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**Illuminatus** · February 6, 2005, 07:15

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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject: Infiltration data on Hive

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Labor Network 33,47
Society Grid 37,49
Society of Proper Thought 47,49

These three bases are the closest coastal bases for you. We use the last one for our probes. If you go for SPT, you'll need to go around a dozen tile sited peninsula and go through at least one tile of xenofungus. On the other hand (if I may suggest), to reach Society grid you need 12 movement points and you don't have to breach any fungus. If you prefer to concentrate on extraction of technologies from Yang, you could skip infiltrating him and simply ask us for information you need on him, since we already infiltrated him - just a friendly suggestion.
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**Illuminatus** · February 6, 2005, 07:16

Yang problem 2156

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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:02 am Post subject: Yang problem 2156

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RPS Base, MY 2156

Currently we would prefer not to enter vendetta with Yang. This is what we concluded after the discussion within our forum. We are not completely prepared for war at this moment, and really do have quite energy constraints. Is there any other way we might support you about this problem?

About the issue of Yang's coastal bases. Yes, if you could provide us with information regarding their location and possible probe teams presence we would be grateful.

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**Illuminatus** · February 6, 2005, 07:18

Dimensional rift accident

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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:47 am Post subject: Dimensional rift accident

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RPS base, MY 2155

To Gaian Union,

We feel that the following message is required to be transmitted to Gaian Union.

When investigating the possible landing site of one of the starship "Unity" supply pods deep in the fungus field, the survey team discovered some mysterious object instead of the unity pod. When approached, it reacted violently creating some dimentional rift in space. The team appeared lost in it, but several minutes later we received its transmission from a region far east, which we believe is within the borders of the Gaian Union.

We appologise for any inconvenience this accident may create, but it was beyond our ability to avoid it.

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Thank you for information, we will contact you in few days when we decide what to do. Could you please give us grid coordinates if possible to determine where you landed?
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Our unit is in the sector 47,79.
We assume this location is within Gaian Union territory?

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According to map coordinates you specified you really don't have luck with Unity pods. Yes, your unit is in the southeastern part of our teritory, and also in the greatest concentration of fungus in our teritory, and probably even on whole planet.
I am not sure how other players will react, but we should probably seek a way to solve this problem. We are not currently capable of transporting our unit back to you and I presume you aren't either. Furthermore, considering the place your unit ended up it is likely to be destroyed if it tries to move.
I suggest you give us details about unit type so we can examine possibilities regarding this unfortunate problem.
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It is a spore launcher

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Although Council does not yer have a solution, I have been told to inform you that you do not move the spore launcher in any case.
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Angels, might we ask you what would you require in return for transfering control of spore launcher to us? We need a patrol unit in the east area, and spore launcher would be perfect for this duty. Furthermore, we wouldn't have to produce a new scout unit and we could instead produce an additional probe team. OTOH, the spore launcher is currently only draining mineral resources. What would you require for the unit?

**Illuminatus** · February 6, 2005, 07:26

Research treaty

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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:19 pm Post subject: Research treaty

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I propose this thread for research cooperation accepted via treaty of Rock-Paper-Scissors.

I am preparing data on our technologies for posting. I suggest the Angels do the same.
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May we ask to edit the first line of your post?

And please do not post any info yet. I need to hear one voice yet for remarks within the DataJacks.

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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject:

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As you wish, I thought Angels have accepted the treaty?
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:26 pm Post subject:

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A majority has, but to be sure there is a full concensus... And the first line still needs to be edited a little.

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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:29 pm Post subject:

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As you wish. We shall post our info when Angels have officialy accepted the treaty, and posted their info.

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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:30 pm Post subject:

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Thank you (for the edit).

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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject:

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We await our respected Angel friends.

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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:02 pm Post subject:

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Members of the Gaian Council,

The Research Treaty is accepted by the DataJacks.

A list of research information will be composed shortly and posted after approval.

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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:31 pm Post subject:

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Noted. We must remind you that our turn is nearing, and that High Council is eager to hear as part of what beeline should we research Doctrine Mobility as our next technology.

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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:15 pm Post subject:

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I would just want to ask what is taking our Angel friends so long, for transfer of research information. That certainly should not take so long, or at least I thought so.
We await you.

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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:24 pm Post subject:

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I am truly sorry, honored ambassador.

I have the RL virus at the moment and am truly unable to put too much attention to these sort of issues.

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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:39 pm Post subject:

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But you still can spam? Just joking. Can't you Angels have somebody to replace you? Anyway, we would like to sort this out before out turn arrives. I hope you understand us, and we are sorry if we are being too pushy.

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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:56 pm Post subject:

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Nothing stops the Gaians for posting their part of the Treaty already...

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 9:34 am Post subject:

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GeoModder wrote:
Nothing stops the Gaians for posting their part of the Treaty already...

Actually Angel uncooperation stop us from posting our part of the Treaty. Angels seem to be ignoring the treaty. You certainly had your time to post the data and I am not sure what is taking you so long? I must inform you that High Council is worried for your sudden lack of cooperation, and will not allow publishing of our data until you do the same. Please, is spirit of cooperation, start working with us again.

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject:

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Would Lord Illuminatus be so kind to acknowledge the asked information? (meaning, ACCEPTING received PM's so the other party knows those are readed?

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As Ambassador to the Angels, freshly back from a communing with nature, I have been asked to inform you, that, per our agreement, the Gaian people are directing our research towards discovery of mobility technology. I am also to ask you when you are going to make your next breakthrough? Finally, I am to make an inquistion regarding your goverment. Did you, at one point, have a planned economy? A swift answer would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject:

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Also note that although we are on track to discover Doctrine: Mobility in 11 years, due to factional growth, we are more likely to finish in no more than 10 years.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:48 am Post subject:

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Members of the High Council,

Our thanks for following our advice. We look forward already to the year this technology will reach it's breakthrough.

As on topic of our breakthrough, it was planned for next year, but due to a civilian setback it will be delayed. We are in the middle of discussing how to solve this problem and will come back with an answer later.

As for our past social choices... may I ask why this information is of the utmost interest to the High Council?

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:23 am Post subject:

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I am sorry for any misconceptions I may have fostered.... The intrest was mainly in your tech progress, in that we wished to see the magnificent progress of our allies. The social choice question was more of a personal question, in wondering if it was that which would explain your slight lack of numbers of technologies, or if there was some other catastrophe which we might be of assistence in combating.
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject:

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Lord Aran,

I must say your explanations are even more confusing then your questions. First you trompet about our 'magnificent progress', and in the next sentence about our 'slight lack of technologies'.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:33 pm Post subject:

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No, I wasn't aware of that....

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:

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Your Lordship,

The High Coucils' help in acquiring a transport vessel would be greatly appreciated, but that trade was out of the question as other Lordships already made clear.

And I wonder how that good Lord you mentioned was able to calculate a supposed technology progress without knowledge of the energy income of the Angels.

We, for instance, if we wish so, could retrieve the factional settings of whatever team for whatever year. Clearly the Gaians can do the same when contacting a presumed Lord of Historical Keeping?

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:45 pm Post subject:

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It seems our ambassador is a little disoriented from Ivan. Also it seems that he's been rather lax in reading GAIA reports and diplomacy reports lately. I hope we can get over this confusion.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:47 pm Post subject:

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My Lordships,

I sincerely hope I haven't offended or alienated the Lord Ambassador for the remainder of our time on Planet. It was not my intention to be sarcastic or such.

In other news, let it be noted that the Angel research will finish as planned next year, regardless of earlier mentioned civic problems.
Our next research is Adaptive Economics, if available as a choice. More updates I can only give when they are known to me.

I hope hereby to sufficiently have followed the rules of our Treaty.

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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:54 am Post subject:

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I thank you for your generous forgivness. I myself have not been very involved in economic decisions..... only so much as it affects my specialties. I am very glad for our Angel allies research breakthroughs and hope it will majorly benefit.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:20 am Post subject:

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GeoModder wrote:
My Lordships,

I sincerely hope I haven't offended or alienated the Lord Ambassador for the remainder of our time on Planet. It was not my intention to be sarcastic or such.

In other news, let it be noted that the Angel research will finish as planned next year, regardless of earlier mentioned civic problems.
Our next research is Adaptive Economics, if available as a choice. More updates I can only give when they are known to me.

I hope hereby to sufficiently have followed the rules of our Treaty.

IT GeoModder

Weren't you supposed to research Mobility and switch to flexibility after we transmit you data on Doctrine Mobility?

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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:28 pm Post subject:

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Lord Illuminatus,

Thank you for the reminding of this possibility, it did not occur to me untill now.
I'll get back to you about this later.

Can you forward the year on which your current research is finished please as far as you know it? We need to double check our respective research times so we do not 'overhaul' one another.

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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:47 pm Post subject:

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We expect it to be finished in ten years with current energy alocation and energy output. What about you?

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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:15 pm Post subject:

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If you are blazing ahead on tech, consider trading us Doc: Mobility to allow us to research Doc: Flexibility and complete the trade with that.

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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:46 am Post subject:

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Yes, that are both possibilities.

We also discovered that we won't have much choice next to Doctrine: Mobility as well.

It seems both our factions are obliged to the same research track at this time.

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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:39 am Post subject:

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Members of the High Council,

I bring tidings, and they are what you wish to hear I think.
Our current research project is Doctrine: Mobility, and it will be finished (at this moment) in 12 years.

Sincerely,
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:21 am Post subject:

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Members of the High Council,

This message to announce the posting of a private message towards ambassador Ouro.

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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:55 am Post subject:

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I am afraid the Lord Ouro is not frequently online during weekends, and you shall have to post your message here. Additionally, we ask you to refrain from using PM system for communication unless Eventis is disabled.
I also see our ambassador failed to transmit you the message given to him.
EDIT: We identified what is the cause of this failure in communication. It seems our ambassador got Rome: Total War, so it is understandable. But please, use PM system only when this forum is unavailable.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:19 pm Post subject:

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Lord Illuminatus,

The reason I used another way of communications is that this transmission carrier IS offline quite a bit recently.

Am I to assume that the message Lord Ouro was supposed to transfer is the state of Vendetta between the Human Hive and the Gaian Union?

Also, for clearance, our message towards Lord Ouro was that the Data Angels acquired Applied Physics. It sounds as there already is a good incentive here for further trading.

Sincerely,
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:34 pm Post subject:

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You are correct. We feel obliged to inform you, since it may have impact on your relation with Human Hive. It will also impact our research operations in future. I will relay your information to High Council

-regards, Lord Illuminatus
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:39 pm Post subject:

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Lord Illuminatus,

Thank you for confirming, if necessary I could ask support within the Data Angels for the trading of Applied Physics for Doctrine: Mobility. It seems that more modern weaponry may be necessary for the Gaian soldiers.

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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:53 pm Post subject:

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I believe High Council agreed to provide you Doctrine: Mobility in exchange for Doctrine: Flexibility (when you complete it). Perhaps we should start negotiation about this. (small note: we have other sources to get Applied Physics if needed to ).

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Lord Illuminatus,

Appearantly the situtation is not that hopeless as you come over quite confident regarding this dispute with the Hiverian juggernaut.

I was under the impression that the trading of Doctrine: Mobility for Doctrine: Flexibility was already concluded. The suggestion of Applied Physics was merely to offer support despite my faction being ill-equipped for a war.

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There was probably a misunderstanding, Gaian Union does not require help against Hive. Our psi forces are powerful and Hive will have problems if it tries to attack us. In fact, we are more worried if Yang tries to attack you, since you have treaty with us. No one knows how Yang will behave, but we do not require support. We are preparing to 'borrow' some technologies from Hive, and we might trade them with you afterwards.

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We are now in possesion of Doctrine: Mobility and Gene Splicing. We have are researching Social Psych and will be complete in 2147.
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**Illuminatus** · February 6, 2005, 07:32

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When will the Gaian Union sent Doctrine Mobility to us then in order to let us switch to Doctrine: Flexibility?

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When is your ETC? We can do it in exactly five years (we are forced to keep it for five turns).
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:19 pm Post subject:

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Do you mean to say that your trade with the Spartans forbids you to forward Doctrine: Mobility to us for the next 5 years?
Is this year the first turn you need to hold it back? I need to check on our technology progress...

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Yes, Spartans have such a policy - perhaps we should adopt it too. I believe you will receive it MY 2147. If I am not wrong, you should be able to outrun it.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:39 pm Post subject:

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2147... ok, a year to look forward to thus.

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We are sad to report that we managed only to infiltrate Yang, since the only probe Yang had ever built has slowed us. If you are interested, we can sell you data on Yang for small fees. Data on his technologies is really most fascinating. Also, if you are going to finish researcg before 2147, you do not need to slow down your pace, I believe we can agree with Spartans to shorten a period for a turn or two.
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Yes, I believe indeed that Yang's databases are quite interesting.
And no slowdown of our tech pace is planned atm, but can happen suddenly with the increase of our population. As is now, the 5 year term is not breeched.

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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:05 pm Post subject:

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As you wish. Ask us if you need help.
Also, what about adding a clause to treaty that ensures that we won't impose tech embargos on each other while trading technologies that we aquired on our own or with our mutual cooperation.
We regard free flow of information as very important feature of our society, and I believe it will be important to you too.

You might be interested in fact that Yang has Doctrine: Flexibility among his techs. We plan to probe him, but it is not likely to get that particular tech (this is what I have been told - shame, it would help us both). If you are interested we can provide you with list of Hive technologies.

Do Angels have any strict plans for research after they finish Doctrine: Flexibility? We could suggest a cooperative beeline or two which would lead us to mutually benefitial technologies.
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We recently obtained Doctrine: Loyalty from Yang's minions. We will complete research on Social Psych in 2147, the same year our agreement to not trade Doctrine: Mobility expires.

In other news, in case you didn't notice, Morgan completed the PTS and nearly tripled in population, from 12 to 34.

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Hmm, I already PMed Hercules to inform them about this. If I interpreted IT GeoModder correctly, we will transmit Mobility to Angels so that they can redirect to Flexibility.
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That is, as far as my knowledge goes, still our current research plan.

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This message is placed in this thread because it pertains partially to research messages.
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To Gaian Union,

In one of the recent diplomatic exchanges the Gaian Union informed the Data Angels about acquiring Doctrine: Loyality from Human Hive. In this regard we would like to inquire if the Gaian Union wishes to complete the Secret Project The Command Nexus? Clarification of this issue appears to be of the most importance at the present time.

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To Gaian Union,

Many thanks on the Doctrine: Mobility offer, it will allow us to quickly switch to Doctrine: Flexibility and further our standing agreement with you.

Sparta has approached us, and withdrawn that same Fusion Power proposal, however they have also approached us with a more serious proposal that has not been withdrawn.

In order for us to remain honest and open with the Gaians, our technology trade partners, we felt it was needed to let you know that Sparta has designs on the Command Nexus by offering us 3 technologies (Doctrine Mobility, Social Psych, Doctrine Flexibility) in exchange for completing Doctrine Loyality as soon as possible and forwarding this technology as we research it.

It appears that Spartan Federation is not aware that you posses Doctrine Loyality. In case if you wish to complete Command Nexus, we will refuse the Spartan offer allowing them obtain Doctrine Loyality from us, as it is in current form. This refusal is necessary to protect our integrity, we believe. However, if you wish to complete Command Nexus and we refuse Spartans we would like to inform the Spartan Federation of the cause of our action informing them that you have doctrine Loyality and intend to build Command Nexus.

We hope also that clarification of this issue will help to repair Gaian - Spartan relations, if both interested factions will choose to do so.

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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:36 pm Post subject:

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Angels, can you perhaps take some time for reply to Spartans?
First, I am a little bit surprised by Spartan generosity in your case - they refused to add anything in our case (and they wanted Doctrine: Loyalty too).

However, I see an opportunity here for all three factions, which would include some trickery on your part.
Would Angels be willing to accept Spartan offer but instead to Doctrine: Loyalty redirect to Ethical Calculus? We would provide you with Doctrine: Loyalty to cover this. Of course, due to your research treaty Spartans would eventually learn of this, but since they would get what they wanted there wouldn't be much harm done. You would just need to avoid to say you are redirecting towards Doctrine: Loyalty, and afterwards they found out that we provided you with Doctrine: Loyalty anyway. We would however still like to obtain Flexibility from you, as we agreed to beeline towards it and it is crucial for our war operations against Hive. My suggestion would also make possible for both of our factions to receive Ethical Calculus. I am going to suggest this to High Council too, but I await your response if you are interested in this. If you have any questions about this you can inform us to.
We are very grateful for information you have provided us with.
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To Gaian Union,

We currently see the situation in the following way:

1. Gaian Union can offer Doctrine Loyality to Spartan Federation for a technology of their choice. However, if Gaian Union does not wishes to do so for any reason, we may continue the talks with Spartan Federation for possible releasing to them Doctrine Loyality. If this happens this way, definitaly we will gain from this trade, and how much Gaian Union will benefit additionally may be found out too.

2. We care about being fair in our trade. We suspect that Spartan Federation very strongly attempts to complete Command Nexus what they stated very openly to us, and if Gaian Union chooses to give Doctrine Loyality to Spartans through Data Angels, could we state to them, that neither Gaians or Angels would attempt to build Command Nexus? We might reveal to Spartans, that you posses Doctrine Loyality too in this case, or we might not reveal all details. This is pointless though, because as soon as Spartans get Doctrine Loyality they will know that Gaian Union has it too.

3. In case we acquire Doctrine Flexibility in other way than our own research, or it is no longer necessary for us to do so, we would like to inquire you, if switching the research to Ethical Calculus is of great importance to you? There is also a new development of events pertaining to Morgan Industries faction. As our analysis indicate, Morganities acquired Progenitor Psych in MY 2145. We ask you do not share this information with Spartans or Morganities now (if you have their commlink at this time). We believe, Morganities attempt to build Planetary Energy Grid. Considering their rapid growth thanks to the Projects they already posses, the Planetary Energy Grid would significantly increase their power even further. Data Angels are presently in position to complete PEG before Morganities can do it, however, this would require acquiring Adaptive Economics as soon as possible, and not Ethical Calculus.
What is oppinion of Gaian Union on this matter?

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From what I can tell, it's probably in your best interests to grab a SP, and the PEG is as good as many for a FM-capable faction. I have not paid close attention to the research situation, however, as I already do quite a bit for the Gaian faction.

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To Gaian Union,

We currently see the situation in the following way:

1. Gaian Union can offer Doctrine Loyality to Spartan Federation for a technology of their choice. However, if Gaian Union does not wishes to do so for any reason, we may continue the talks with Spartan Federation for possible releasing to them Doctrine Loyality. If this happens this way, definitaly we will gain from this trade, and how much Gaian Union will benefit additionally may be found out too.

2. We care about being fair in our trade. We suspect that Spartan Federation very strongly attempts to complete Command Nexus what they stated very openly to us, and if Gaian Union chooses to give Doctrine Loyality to Spartans through Data Angels, could we state to them, that neither Gaians or Angels would attempt to build Command Nexus? We might reveal to Spartans, that you posses Doctrine Loyality too in this case, or we might not reveal all details. This is pointless though, because as soon as Spartans get Doctrine Loyality they will know that Gaian Union has it too.

3. In case we acquire Doctrine Flexibility in other way than our own research, or it is no longer necessary for us to do so, we would like to inquire you, if switching the research to Ethical Calculus is of great importance to you? There is also a new development of events pertaining to Morgan Industries faction. As our analysis indicate, Morganities acquired Progenitor Psych in MY 2145. We ask you do not share this information with Spartans or Morganities now (if you have their commlink at this time). We believe, Morganities attempt to build Planetary Energy Grid. Considering their rapid growth thanks to the Projects they already posses, the Planetary Energy Grid would significantly increase their power even further. Data Angels are presently in position to complete PEG before Morganities can do it, however, this would require acquiring Adaptive Economics as soon as possible, and not Ethical Calculus.
What is oppinion of Gaian Union on this matter?

IT Mart

To answer your points: 1. Sparta refused to add any incentives when we asked them. They explicitly said they won't add anything. Currently we are looking in the matter of relations, since it seems that something drastically has changed in Spartan faction. However, Spartans were ready to offer you three technologies - we see an opportunity to be examined here. Since time is not urgent yet, we must examine it. We posses both Social Psych and Doctrine: Mobility and we can give both of this technologies to you. We would ask you to try and modify deal Spartans presented to you from Social Psych, Doctrine: Mobility and Doctrine: Flexiblity for Doctrine: Loyalty and attempt to agree to Ethical Calculus and Doctrine: Flexibility for Doctrine: Loyalty - we can give you Social Psych and Doctrine: Mobility. Since you can always return to original deal, there is no harm in attempting to do this - and if you can squeeze out Ethical Calculus, it would be a great boon.

2. For the time being do not reveal our possesion of technology to Sparta - we will reveal themselves the fact when needed. Although you can assure them that you won't trade Doctrine: Loyalty to us ever . Seems that they are reviewing their policy towards us, so we will reveal this fact to them later. We are also capable of building CN within one year, but were willing to forfeit it to Spartans if we (you and us) can obtain Calculus and Flexibility. And as long as they think Loyalty can be built only with redirection of your technologies, they will be more willing to give you more - so be careful with revealing this fact. My advice would be to reveal this only when deal has been sealed.

3. We will be in dire need of Ethical Calculus soon, and you know how Ethical Calculus is important for this. Although we don't need it for another 4 or 5 years, it will be needed for us. We won't hide the fact that we will use it to popboom - creating specialists in all bases and boosting our research. However we are well aware of threat Morgan has become, and if you can deny them that project, we wish you luck. PEG will do much good for your faction, and as Spartans are momentum faction and we rely on specialists and cannot run FM, you will do much good with it. However, we plead you to explore any possibility you have to try and persuade Spartans to give you Ethical Calculus in the deal - remember we will be glad to provide you with Social Psych and Doctrine: Mobility so you can ask them to replace this techs with Calculus. Calculus is very important for ours and your future, and it is our priority to get it.
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Thank you for your response. I can see that a deal is shaping itself. We have to discuss it on our forum yet, but I think we may be very close to a mutual agreement beetwen all three our factions.

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To Gaian Union,

Considering your last message, we have come to the following offer. This will allow us also to take from Morgan Industries possibility to build PEG by them. This needs still to be agreed upon with Spartans, but we will conduct talks with them trying to reach agreement as soon as possible.

1. Gaians transfer in year 2148 (the next Gaian turn) pre-accepted
- Doctrine: Mobility
- Doctrine: Loyality
to Data Angels

2. Data Angels exchange with Spartan Federation:
- Doctrine: Loyality
for:
- Doctrine: Flexibility
- Ethical Calculus
which would be effective in the year 2149

3. Data Angels transfer:
- Doctrine: Flexibility
- Ethical Calculus
to Gaian Union in the year 2153 or earlier. Spartans will be given a condition, that this trade with them can go only if they will not embargo both techs beyond 2153, effectively Gaian Union will receive both techs in 2154 or earlier. Both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus are very valuable and Spartans realize it very well. We will try to do our best.

4. Very crucial point for us (Data Angels) also:
If Spartan Federation agrees to trade both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus to Data Angels and forward it to other factions no later than 2153, then Gaian Union forfeits its right to build Command Nexus and allows Spartan Federation to complete this Secret Project.
It is needed for Data Angels to protect our credibility and also good relations with Spartan Federation. We also think that guarantee to Spartan Federation of their completion of Command Nexus may be crucial in obtaining both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus and possibility to forward it to Gaian Union in or before 2153. If we guarantee Command Nexus to Spartans, we will not mention Gaian ability to build it, but we wish to have your guarantee in return. Data Angels honour is at stake here. Please understand this.

5. We would be interested in exchanging:
- Social Psych
for:
- Technology of choice
with the Gaian Union, as you have already proposed. We are open for further discussion regarding this.

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**Illuminatus** · February 6, 2005, 07:33

Sorry for commenting on this only now, however, if you need guarantee, you can freely offer guarantee in our name (we decided not to build it, indeed we would have finished it next turn it if we wanted to), and if you need more incentive, you can add guarantee we won't build CDF either (we also declined from attempting to build it).
Also, if there is any possibility for Doctrine: Flexibility to be transmitted to us as early as possible, we would be grateful if you can explore it. Yang has gone on a quiet build up of impact units, and Flexibility is needed to help our defense/probing efforts, which have shown useful for both of our three factions.
Regarding your fifth proposition, I will notify the council of this - we are quite stretched in our manpower resources this week, and we may not reply with our proposal for couple of days. We apologize for this.
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To Gaian Union,

We thank you for the response to our proposal and questions. Presently we are corresponding with Spartans regarding Doctrine Flexibility and Ethical Calculus. It appears that we will be able to forward Doctrine Flexibility to you much sooner than we expected, although Ethical Calculus may take a bit longer time. In this regard, if Gaian Union forwards yet in this mission year 2148 both Doctrine Mobility and Doctrine Loyality to us pre-accepted, we expect to be able to forward to you Doctrine Flexibility in MY 2149, which you will receive in MY 2150. This is even sooner than expected date from our research. Ethical Calculus may take some longer time, but at the present moment we cannot say about any specific date. Since you indicated the threat which Human Hive poses to other factions and urgent need of Doctrine Flexibility, I think that it may be beneficial to proceed in this way. Furthermore, since Gaian Union is in war with Human Hive, and would forward to us two technologies in advance, which we will greatly appreciate because of your trust towards Data Angels, we consider an additional aid to Gaian Union to help your war effort. We will inform you shortly about details.

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We thank you for your generosity, and the turn is cuurently in Gaian hands, and the techs are being transferred as I speak.

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To Gaian Union,

We have received the 2148 turn without the technologies Doctrine Loyality and Doctrine Mobility. In this case the possibility of forwarding Doctrine Flexibility to Gaian Union in 2149 will be delayed one more year or possibly more, if Spartan talks fail. What is current position of the Gaian Union towards the proposed exchange, Doctrine Loyality and Doctrine Mobility for Doctrine Flexibility and Ethical Calculus?

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Hello respected Angels, I have just returned. I have no idea currently what happened, but according to our presend turn, CT sent you only Doctrine: Mobility, not accepted. What is more puzzling is that he said he is aware of your communications to us ( Yep, I'll send those techs. he said in our turn planning thread yesterday when we informed him of this), and that Lord Aran confirmed this . I believe that proposed technology exchange was agreed by us, since Council rated proposed exchange as positive. I don't see why we would he go against Council wishes, and I do not see why he would break our diplomatic code. I have started investigation about what happened and why these technologies were not forwarded to you, and I will inform you of results as soon as CT goes online again, and explains. Accept my apologies, especially since Council agreed to your proposal. but I currently don't know what happened in my absence.
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Lord Illuminatus,

Thank you for your reply. One turn delay may or may not complicate things. It is difficult to say at this moment. The talks with Spartan Federation we are currently in are not very easy, and I can only hope they will not get discouraged. The value of Doctrine Loyality for Spartan Federation is in a fragile balance for various reasons, therefore we wanted to make the exchange sooner.

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Just remember, you are the last option for them to aquire Doctrine: Loyalty via peaceful terms (or so they think). Do not reveal we have the technology or you may lose the upper hand. Yang will finish the CN project in six turns. Also if they wish to get CDF, they probably need Loyalty to redirect research - since they've got a huge number of technologies their technology cost must be big. Unless they risk and probe Yang (who BTW has a solid foothold in their teritory) they can aquire it only this way, remember this.
If you need our help, just say so. Spartans can be very hard in talks (as we learned), but their initial offer to you may show that they abandoned their initial negotiating tactics and become more reasonable to deal with, which is certainly a good news. However, be careful when attempting to force their hand - they have shown to be willing to abandon very fair deals just because it didn't give them great advantage.
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I neglected to offer the techs we agreed upon when playing our turn yesterday. I would be perfectly willing to open our end-turn save and fix this, however, and post the corrected turn. I notice that the current turn has been downloaded twice, but if you play it anything like we do, you haven't taken any actions yet, so hopefully I can still correct this.

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You may need to contact a mod to ask if you are permitted to do so.
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Perhaps, but I can send the altered turn anyway, and it can be used or not used based on the mod's decision.

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Yes it may be better for you to send the new turn now, since when Drogue or Method makes the decision you may be offline and this will speed the turns. However the Angels must be clear that they can not go ahead and play the new turn unless a mod has ruled on this matter.
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We have the other turn (I have it now, actually)
We will wait for judgement and not go ahead.
Thank you for resolving this matter.

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Method wrote:
I'll give it to you this time. Since all you did was the diplomacy, I'll allow it this time, just beacuse I'd rather not delay the game any more. Don't let this become a regular thing.

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I am glad this small thing has not come between us. A misplacement of an order, it s a small thing... but the old Earth tale of the want for a nail losing a kingdom.... Still, there should be no blame. So now, you are to trade with Sparta, I take it? Loyal for Flex and....EthCalc? I hope the negotiations go smoothly....

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Democracy games are awkward because they juxtapose the frivolity of a game with the seriousness of having many people's enjoyment dependent on your actions.

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Exactly! But that is also the fun of it!

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My blessings to your diplomats re this cute trade!

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Might I ask our Angel friends how are they doing in the negotiations?
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To Gaian Union,

We have received Doctrine Flexibility from Spartan Federation, as we agreed previously with them without any embargo. Thus the Gaian Union will receive Doctrine Flexibility during your next turn. We will post it pre-accepted yet this MY 2149. We hope this will significantly improve your war efforts against the Human Hive. We wish you the best.

We further attempt to negotiate the best deal on Ethical Calculus, however Spartans are very tough negotiators. I cannot presently say anything more specific, as we have not yet reached any mutually acceptable terms. I can say however, that we continue to have good relations, and as they appear also improving, with the Spartan Federation, which is a good sign.

I will post soon more information on development of events which interests Gaian Union.

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Sadly I am not surprised that you haven't reached any agreement with them yet. However, remember that you are the only source of Doctrine: Loyalty now for them (unless they risk wrath of Yang - he does have a foothold in their teritory). Some recent communication we had seems to indicate our relations with Spartans improved a bit too, so there is a chance that Sparta will soon abandon their policies. We are grateful for Flexibility - it will enable us to launch more frequent probe attacks against Hive, getting us their technologies and also allow us to divert less resources to the war effort.
Thank you for the information.
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To Gaian Union,

Explaining our technology trade with Spartan Federation we have to inform the Gaian Union that our negotiation did not go very well. Spartans agreed to trade both Doctrine Flexibility and Ethical Calculus without embargos for the price which was not acceptable. Trading Flexibility and Ethical Calculus was not possible for only Doctrine Loyalty, and it became apparent that this trade will fail if we would not go for compromise. Also we knew that Doctrine Loyality was not that valuable for Spartans that they might even refuse to release one of these technologies for it. Considering urgency of obtaining Doctrine Flexibility by both our factions we went ahead and traded this technology with Spartans. Presently we consider renegotiated offer for Ethical Calculus to Spartan Union and we intend to continue until we reach mutual acceptable agreement, although we do not exclude other means of acquiring this technology.

According to our agreement we will transfer Ethical Calculus to the Gaian Union as soon as we have it. It is presently one of our top priorities to acquire this technology in the fastest possible way. We do realize that Gaian Union is in need of it. We also feel, that failure to acquire both Flexibility and Ethical Calculus from Spartans is for both our factions unfortunate, though present partial trade have its benefits. These benefits will be also shared by the Gaian Union.

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We thank you for contacting us regarding your negotiations, and your story is a familiar one. It will be passed onto those who do not always check these areas...

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To Gaian Union,

We would like to inform you that Morgan Industries started to build the Planetary Energy Grid. We cannot be sure, but it is likely we lost the race for this secret project.

We would like to propose you also a technology exchange in which we will transfer to Gaian Union two advances:
- Progenitor Psych
- Adaptive Economics
for a single technology from your faction:
- Social Psych

We hope you will find this exchange beneficial to you. We very much appreciate our current relations and trust you have towards the Data Angels.
We also hope, this exchange will bring us closer to acquiring Ethical Calculus, which is presently the most important our scientific goal since we wish to fulfil our obligation to the Gaian Union as soon as it is possible.

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To Gaian Union,

We would like to inform you that Morgan Industries started to build the Planetary Energy Grid. We cannot be sure, but it is likely we lost the race for this secret project.

We would like to propose you also a technology exchange in which we will transfer to Gaian Union two advances:
- Progenitor Psych
- Adaptive Economics
for a single technology from your faction:
- Social Psych

We hope you will find this exchange beneficial to you. We very much appreciate our current relations and trust you have towards the Data Angels.
We also hope, this exchange will bring us closer to acquiring Ethical Calculus, which is presently the most important our scientific goal since we wish to fulfil our obligation to the Gaian Union as soon as it is possible.

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RPS Base, MY 2153

To Gaian Union,

We would like to inquire you what is the technology presently researched by the Gaian Union. In one of previous correspondence we were informed it was Ecological Engineering. Is this true?

Would the Gaian Union be interested in trading it at the time it will be researched?

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Answer to both questions is yes. However, can we get data on technology you are researching? If we are correct, you mentioned something about researching IntInt for Spartans? Is this correct and are you willing to trade it when finished?
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We are in the middle of the switch to this technology, IntInt. We also met some difficulties with "research mechanics", but it seems we will finally make it straight. We should be researching Int Int next turn.

The Int Int is not going to be embargoed apart from the issue of allowing Spartans to build Citizen's Defence Force. Thus we will be able to trade it when we research it.

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We are currently researching Ecological Engineering and expect to finish in 2160.

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RPS Base, MY 2154

To Gaian Union,

A short note to you. You will find Ethical Calculus pre-accepted when you open your next turn. We are glad this technology finally is transmitted to you.

We are presently researching Intelectual Integrity. The estimated time of completion is though in 28 years, but please be advised that we soon are going to significantly boost our research output.

We also exchanged a few technologies with Spartan Federation and the update of our research situation will soon follow.

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RPS base, MY 2155

To Gaian Union,

In response to your counterproposal regarding trading Social Psych, when negotiating technology trade with Spartan Federation we exchanged it with Spartans, which was supposed to enable us to switch our research to Intellectual Integrity. We currently posses the following technologies acquired recently:

Ethical Calculus
Social Psych
Optical Computers

In your counter proposal you requested only one of this technologies and energy, but our current energy situation is not very good in large part due to the fact that we lost the race in building the Planetary Energy Grid. We presently are improving our economy but our schedule of energy allocation will be for several next years rather tight. This leaves still open the trade of offered by us technologies of Progenitor Psych and Adaptive Economics, and we can trade it with you at time of your convenience.

In the last message in the Embassy it has been already indicated that we are currently researching Intellectual Integrity. However, the lab cost is quite high and in MY 2155 the expected year of completion was 2182. This is though expected to change quite significantly.

I believe this updates the state of our research and also replies to the offered tech trade.

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RPS Base, MY 2156

To Gaian Union,

We have the following proposal to Gaian Union.
Data Angels currently posses the following technologies which are not in Gaian databanks:
- Progenitor Psych
- Optical Computers
- Adaptive Economics
Since we know that you are going to probe Human Hive bases to extract any technologies Yang may have, we would propose to transfer any or all of these technologies, whichever Human Hive presently posses to Gaian Union before you perform the probing action. This way you do not risk to extract a technology which we currently have, what would be a waste of resources and opportunities.
We would agree on transfer of another technology or technologies in exchange for these three or some of them transferred to you. We are open to any suggestion you may have regarding this matter.

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Angel colleagues, we did not ask for your technologies for several reasons. First is that we do not want to increase our tech cost with technologies that are not useful to us yet. The other reason is that our probe forces are stretched thin, with Hive attempting to penetrate our line of defense (not yet successfully ). Our probes were lost when tried to probe, regardless of mission success, and it is a strain on our plans to build new ones quickly. This is why we asked for credits before, to ease burden on our economy - we need credits for defense against Hive and hurrying units to be raised against it - including probes. We haven't forgotten on Hive, but it will take a couple of MY to probe Yang again - we'll notify of this in advance. Note that almost all techs you got from Sparta are the one's we don't have and Hive has. We'll ask you for technologies when we prepare to probe Yang again.
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We do have to agree that the biggest threat presented to each faction on planet is Morgan Industries. Regardless of our current/future relations with them, they are the biggest and most immediate threat to our survival. This is why I simultanuously suggest this pact to you and High Council. Although no direct actions against Morgan are required from any of our respective factions, we should share our intelligence data on him between us, as well as our hypothesis about their future actions. We would establish a databank regarding Morgan activities. We can both contribute by adding data about technologies that are in ther possesion (like their recent aquisitions of Mobility and Flexibility) and other possible data. Gaian Union can also provide you with data on their relations with Yang, since we have infiltrated his networks (the fact that these two faction have good relations is concerning). We would provide each other with new info as soon as we discover it. Terms are open for proposal and negotiations and I believe that this idea is reasonable. What do you say? I believe High Council will express support my proposal.
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Why there are no answer in such a long period of time?

Have our Angel friends went hacking Morgan banks?

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Sorry for the delay, but as Lord Illuminatus indicated he was waiting for High Council aproval. Has this been achieved?

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No opposition has been met - it only needs formal ratification. What about Angel side?
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I think opposition has not been met due to lowered activity levels near Xmas..

I think there's no need also for any formal ratification - 3 most important leaders (Illuminatus, CT and me) have agreed to this, so I think we can go on with negotiations.

So - what is the official Angel opinon about this?

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Anything? We don't hear much from you lately, my Angel friends.
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I have reinitiated the discussion within our faction.

We have discussed the proposal among our members when it was first posted, but since from that time the issue has been silent from both our sides, thus we have not agreed for any official position yet. Presently we review this again.

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Our response is still positive.
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To Gaian Union,

We would like to inform you that Morgan Industries started to build the Planetary Energy Grid. We cannot be sure, but it is likely we lost the race for this secret project.

We would like to propose you also a technology exchange in which we will transfer to Gaian Union two advances:
- Progenitor Psych
- Adaptive Economics
for a single technology from your faction:
- Social Psych

We hope you will find this exchange beneficial to you. We very much appreciate our current relations and trust you have towards the Data Angels.
We also hope, this exchange will bring us closer to acquiring Ethical Calculus, which is presently the most important our scientific goal since we wish to fulfil our obligation to the Gaian Union as soon as it is possible.

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To Gaian Union,

We would like to ask what is the status of your response to recently submitted by us technology trade proposal.

On another issue, we have had recently quite succesful talks with the Spartan Federation regarding Ethical Calculus. Spartans agree to release it under the condition for us and the Gaian Union not to undertake to build the Citizen's Defence Force. Since you have already mentioned that in one of our correspondence, I presume you would be able to agree on it. There is also an additional benefit to us, Spartans are willing to not to undertake building the Ascetic Virtues SP. Thus if we succeed to acquire the technology allowing Ascetic Virtues SP before all other factions, we can decide which faction Gaian Union or Data Angels completes this SP. In return we, Angels, would attempt to research Intellectual Integrity and forward this technology to Spartan Federation as soon as we research it. We still need to agree on few details pertaining to this trade, but overall it seems very beneficial to both of us and possible to happen very soon.

Thus both our factions would be able to pop boom quite soon, which will definitely counterbalance Morganic advantages. It appears that closer cooperation between
three our factions, Gaians, Spartans and Angels is possible. We await your reply.

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Your proposal has not been ignored, we just haven't come to any sort of consensus regarding it. Given that we have about another day to play the turn, we should be able to respond before sending on the turn.

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Respected Angel members, here is our dilemma.
As you surely must know, these technologies are not worth much and accepting them would have a serious effect on our research cost. This was taken from our debate about the trade:

Benefits of Progenitor Psych:
Aquafarms (useless)
Access to Field Modulation and 3r armor (a little helpful, but we can probe more advanced technologies from Hive)

Benefits of Adaptive Economics:
+1 commerce rating (potentially helpful, but not right now)
Thermocline Transducer (useless)
Tiny chance of getting the Planetary Energy Grid
With Intellectual Integrity, access to Planetary Economics (helpful, but long-term)

To sum it up: PP can be useful only to ensure we get something more useful when probing Yang or popping pods. AE is usefull to us since it would open the door for increased trade incomes and enable us to go for Ascetic Virtues.

We want to trade you Social Psych, so we must ask you a question - could you wire some Energy Credits instead for one of this technologies? Since your plan sounds good, it seems most likely we propose ECs + AE for SP. What do you say?
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To Gaian Union,

Thank you for your response. Please review the second message, regarding Ethical Calculus. It seems it is presently quite important issue. It sets some long-term plans in motions, but obtaining Ethical Calculus appears very beneficial at this point. The part to decide for the Gaian Union is to agree not to build CDF, while Spartans forefit their right to build Ascetic Virtues, as mentioned. We await your decision, since this will allow us to continue the negotiations with the Spartan Federations.

Of course, the very same turn Data Angels posses the Ethical Calculus technology, it will be transferred to your faction.

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Spartans agree to release it under the condition for us and the Gaian Union not to undertake to build the Citizen's Defence Force. Since you have already mentioned that in one of our correspondence, I presume you would be able to agree on it.

We are sorry, we did not thought we answer your question. As you said, this was already made before: according to our last policy decision we will not attempt to build it if Spartans agree not to build AV and release Ethical Calculus. Also, we agree to your plan of researching IntInt for Sparta, if we can receive this technology too.
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I don't know if you have been informed, but apparently the only reason Spartans are willing to trade Ethical Calculus is because Yang obtained and they know we can probe it from Yang and then give it to you. Keep this in mind.
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Thank you for this information, it is then fact that Ethical Calculus will soon loose some of its value and it is traded at the time when it still has some higher price.

I cannot know what are Gaian possibilities regarding probing the Human Hive, however the benefit of obtaining the technology from other friendly faction will spare you a base for possible easier acquiring yet another useful technology. You should receive Ethical Calculus very shortly, I hope this is not the only tech Gaian agent might obtain from Yang?

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Yang indeed has many technologies we (you and we) do not have, but most of them are military oriented like impact and gatling weapons, optical computers etc. Current plans predict we may probe another technology within next five to seven years, but I cannot give you exact information as most of our probe resources have been allocated to other tasks.
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Might I also ask Angels to again review our counterproposal in the matter of Social Psych trade? We haven't got any response for quite some time.
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As of yesterday, the Spartans have severed all diplomatic relations with the Gaian Union. They have closed all embassies, and withdrawn all diplomats, for the time. As our allies, we are telling you, to insure trust, and as a warning. Have they initated any such actions with you?

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No need to panic, Lord Ouro has overstated the situation - we doubt that Spartans are dumb enough to attack us for disagreeing with them, sentencing both ours, theirs and yours chances for victory to fail.
I will now compose a description of what happened:
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Spartans contacted us before 60 hours, offering us Social Psych, if we agree to redirect our efforts and transmit them the results. However, the technology they requested was useless to us, as we do not have need for every military technology they might want to. Moreover, they wanted our agreement on not to build any SPs that may be enabled to be built by getting that tech, or more correctly SPs which lie in techs for whom the technology they requested is prerequisite. On top of that, they claimed value for us in getting this worthless technology without applications is in abbility to trade it further - but they already proclaimed that technology is considered common knowledge and as such we would need to give half of value received through trade to them - which is unacceptable. We rejected the deal and gave them a counterproposal, with a number of alternatives, mostly technologies, credits or commlinks to give us in return. They rejected and claimed we wont get anything. We said we won't agree unless they offer an incentive (this was around 30 hours before). They tried to explain that having an extra tech is good (even if it is useless), warned us of Yang forces that are going to overrun us, then sent a member of their ranks to threat us and insult us and then explain that 'proMorgan wing is gaining power, yaddayaddayadda'. They were quite blatant: "Sparta will not waste technologies and energy credits by giving them to Gaian Union - agree to the deal, blad, blah".
About 12 hours before their deadline, they presented us with quickly scribbled plan of Fusion in MY 2160. As tempting as it may seem, involving cooperation of us, you and them to get Fusion to oppose Morgan, it was a fake. Spartans were in position to build almost all SPs except Datalinks + they would msot likely research Fusion - question is if they would share it back with us. They did not mention sharing all technologies between each other, meaning - 'you research PolySoft as prereq and stick with it, we research IntInteg and stick with it, getting CDF'. We told them we will agree to this if they accept to add an incentive - we never seen the response - they have closed the diplomacy forum for us (what shocked us was that it was Googlie's work) , without notifying us or asking for our consent - quite foul action . They notified us about severing communications later - we initially thought forum was down and voiced support for their plea for extension in hope to see their answer - they notified us that they intentionally closed the forum.
I don't believe it is sign of war, only attempt to scare us, since Spartans would show utter dumbness in doing so - without mutual cooperation we will fail against others. Luckly, our military production increases from turn to turn for some time already. Some of Spartan key members already did an exact same thing in previous ACDG, shamelessly betraying PEACE and ensuring victory for Hive-Drones - I hope they learn on their mistakes. We advise you not to base your diplomacy with Spartans on a forum administered by Googlie or other Spartans in order to avoid this situation.
Also, since Spartans show that they are shameless in their diplomatic dealings, I can propose to High Council violating their embargo on trading Doctrine: Mobility (which they recently requested to be prolonged by a year) and transmit Mobility this very turn to you. We would also appreciate much if you would inform us if Spartans tried to pit you against us.
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Ah yes, Spartans have reopened embassy, as we predicted - they are attempting to influence us that we better accept the deal without any incentives.
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Lord Illuminatus,

Our thanks for this information, we were lately receiving rather confused messages from the Junta. However, for the moment we do not see the deteriation in relations between the High Council and the Junta as a grounded reason to sent us 1 year sooner Doctrine: Mobility. We wish to remind you that such a move will certainly be noticed by the Spartan Administration, and may even be considered as a real incentive to stop all communications between your two factions on a permanent basis.

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We are well aware of the situation. We just offered you to do so if you wish to do so. Junta does not stand well with credibility any longer, and as far I can tell, Spartans are trying to appear as if internal coup happened, with Maniac saving the day . If they do agree to to accept fact we want something in return for their proposal (note that their proposal to gain Fusion is viewed with suspicion, since it suffers from lack of credibility and lot of gaping holes - it seems that Spartans are the ones who will reap the benefits - they are claiming SPs because they have Ethical Calculus - and until they show they are ready to cease their policy of trade uncooperation and fix mistakes we won't probably support it), we will let you know, and inform you of technology. But as far as things stand, Sparta has shown rather uncooperative, and if they wish to shut down communications they will do it without any reason. If they want to do it, they won't need an excuse. We are frankly surprised by their stubborn refusal of fair trade - we would understand they object one of our proposals, but complete opposition to even some of incentives is puzzling. If they continue to withhold techs from us and you, I don't think we need to agree to their proposals.
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As things are now, the Data Angels have still no reason to stop diplomatic communication with the Junta. Our cooperation with the Spartans is sofar, as it is with the Gaians, fairly good.

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We did not request you to do anything for us, except pass us a bit of usedul information. Yes, our cooperation with Angels has been fruitful, I must admit and commendations to Angel side, despite our mutual wishes to get a good deal we were always capable of finding a satisfying compromise. We believe you and we are ready to help you if you request to do so. I hope we can do continue to do the same in future, and perhaps finally upgrade our relations to the maximum (although we are doing pretty well so far ) level. However, do the Angels manage to negotiate a trade with Spartans, or did you find the same obstacles in form of Embargos and restrictions too? We haven't noticed anything that would hint you've been successful (although I am a bit out of track with some things) sofar.
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The Data Angels have been firm in their viewpoint about 'freedom of information' sofar, and despite this 'handicap' were able to conclude successfull deals sofar. We hope to setup a new trade which might enhance the diplomatic contacts between the High Council and the Junta, but chances look slim at this moment.

InfoTrader Mart might be able to talk more openly about these issues later on. Also, IT Mart is responsible of forwarding information regarding our mutual tech treaty. In the future I must insist on solely contacting him in this matter, until he declares himself released of this duty and a replacement has introduced himself.

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I posted a message pertaining to Secret Projects in other thread but maybe it should go here. So here is a link.

http://eventis.ssxh.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=84991

Maybe we could discuss it here, if you wish.

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Members of the High Council,

I wish to inquire officially if the Gaian Union is prepared to trade the Spartan comlink.

With how current possessions lay, this probably would need a little addition for the price the Data Angels can pay at this moment.

May I ask to to bring this issue to the attention of the whole council?

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We currently have no official stance on this, but informally, we will take it into consideration. Could you elaborate on the 'little addition for the price?"

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Lord Ouro,

At present, the offer of the Data Angels is Applied Physics. A mere comlink is hardly sufficient in our view to cover the value of this technology. We therefore inquire if the Gaian Union is prepared to put their cartographic data in this deal as well.

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GeoModder wrote:
Lord Ouro,

At present, the offer of the Data Angels is Applied Physics. A mere comlink is hardly sufficient in our view to cover the value of this technology. We therefore inquire if the Gaian Union is prepared to put their cartographic data in this deal as well.

IT GeoModder

Is this some kind of joke IT GeoModder? Applied Physics is hardly a useful technology, especially for Gaian Union, and you request our extensive chartographic data as well to cover its value? Perhaps you misunderstood your co-players. I am willing to put this behind but I am confident that Council shall take this in consideration only if you make a better offer. Chartographic data is excluded unless you provide compensation. Also, we are wondering how urgent this matters are to you in game turns and when will you have Progenitor Psych?

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Don't be insulted, but Applied Physics for our map data and commlink is a very unbalanced offer, not mentioning our policies about trading maps. If Angels can get Progenitor P. instead, or offer a number of ecs for commlink we could talk. But you can rule out map exchange, since you would have to come up with a significantly better offer for our extensive research on Planet. We might trade you data on your continent if there is area which has not been charted.
Since we plan to infiltrate and probe Yang in MY 2143, any exchange containing techs shall have to be preaccepted by you, in order to avoid getting the same technologies by probing Yang.
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A question here, how can only partial map data be exchanged?

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We take a screenshot of the area and then transmit it to you (this happened in previous DG too).
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O, that.

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Lord Illuminatus, this message can be found on your private post as well:

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The need for Progenitor Psych is appearantly quite high for the Gaian Union. We need to re-assess this technology's value for the time being.

Since the Gaian Union wishes to remain seclusive about it's cartographic data, how about Applied Physics for the Spartan comlink and 20 energy?

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You thought of game mechanics that allowed partial map exchange?
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That was the thing confusing me, since such a game mechanic is unknown to me.

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GeoModder wrote:
Lord Illuminatus, this message can be found on your private post as well:

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The need for Progenitor Psych is appearantly quite high for the Gaian Union. We need to re-assess this technology's value for the time being.

Since the Gaian Union wishes to remain seclusive about it's cartographic data, how about Applied Physics for the Spartan comlink and 20 energy?

I think we may be onto sth, although you will need to drop the amount of energy a small bit. I will consult others about this. And, PP is not needed for us, it is simply that we find it it has a value, unlike Applied Physics.
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While consulting the Council, consider asking them what they find an appropriate extra sum of energy, and please relay this back to us.

Other affairs will keep me pre-occupied for the next few timecycles, so do not worry if a response does not come for the time being.

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My dear IT GeoModder, perhaps we could trade for AP after all - what would Angels say about this trade - AP for Spartan commlink?
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I consider it quite light. Is this the official recommendation of the Council?

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Don't ask how we considered your initial offer. Council is not around, part of it suggested trading for Applied Pyhsics instead in order to get other technology when probing Yang. Since it would increase chance we get other techs from Yang (he has Applied Physics) it would work well for you, since we would gain a new technology that no one from us has, and is in trade/research pool for both of us. Then we could offer that tech for trade. However, may we remind you that commlinks are worth, especially the one - as additional incentive I can squeeze map information about your immediate surroundings as well perhaps throw in a small amount of credits, but nothing more. Please notice the wisdom of our offer and realise that we both can profit from this.
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We would prefer a higher amount of energy instead of a mere screenshot.
After conference with my colleagues at the Commerce Ops Center our expectations out of this deal have become clear.
Please put an energy offer on the table in complement with the Spartan comlink. I have done that as well.
As you stated earlier, your faction is about to infiltrate the Human Hive, and as so can order in one of these 'operations' to redirect cash from their coffers. So whatever price you eventually decide to pay, it is more then likely the Union can recover it afterwards.

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My IT GeoModder, you seem to have missed our point in message above. We offer screenshot and credits. In fact, we offer 15 credits + screenshot information+commlink for you data on AP. However, in return we msut ask you to preaccept the offer your next turn, so that we can receive data on Applied Physics before we probe Yang and retrieve other technologies form him, which in retun can be traded to you. However, do not presume you can dictate our probe forces. Our priority is to retrieve technology, not credits. This deal is legitimate and only needs you to agree to it.
We shall then discuss trade of newly aquired technologies from Yang.
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15 energy, Spartan comlink and screenshot info.
It sounds promising.

May I ask which/who's area of Planet you intend to reveal to us and the size of the area (length and broadside).

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All data on your continent + coast (as if you have explored it square by square), as well information on Fungal Towers and fungal expansion progress. Information on other sections of Planet can be purchased too (except data on our continent), like Hive area.
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Do we have the choice between what area's information we wish to be included? (our continent or the Hive's)

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Data on Hive continent has not been authorised for trade with you, yet. It can be negotiated separately after this trade is concluded.
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Very well, I have to recess to the Commerce Ops Centre with this.
I'll be back!

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We need more smilies.
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Don't we, TTO/Illu?

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Yes Geomon.
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(As is Poke-mon)
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Don't know enough of those to be either flattered or insulted though.

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Me neither but those things are popular.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject:

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Lord Illuminatus,

If speed in this transaction is so imminent, then I propose the following:

First, the Gaian administration will have to issue it's orders before forwarding them to the Data Angels. Can't the Gaians then put already the Spartan comlink and/or 15 energy in the diplomatic screen pré-accepted? As a sign of goodwill and show that the transaction is in progress?

IT GeoModder

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I am afraid that our administration wants the same from you, as sign of your goodwill, considering that we are creating a precedent in trading, you must make the first move. We will propose but not accept until we see you've did the same. We believe we are enough trustworthy in case you are worrying for betrayal. Indeed, if it this is the issue I personally guarantee that we have no intention of robbing you and we will do our part of the deal.
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My Lord,

I surely didn't meant to imply the Gaian Union is not trustworthy, nor to doubt your word.

It is simply so that I was under the impression that we, the Angels, had to pré-accept the transmission of Applied Physics before the Gaian Union put anything through diplomatic channels.

So, your last message implies that your administration will already put 15 energy and the Spartan comlink in the diplomatic box, and we only have to put Applied Physics in it and accept?

Or am I wrong again here? It might that the wording 'pré-accept' is misunderstood here.

IT GeoModder

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GeoModder wrote:
My Lord,

So, your last message implies that your administration will already put 15 energy and the Spartan comlink in the diplomatic box, and we only have to put Applied Physics in it and accept?

This is what I meant. I probably confused you before, since it is very important for us to get it MY 2143 in order to avoid getting the same tech via probing.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:50 pm Post subject:

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Very well, the Commerce Ops Centre does have one question left though.

Is it possible to forward the forementioned mapinfo (map of our eastern lands) already when the Gaian Administration forwards the turn to us?

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:53 pm Post subject:

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I will have to prepare the information, and I will do it probably tommorow, but I believe that if this is needed for you accept, we can forward it in advance, probably when we receive the turn.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject:

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Very well, I will forward whether we accept/refuse the proposal as it is on the table as soon as possible, but certainly before the Spartan administration finishes it's musings (in the hope they're not too efficient of course).

Is this acceptable, or does the Council needs a definite answer sooner?

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:04 pm Post subject:

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We not intend to influence on your speed of decision making - making it within next 18 hours after Spartans are finished with their turn should be fine. I can forward you the map information tommorow.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:00 am Post subject:

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The Data Angels accept this trade.

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We offered you 15 credits and commlink (please verify this), as agreed. We need your email@dress to send you the info (it is ready).
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:16 pm Post subject:

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I am sorry, but no-one in the Angel faction wears a dress.

For sending the info: try xxxGeoModder@hotmail.comxxx , without the x's of course.

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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:26 pm Post subject:

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like you never seen that word before.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:38 pm Post subject:

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In any case, 15 energy and the Spartan comlink are included in the diplomatic screen.

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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:32 pm Post subject:

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Applied Physics is put in the diplomatic screen, and the package is accepted.
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Talks about IA trade

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Illuminatus

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:07 am Post subject: Talks about IA trade

I propose creation of a special thread for continuation of talks about trade of IA (note: our response may still wait a while).

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GeoModder

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:43 pm Post subject:

Well, the year is already in Spartan hands...

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Illuminatus

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:08 pm Post subject:

I am afraid that some members of teh High Council inexplciably cannot be located. I do my best to speed up the response. My apologies
-Lord Administrator Illuminatus

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Illuminatus

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:46 am Post subject:

I have received news from the High Council.

Our enxt beeline is Biogenetics, but all our research priorities can be changed after that.
High Council thinks that we can offer you future tech of Biogenetics and Spore Launcher unit for your IA. We await your response.

-on teh behalf of High Council

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GeoModder

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:02 am Post subject:

Lord Illuminatus,

We of the Data Angels have another view of our strategic situation.
We have simply no need for a Spore Launcher at this moment, since our continent is already scouted.
How does this proposal sound? We receive Biogenetics and your transport foil in return for Industrial Automation. We are willing to consider the foil as only 'borrowed' for a number of turns or include a comlink to sweeten the pie.
The foil would be used to receive faster technology in a nearer future which would benefit both our factions.

I realize that currently the foil is being used to bring back your screening units in our territory, so is it possible to give an estimate of how much time will be involved to do so?

Regards,
InfoTrader GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:38 am Post subject:

I can speak on the behalf of High Council, that Unity Foil will not be transfered to Data Angels. Foil is currently returning to Angel teritory, since it was originally sent to scout eastern reaches - we are afraid that it will take planetcyles until it returns.
However, we have a proposal that would solve question of our troops in your teritoy.
We have been considering giving you cartographic data on your continent, but since you claim you have finished exploration of your continent we will have to abandon this proposal. We are ready to fully transfer you control of our units in your teritory in exchange for IA (this includes immediate transfer of Biogentics upon discovery). However, we are very interested in your mention of a comlink. We would like to know what comlink would that be.

-on the behalf of High Council

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GeoModder

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject:

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Lord Illuminatus,

This counter proposal is quite tempting I must say, and it opens vistas for our first future joint research project.

Am I correct in assuming then that a Spore Launcher, a Scout Rover and Biogenetics will become Angel property in return for Industrial Automation? Or are there even more Gaian scouts in the area then we know of at this moment.

Also, the presence of at least two Gaian scouts in our territory indicated that more then one Unity Foil is in your possession, therefore our vision that one easily could be shared with the Unions ' new friends.

As for the comlink, is this an inquiry for another negotiation, or is the Gaian Union thinking of renegotiating the earlier proposal?

Regards,
InfoTrader GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:18 pm Post subject:

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There is no other Gaian scouts in your teritory, I can assure you. Can I assume that you have agreed to trade IA, for our transfer of SL and Unity Rover, and our transmission of Biogenetics in future? I must then inform the High Coucil to recall crews of both units and arrange transfer of control.
Both of your speculations about comlink are correct. We would like to know more about it.
-Lord Illuminatus

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GeoModder

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:30 pm Post subject:

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Both my assumptions about the comlink?

Lord Illuminatus, is the Union at this point still eager to start negotiating again over Industrial Automation when we're so close to an agreement?

But to ask a more specific question, which faction's comlink are of interest to the Gaian Union? If it is one we own, a new negotiation can be started of course.

Also, both proposals (the Industrial Automation exchange and the Joint Research Treaty) are proposed to the DataJacks as they are now, can you disclose to me how much time the Union has left before forwarding their Administration? Or does the Union not plan to transfer their scouts in current year?

InfoTrader GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:38 pm Post subject:

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GeoModder wrote:
Both my assumptions about the comlink?

Lord Illuminatus, is the Union at this point still eager to start negotiating again over Industrial Automation when we're so close to an agreement?

At the time, we thought you will turn down the offer. I do not see why would we need to start negotiating again, if we are so close to an agreement.
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But to ask a more specific question, which faction's comlink are of interest to the Gaian Union? If it is one we own, a new negotiation can be started of course.

Also, both proposals (the Industrial Automation exchange and the Joint Research Treaty) are proposed to the DataJacks as they are now, can you disclose to me how much time the Union has left before forwarding their Administration? Or does the Union not plan to transfer their scouts in current year?

The sooner we agree about the trade, the faster we can transfer control of units. I do not see any reason why we couldn't transfer units this turn, unless you want otherwise. I must consult with the rest of High Council then. It is quite eager to hear if we ahve reached consensus about the trade. We can continue further discusiions then.

-Lord Administrator Illuminatus

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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:49 pm Post subject:

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Very well, under the assumption that under no circumstance the High Council is willing to exchange a Transport (or Unity) Foil and Biogenetics for Industrial Automation and a comlink the Data Angels can only settle for the Gaian proposal then. These are hard negotiations for free thinking minds as the Angels have it seems.

Again, the Gaian offer as it is now has been proposed to the DataJacks. If a majority agrees we will of course wish to receive the units proposed this year if possible, even if only for seeing a substantial part of the deal be done already.

Is there no further news on the deadline of Gaian turn or plans on when to forward it? As you may understand it is hard to decide if no-one is available for voting at this moment.

InfoTrader GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:03 pm Post subject:

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GeoModder wrote:
Very well, under the assumption that under no circumstance the High Council is willing to exchange a Transport (or Unity) Foil and Biogenetics for Industrial Automation and a comlink the Data Angels can only settle for the Gaian proposal then. These are hard negotiations for free thinking minds as the Angels have it seems.

Again, the Gaian offer as it is now has been proposed to the DataJacks. If a majority agrees we will of course wish to receive the units proposed this year if possible, even if only for seeing a substantial part of the deal be done already.

Is there no further news on the deadline of Gaian turn or plans on when to forward it? As you may understand it is hard to decide if no-one is available for voting at this moment.

InfoTrader GeoModder

As soon as we receive news about IA trade we will proceed with turnplaying.

-Lord Administator Illuminatus

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GeoModder

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:37 pm Post subject:

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Lord Illuminatus,

Please forward our thanks to the High Council for their patience. I can personally ensure you that news if the proposal is accepted, declined or decision postponed will be sent in time.

InfoTrader GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:43 pm Post subject:

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No need to forward your thanks, you've been patient with us too.
We would like to inform that this is the list of our priorities for getting comlinks: Morgan, University, Peacekeepers. If you have any of the following comlinks we would like to start negotiations about trade for it.

-Lord Illuminatus

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Chaos Theory

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject:

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We have roughly 24 hours left before the turn must be played and forwarded.

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GeoModder

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject:

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The DataJacks will have reached a decision within 18 hours, if not sooner.

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GeoModder

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:32 am Post subject:

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Members of the High Council,

It is with joy that I announce the agreement of the DataJacks to the deal proposed here.

We will sent Industrial Automation pré-accepted to the Gaian Union in our turn when we see that all former Gaian units in our territory have switched allegiancy. I presume that these will be a Spore Launcher and a Unity Rover. Also, the Gaian Union will switch their research project to Biogenetics and transfer this to the Data Angels when finished. This will conclude the deal.

Which brings me to some final questions: how certain is the Lord of Progress that the choice of Biogenetics will be available when Industrial Automation is received by the Gaians? Is the Gaian Union prepared to follow our request for a secondary choice in case Biogenetics is not available? And how long will it take before the deal is finalized? (meaning how many years before your present project is/was finished)

InfoTrader GeoModder

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Chaos Theory

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:14 am Post subject:

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I might as well answer this since these questions will be answered in a few turns if not now, and timeliness is somewhat important:

Our only units in your territory are one spore launcher and one unity rover.

We are not certain if we can research Biogenetics as our next tech. At the least, we would be interested to hear what your choice would be, given that you know we will have the IA beeline + Centauri Ecology, and nothing else.

We will complete our current research project in 2137, or the very same year we would receive Industrial Automation , though with good cause it could be delayed.

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Illuminatus

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:39 am Post subject:

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Our tests with MinuteMirage's sheet show that Biogenetics should be available to us as our next research choice. We are however not sure if the spreadsheet is completely correct, so there is a small probability that won't be able to research it, and this is from why we are not certain it will be available. So far, teh sheet has confirmed all our research paths.

-regards, Lord Illuminatus

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GeoModder

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject:

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Lord Chaos, Lord Illuminatus,

My thanks for the responses,
In the small chance that Biogenetics would not be available we propose further researching on Doctrine: Mobility and handing over that tech when it's finished.

We are still investigating the Tech Treaty in all it's facets at this moment, but the outcome will most likely be positive and be announced during our Administration.

Sincerely,
InfoTrader GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject:

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One quick question honored Datajacks. We are preparing to play the turn, and we have possibility of destroying Fungal Tower before we transfer you control of the rover. It poses a threat to you, since it is producing fungus squares and native units. You would neet to wait for empath units to eliminate it, while we can get rid of him now, before the transfer of control. Do you allow us to remove that fungal tower for you?

We plan to play turn in two hours, just before the deadline expires.

Regards, Lord Illuminatus

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GeoModder

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject:

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There is no need to destroy the Fungal Tower and such destroying valuable native life before it's time. But thank you for the offer.
We do not want the risk of having a heavily damaged rover, how good the odds are.

InfoTrader GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:59 pm Post subject:

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GeoModder wrote:
There is no need to destroy the Fungal Tower and such destroying valuable native life before it's time. But thank you for the offer.
We do not want the risk of having a heavily damaged rover, how good the odds are.

InfoTrader GeoModder

Was that a question about odds? Odds are pretty good, if you wish to know. But it is your choice then. And we wouldn't completely destry the tower, we would take samples of it and plant it again in our continent.

-Regards, Lord Illuminatus

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GeoModder

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:02 pm Post subject:

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Lord Illuminatus,

No, it was a bad phrasing on my part, not a question regarding the battle odds against the Fungal Tower. Leave it in peace please, for now it is a good protection against an eastern invasion.
Any more news regarding our request for a secondary tech choice if the first is not available?

InfoTrader GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject:

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GeoModder wrote:
Lord Illuminatus,

No, it was a bad phrasing on my part, not a question regarding the battle odds against the Fungal Tower. Leave it in peace please, for now it is a good protection against an eastern invasion.

I hope you don't mean us ? Or did you got into quarrel with Yang and his drones?
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Any more news regarding our request for a secondary tech choice if the first is not available?
InfoTrader GeoModder

We acknowledged it, but we are confident it will be Biogenetics. Doctrine: Mobility will be researched if we cannot choose it. I hope we can discuss coordinated research more soon.

-regards, Lord Illuminatus

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GeoModder

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject:

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Lord Illuminatus,

It was duly noted that from the factions who's comlinks the High Council prefered not one of the factions was included with a tendency of being assertive, that I must say.
And Doctrine: Mobility sounds like a good starting point for a coordinated research project.

Sincerely,
IT GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject:

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GeoModder wrote:
Lord Illuminatus,

It was duly noted that from the factions who's comlinks the High Council prefered not one of the factions was included with a tendency of being assertive, that I must say.

Does this mean you have neither of their comlinks?
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And Doctrine: Mobility sounds like a good starting point for a coordinated research project.

Sincerely,
IT GeoModder

I shall inform the High Council, but we will need more data about venture . Hopefully the Research Treaty shall be accepted soon.

-Lord Illuminatus
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GeoModder

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:23 pm Post subject:

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Members of the High Council,

You may be interested to know that your former units are well received and Industrial Automation is forwarded by diplomatic channels.

It also appears you have met the faction who's comlink we were thinking of offering.

IT GeoModder

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Illuminatus

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:43 pm Post subject:

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Yes, you are right, we have met our former collegue Yang. Thank you for your notice, we shall transmit you Biogenetics next turn, if everything goes well.

Lord Illuminatus
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Chaos Theory

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:39 am Post subject:

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Initial assays indicate the Hive is belligerent and numerous.

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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:52 pm Post subject:

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Aren't they, eh?

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