Enigma

[Chaunk]

As enigma has been found cheating in other games, and according to Kody, wanted to cheat in this game, I will not be playing any more turns, or making any more posts etc. whilst he is still in the Angels.

I will of course come back if he is expelled from the angels faction, but only if.

CEO Chaunk.

[Drogue]

Chaunk: Please inform me what you have heard from Kody? I am annoyed he has been saying things while the CMNs are deciding what to do, but needless to say, a protest by people for removing him will not alter any decision I make. That decision will be based on the facts. And there is no evidence that he has cheated in the DG.

If Enigma has cheated in this game, he will be dealt with. If he has not, then he will not be. Ad hominems, because he has done it in another game, are not enough reason to remove him from this game.

Please do not broadcast this, especially when all you have heard is hearsay, and you are not aware of all the facts.

[#endgame]

I see the point of the protest Chaunk, but I can't agree with it completely.

The last thing we need is our leader walking out on us.

Members of the board, how do we proceed? Do we join Chaunk in protest, which risks forfiture under the 48 hour rule or continue playing?

Who will be our turnplayer?

I do not have the capacity to fill this role and nominate AndiD for his active role in managing the company's communications shows his commitment to the company.

Kody said that E_N wanted to cheat and then the Angels accidentaly broke a rule? We need to be careful with how we deal with them.

I believe that Chaunk's walkout in protest will only bring about negative effects for the company.

I vote that we continue playing and recommend that Chaunk returns, or cast my vote for AndiD in the interim.

[Drogue]

Kody posting parts of that message is absolutely abhorrent. He has posted things from private forums that are to remain there. As Kody has posted in the CMN forum, there is no evidence that Enigma has cheating in ACDGIII. WHat he does in other PBEMs is the business of those PBEMs. If someone has evidence of cheating in this DG, please tell me, and I will expel him. However at this stage, there isn't.

There has however been a breach of the private forums by Kody. Therefore all this information is privy, and must be kept quiet. I will not have a witch hunt because people believe, through hearsay, ad hominems and without evidence, that Enigma has cheated. I am (obviously) investigating.

Originally posted by #endgame
Kody said that E_N wanted to cheat and then the Angels accidentaly broke a rule? We need to be careful with how we deal with them.

The Angels accidentally broke a rule. I would also like to point out that it was not Enigma who broke it. While this is private information, the amount of people, including members of the CMN group, who presumed it was is staggering. It was an accident, and it wasn't Enigma.

[#endgame]

Drogue, it was not an accusation, it was an observation based on Chaunk not seeming like someone who would deliberately post misinformation. Point taken. (Returns to T-Forming plans with simple right answers and ways to proceed)

I propose therefore that we make AndiD the turn player as stated above, and hope that Chaunk returns to the company at some point in the future.

[-SafaN-]

Chaunk, I think quitting is not the answer. We need U

About this:

As Kody has posted in the CMN forum, there is no evidence that Enigma has cheating in ACDGIII. WHat he does in other PBEMs is the business of those PBEMs. If someone has evidence of cheating in this DG, please tell me, and I will expel him. However at this stage, there isn't.

I'm a believer in the once a cheater always a cheater theme. I was a regular CS player some years ago, and also have played warcraft 3 Both games which are awfully demolisched by cheaters. In this game the cheating is not by altering the game but just by use of the possibilities: u CAN read the conversations ingame in all save games and several other things. See the list of forbidden things to know what u CAN do. If we can't trust enigma to not do those things we can't allow him to meddle in the game.

We should let the admins decide, but if its proven he cheats in a PBEM, then they have to follow him very closely. I would also say removal, but then he will just make an other nickname, although is character will betray him

JMHO
SafaN

[Drogue]

I know it's not an accusation, it just seemed that it was beomcing presumed as true, and I felt the need to right this. Chaunk did not post misinformation. He got information from Kody, that Enigma has cheated in other games. I am unaware of him wanting to cheat in this game, but I will admit it's quite possible. Enigma has cheated before and has not shown remorse or a desire to stop. But we do not have a pre-crime unit here. We are watching closely, and are partway going through his turns, to check for any anomolies. If he has cheated, he will be banned. But we cannot ban him for cheating when we don't know if he has.

As soon as the investigation is complete, we will post to say the outcome.

I hope Chaunk can stay until we know whether or not he has. I expect it to the sorted in less than 48 hours, possibly sooner.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by -SafaN-
We should let the admins decide, but if its proven he cheats in a PBEM, then they have to follow him very closely. I would also say removal, but then he will just make an other nickname, although is character will betray him

Double Logins are banned, so removing him from the game will mean removal. Heis being follower very closely, and has been since the start, when i first knew of any possibility of him cheating in other PBEMs.

On option, if we think he might, be can't show it, is to ask the Angels to make it that he cannot play the turn. That reduces a lot the cheating he can do. However if he has cheated, he will be removed.

I do accept the idea that since he's cheated before, he may well do here, and I also believe he quite possibly has done. I am prepared to kick him out if he has cheated. However I was upset that things in the Angels private forums were posted in a public forum. This is a CMN decision, and we will take it, based on the findings of our investigation. I understand Chaunks problem, I know from the last DG that he is a very moral player, and I admire his conscience to do what he believes is right. I suspect he will be back soon, but this needs to be cleared up thoughrally.

[Kody]

Kody posting parts of that message is absolutely abhorrent.

That was my own investigation you saw, not the ACDG's investigation. Note that what I've posted is very relevant to that particular PBEM far more so than the ACDG.

The fact I have copied my files into the CMNs forum for the ACDG, does not mean I think this is centered around the ACDG.

[Drogue]

I agree, and I am sorry if I seemed a bit harsh. I support everything you've done with regards to the other PBEMs, and I know that is where the main problem is. The problem I had was that you posted things that you could only know from reading the Angels private forum, and those things must be kept out of public forums. Everything else is your decisions, and I support what you've done.

[jtsisyoda]

Chaunk, I would ask you to reconsider. It sounds like Drogue is making an effort to find the truth and keep an eye on Enigma. If there is evidence Enigma cheated, he's the one who should leave, not you! Please allow the investigation to run its course.

[AndiD]

CwJ.

We just became a strong team, we shouldn't waste that just because of accusations and instead continue discussing *turns* together.

Honestly, I believe Enigma in saying that while he cheated on his PBEMs, he didn't cheat in the ACDG. Apart from that, a rule that he wouldn't be an allowed turnplayer makes sense in my opinion, just as a harsh punishment.

[Chaunk]

I am currently reconsidering, but at the moment, I see nothing to make me change my stance. It will be a shame if I feel I cannot continue, but such is life.

My sincere apologies for leaving you all in the lurch...

[Whoha]

Hmm, ok you are protesting the fact that enigma is playing.

That took me a while to figure it out.

[Archaic]

In our faction analysis of the Angels, didn't Tass reveal something unethical Enigma had planned to try and take control of the ACDG3? Wouldn't that come under the heading of evidence of intent?