometime this day - I'm available until 22 GMT. Everyone else is invited to join, of course but I'm not sure whether there is anyone else...

Edit: They must have a reason not to blow us into ashes - I wonder what it is...

Sorry, I'm not using IM.

Perhaps Sparta just wanjts to keep the survivng factions from uniting against it.

That is the only thing that could disrupt their conquest.


Mead

[AndiD]

What makes you so sure about that?

[jtsisyoda]

Received this PM from Kass:

ACDG diplomatic matter

Mead and arginine have been sent this same message.

I have been reinstated as the Spartan head of diplomacy, and desire to reopen our dialogue on a possible solution to the current conflict. Please respond in our old mutual embassy, the link has been supplied below, and your team has been provided the password earlier.

http://www.aimoo.com/forum/password...d.cfm?id=618392

With best regards,
Kassiopeia

[AndiD]

The link is broken. Otherwise, excellent

So:
- Do we want to talk? (I'd say yes)

- Who'd do the main part of talking? Mead? jtsisyoda? arginine? Anyone else?

- What would be the "frame" inside we would discuss and negotiate?

- What do we have to offer?

- What do we accept?

- What else? (I'm not really experienced in SMAX diplomacy about peace and war so it may well be I'm missing something here...)

And BTW - doesn't this sound like something for a newspaper? "Embassy reopened"?

[arginine]

Mead is the primary diplomat, I can talk, but I lack the coniving of Mead.

As long as Sparta is strong, we will not be able to win. The idea of a Spartan - Morgan alliance was floated on our side and the spartan side (presumably). Neither side enthusiastically endorsed the posibility (of course the fact a solid agreement wasn't hammered out had something to do with it.) I believe Mead said it best in an earlier post about the Spartan trying to get peace to disrupt the other humans from uniting. I would be concerned about the DAs, but maybe the gaians can keep them out of the Spartan camp. A treaty still gives commerce

I would prefer not to go to war with the Hive, since I would GREATLY prefer gaian, Yang's going to be cranking out planes soon, or even angel probe teams steal airpower for us...

Maybe we could get the gaians to bribe for peace with Yang after some techstealing. Now that the Spartans are the second strongest faction, I hope the number 1 vs number 2 routines will kick in. It would be ideal for the gaians, hive and morganites @ war with the Spartans, all with missles and planes .

Quite frankly, I am not willing to put real effort into this game, when I could get better results from RL. Newspapers are nice and quick, but real good play uses lots of brainpower & time. The next ACDG would require less of that per person.

[AndiD]

War with the Hive is unavoidable I fear - but still, they should throw their latest troops at Sparta, not us.

Gaia obviously wouldn't be willing to do the techsteal because they simply can't stand a Hive mass invasion given their current defenses, industry output and cash situation. And Angels... they refuse to take any side, they even didn't vote for Governor position. I highly doubt they would start moving anytime soon... they are aiming for last faction standing I guess...

Peace initiatives from Gaia to Hive sound good - but I wonder whether they can talk to him let alone he actually would listen, given their social settings.

Mead, you still around? Your input?

I personally could see us talking just so we can catch our breath for a few turns and get those defenses ready - and then think about offensive actions. Otherwise, attrition warfare isn't that bad but there is no real future vision or goal to reach other to keep building red units at infinitum and wait for the "big bang" out of nowhere.

We can't really change out of our social settings, that's the bad news. Kill FM and you get drones due to less psych, same goes for Dem and to a lesser extent Wealth but there is no attractive option other than Wealth. (And we already invest 30% into psych due to losing the PTS).

I have never gone to war with Morgan and especially not under FM so I might be a bad choice for a turnplayer in times of offensive action who gets no input.

And please, someone post the entire link to the embassy, without ... in between - and the password.

I guess I wasn't actively around here during the time where it was published. I did a quick search but didn't find andything

[Mead]

Originally posted by AndiD
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Mead, you still around? Your input?

Yes, I'm still lingering.

I'll try to see what they want. I'm not too hopeful.

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And please, someone post the entire link to the embassy, without ... in between - and the password.

I guess I wasn't actively around here during the time where it was published. I did a quick search but didn't find andything

I'll see if I can find it an will post it here.

EDIT ADD:

http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=618392&CategoryID=378997&ThreadID=2008605&tolast=yes#bottom

Above is the link. The password is: sunburst

Mead

[Mead]

Exchange between Kass and Myself

Reply to : Kassiopeia

After a few Mission Years of leave, I am again at the disposal of the Spartan Junta. I wish to reopen our diplomatic connections. I have not given up on reaching a peaceful solution to this conflict, but the re-establishment of a channel of communication is essential for this. I suggest we keep to using this embassy facility. I have notified a few Morganite team members to attain a quick response.

Hello Kass,


I'd like to be pleasant but having suffered so badly at the hands of the Junta I wonder why we should reenter discussions.

Has anything changed that should make you wish peaceful relations?
I would be interested in peaceful relations free of attacks and threats. How would we be assured that you would not attack us, unlaterally change there terms of the peace or agreements we have with you?

Normally, I would like peace but our past experience of 'peaceful' relations with Sparta have not been pleasant.

How could we be assured that future dealings will not be the same?



Mead

It is direct but I see little use in carrying on discussions if they give us no assurances.



Mead

[paramir]

a couple of long posts in the embasy, please read

[AndiD]

Summary: Googlie has taken over from Kass and he is pursuing the same global peace initiative as Kass was. The DA shall host and Sparta, Gaia and we shall talk.

Sidenote: They claim to have fought the Hive to a truce so that's why we are at war with Yang now.

I still like the idea of talking and maybe a cease-fire for a few turns so that we can focus on Yang (and our tech). I still don't know why they would want something towards peace. (By talking, we could find out...)

Mead (and all the others), what do you think?
If time-constraints (or interest-constraints, just be honest) are the problem, I would be willing to promote myself to ambassador for the peace-talks.

Just thinking:
It might have to do with victory conditions - they are stuck at their tech, Yang keeps advancing and by conquering us or Gaia they get lots of small bases and lots of drones but not more population than Yang. I have never played the all-out-conqueror so I dunno whether this makes sense or not.

[Mead]

Originally posted by AndiD
Summary: Googlie has taken over from Kass and he is pursuing the same global peace initiative as Kass was. The DA shall host and Sparta, Gaia and we shall talk.

Sidenote: They claim to have fought the Hive to a truce so that's why we are at war with Yang now.

I still like the idea of talking and maybe a cease-fire for a few turns so that we can focus on Yang (and our tech). I still don't know why they would want something towards peace. (By talking, we could find out...)

Mead (and all the others), what do you think?
If time-constraints (or interest-constraints, just be honest) are the problem, I would be willing to promote myself to ambassador for the peace-talks.

I have no problem with that.

Just thinking:
It might have to do with victory conditions - they are stuck at their tech, Yang keeps advancing and by conquering us or Gaia they get lots of small bases and lots of drones but not more population than Yang. I have never played the all-out-conqueror so I dunno whether this makes sense or not.

I played all out conquer in SP a few times. You can easily win by conquering everyone.

The problem is that is takes a lot of time and becomes tedious.

They don't need our help to win.


Mead

[AndiD]

Then it would be truly intriguing to know whether their "fuss" is only about weakening the Morgan/Gaia alliance - they don't give the appearance they might need this, especially since they don't need to think about Yang anymore.

Keep us busy with noodles, totally crush Gaia and then turn towards us. What's the problem, Sparta?