2112 end turn + 2113 discussion

[Chaunk]

A former can defend a base just as well as a scout can, almost always successfully before 2150.

[Mead]

Originally posted by Chaunk
Turn posted as soon as I finish this post

I think cashing in the northern scout is close to essential. With our lower support we simply can't afford to have a non police duty scout draining one min per turn. Currently thats not an issue but when we get a former it will be if we want to carry on expanding. Hopefully we'll pop a unity rover or something and can carry on exploring but it's not a big issue.

I agree that we should cash in the scout.

Although I too would like to explore the western portion of our continent, I realize that it is more important to funnel our precious minerals towards production.

We should explore to the west after we get more minerals to to it with.

Mead

[arginine]

A regular scout on FM and wealth has dificulty against mind worms. A former will be wimpier. I could see a suicide scout and then a former against the damaged mind worm.

I think we should be sort of prepared have a probe team with the scout when looking for Yang. When we meet him, I'd expect war. When at war, we can probe, and his map would definately be nice :>

[Chaunk]

Hmmm. The thing is, under FM it's rare to be able to do any attacking against worms. The only worthwhile route is to defend. Since both formers and scouts defend with more or less the same ability against worms (The scout may have a slight edge with a morale upgrade) Formers can be used as a defence against worms. Sure, it's not ideal, and it'd really suck to lose a former to some worms, but in the first 50 turns, worms attack bases at around half strength. The odds are in the favour of the former.

Agree with probe to Yang, good idea Perhaps we should try to rush one in our 5th or 6th base (With the 10 free mins?)

[Mead]

Originally posted by Chaunk
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Agree with probe to Yang, good idea Perhaps we should try to rush one in our 5th or 6th base (With the 10 free mins?)

Infiltrating Yang and probing him for all the Tech (plus map) he has is worth considering.


Mead

[#endgame]

The CTO recommends that once the first former rolls out, road 2 squares directly north from Morgan Metallurgy, dump a forest and plant a base, working the rolling/rainy/volcano tile.

--CTO #endgame

[Micha]

Originally posted by Mead
Infiltrating Yang and probing him for all the Tech (plus map) he has is worth considering.
Mead

Hm...
While tech is always good to have, the effects on tech cost are quite high. Of course I see the need for a modern military once we´re at war with the Hive, but it will considerably slow down our own research...

But then I think you´re right with the assumption we´ll go to war against Yang anyway...

[Archaic]

I disagree with the idea of probing Yang, beyond an infiltration of his datalinks. There is nothing to gain in pissing him off before we are ready to confront him.

The tile 2 north+1 north west of Morg. Ind. looks like a nice base spot to me. Not on the river, but really, we don't want to put a base smack on that area and crowd it out. It would be childs play to situate, say, 3 bases in that general area, and have them all work natural 2-1-2 tiles (2-3-2 in the case of the Min special). We could then use those 10 mins for something other than a former build, say, to jump start our first crawlers with 10 minerals already having been put towards production.

[TheLoneAmigo]

He'll already be pissed off... we are running a democracy, right? And free market. His two least favorite things. So why not probe him?

It really depends on his power. If he is too powerful to piss off, we don't probe him, if he ain't, we probe his sorry bases until they give us their secrets.

[jtsisyoda]

We aren't running Democracy yet, and probably won't for a while. The support hit and the loss of free minerals should be delayed until efficiency becomes more critical.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Yang only hates Democracy, he has no opinions on Economics at all, he will not be offended by FM (why dose everyone think Yang is a Comunist?). Even under Democracy confilict with him will not be inevitable if we play our cards right *winks at Archaic* so we should not form a conflict centric view of Yang, he is infact a valuable tool, he shields us from the other human factions, can provide us with comlinks and comerce too. Yang will also tell us when or if Sparta has desided to attack him, we can then either cut some deal with the spartans to carve him up or support Yang against sparta, (like give him Plasma Steel or something). If Sparta can be goded into an unwinnable war then they will have basicaly lost the game vs our Economic power.

I reiterate our need to explore southward and found bases southward as well, even thoguh the land to the north may seem more promising at the moment we cant run the risk of having a THIRD to a HALF of our avalible land consumed by Hive expantions. I think we need to have bases in the 32 or 33 Latitude within the next 20 turns. It will only take 1 base to do it, a single base on the end of a long southrunning road would be sufficient, we could then fill in the surrounding territory later once the best build sites in the north are used up.

[Micha]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Even under Democracy confilict with him will not be inevitable if we play our cards right *winks at Archaic* so we should not form a conflict centric view of Yang, he is infact a valuable tool, he shields us from the other human factions, can provide us with comlinks and comerce too. Yang will also tell us when or if Sparta has desided to attack him, we can then either cut some deal with the spartans to carve him up or support Yang against sparta, (like give him Plasma Steel or something).

I see your point and I support it (though I don´t like the idea of giving military tech to Yang ). I´m currently reading the Spartan Chronicles, where Yang and Morgan are allies. This is a very powerful alliance, although I don´t trust Yang enough to share such sensitive research data...

I reiterate our need to explore southward and found bases southward as well, even thoguh the land to the north may seem more promising at the moment we cant run the risk of having a THIRD to a HALF of our avalible land consumed by Hive expantions. I think we need to have bases in the 32 or 33 Latitude within the next 20 turns. It will only take 1 base to do it, a single base on the end of a long southrunning road would be sufficient, we could then fill in the surrounding territory later once the best build sites in the north are used up.

I wholeheartedly agree with Impaler. Let´s grab what´s most likely to be claimed by others soon!

[Drogue]

Originally posted by AndiD
(Does anyone know what pod results have been disabled by the Creator?)

None, IIRC.

WRT the scout, if you keep it, will you pop enough goodies to pay for it? A 75 ec pod is not unlikely, and would pay for quite a few turns of extra minerals.