2122 is here, we get contact with Yang.

[Whoha]

Gave into all of his demands, and tried to gift him the rest of our tech, but hes got all of our techs after the two I gave him so he cancelled communications. No treaty. His Veteran Synthmetal Sentinel stands on our side of the land mass on the fungus.

furthermore the former at Morgan Vulcanology survived the fight with just 20% damage.

Yang is informal truce with us, belligerent(after giving two techs to him), and erratic mood. He is running police state-planned for SE choices. He has 17 council votes(we have 4).

No matter how we set the SE it will take 2 turns to get Ind-Auto.

[Chaunk]

Well with that in mind, I'll crack open the turn and reload till I think I've got diplomacy with Yang cracked. My goals would be a treaty or even better, a pact, withdrawal of his unit (Unlikley I know...) and all his tech. Plus any commlinks he has already.

[Chaunk]

Hmm... it seems that the Good Chairman is not feeling very happy today! He has 17(!) pop to our 4, and won't do anything but decalre vendetta unless we give into to his demands for IndEcon and InfNetworks. Since he's in planned, it seems likely someone already gave him planetary networks. Coincidentally, he's also met the Angels.

He declares vendetta on us immediatly if we refuse to talk to him. He declares vendetta if we don't give him 2 techs.

Yang has no contact with any other factions but ourselves and the angels. He won't sell us their commlink for love nor money.

I think at this point that war is completely unavoidable with Yang, but may be postponable for a while. I suggest we give into his demands and don't contact him for a while... avoid him at all costs! Giving into his demands is a lot to give, but OTOH, the other players won't have anything to give him to stop him declaring vendetta.

[Impaler[WrG]]

I guess we have too, Boy the Mods shure made him MEAN and STRONG. Atleast he will act as a good buffer against other players for a long time. I think we should begin depating the use of a Police State goverment as a means of avoiding war, I prefer Democracy but if its going to get us into a war (practical guarantee with him this nasty already) then PoliceState would alow us to keep in a more build oriented stance untill such point as we are less threatened. For the meantime I think we should continue pushing towards HGP and PTS and do as Chaunk sugjests, keep Yang Happy by avoiding him completly I wouldnt even infiltrate him just yet. We still need to see that we have a base further south we cant let him encroach on us we need space for our City Sprawling.

[Whoha]

What about probing away that synthmetal sentinel, I bet it will do a good job gaurding the choke point. Plus its going to wander through our territory if we don't.

[Whoha]

Also lets go ahead and infiltrate him. Impaler, He will likely demand IA from us, lets not spring board it to the angels, so war will probably be in 2 or 3 turns unless we do want to give Yang(and the angels) IA.

[jtsisyoda]

What techs would we have to give up?

I'll be out for a while, but available in 8-12 hours.

[Chaunk]

The ai generally ignores you for around 15-20 turns after making some serious demands, so I don't think Yang will call up for IndAuto. If he does, then yes, we have a war then, but lets wait till then.

Probing away the synth sentinel means certain war. If we think we should do that, we shouldn't give into any of his demands. Be aware though that the ai is VERY reluctant to give up on a war, especially when it percieves itself to be strong as the Hive will here.

PTS has suddenly jumped up a notch for me in importance stakes, as now the increase in pop gives us a massive increase in reletive strength. That'll make Yang and the other ai more intimidated and less likely to make war if we don't give into their demands.

We'd have to give up IndEcon and InfNet to avoid war.

[Whoha]

ok then if we can expect to not get a call for IA then lets get the truce.

[Vander]

But we still need to prepare for Yang demanding IA next turn...

[arginine]

I wonder if Yang even has lasers by now.

The garrison unit we've seen is a veteran. Therefore, it is not brand new.

Infonets and lasers are needed to reach the impactor. Until Yang gets impactor, we can defend at the checkpoint, unless many units attack at once. Giving him infonets will get him to impactor faster. THAT worries me.

Once he gets Ind Ec from us, Yang is ONE tech away from IA. Yang might become a big builder of secret projects. In a few games I have seen him use crawlers to rush his projects.

Our technologies will be safe out of human hands for a while, as tech stealing will result in war with Yang.

The Spartans will have doctrine: mobility to give Yang and applied physics (whether they do is another story). Would the gaians also be beeling to IA? If they are not, they will still have techs to give Yang, regardless of our contributions.

Are the Angels really running planned now? Their commlink shows that the are running simple.

As for peacefully getting rid of Yang's unit, we merely leave out scout where it is, and move the def team SW of the base. The only square free of the zone of control will be to the south.

[Whoha]

If it was the prototype for SynthMetal, and it stepped onto a monolith, or if it was just a pre placed unit then it may have never seen a fight before.

[jtsisyoda]

I imagine all the other human factions are concentrating on the Plan Nets side of IA first. Here are some things to take into consideration...

If they find out the Hive has Ind Econ, a) they'll be able to trade for it or take it, b) they'll know we gave it to him (his research isn't good enough to outpace them on his own), and c) they'll know we're afraid of Yang.

[Chaunk]

We already know that Yang has Planetary Networks but not InfNetworks. He must have been given that by the angels. If they're scared of him, then such is life! Tis no great loss to them, and it doesn't really tell us much, other than that they're not investing greatly in military.

If we don't give Yang the tech, we get into a war. We can't support units for a war yet, and will surely lose. Not an option then in my mind. We have to give him both techs

Edit: I didn't make this clear in this thread before sorry, so I will now... I cannot play the official turn this time anymore. If I did, there'd be perhaps 20 reload warnings

[Mead]

Originally posted by Chaunk


If we don't give Yang the tech, we get into a war. We can't support units for a war yet, and will surely lose. Not an option in my mind. We have to give him both techs

Agreed.



I cannot load the save files right now so I cannot do a turn, nor see everything that is happening.

We need to try to get a few probes through the
Hive to infiltrate it and to infiltrate/meet the other factions.


Mead