The Observatory

[Kody]

Turn 2102 Gaians turn.

Some strategy comments on data angels and gaians.

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Gaians seem to fear popping the pod with the colony pod, but they shouldn't because it's in base radius and has a very low probablity of having mindworms. Also if there is a mindworm they could move the scout onto the colony pod.

They they're moving their scout north into a fungus square within base radius. when they should be moving west where the fungus is outside of base radius. This is because mindworms are very very infrequent when inside a base radius and they need to get that mindworm as early as possible

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For some reasons Enigma set both of his bases to build probe teams. I don't remember seeing any conversation about it in the forums. Next turn the data angels will lose minerals from if they switch productions.

Well they better lose minerals if they switch productions

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No mistakes I've noticed in the spartan or morgan turns yet.

[Snowflake]

Too late I think I'll go to bed now. I'll think about the other artical but I may not have lots of time this weekend.

[Kody]

It's oaky Honghu, goodnight. Thanks for the three articles.

[Kody]

Drogue or Method

Can you merge

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117748

and

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117912

together

[Method]

threads merged.

[Kody]

Thanks Method

[Kody]

This discussion is a CMN stuff so I'm going to move it into the CMN news section.

[Kody]

Honghu, I resent the fact that of all people you had to make me do it.

[Drogue]

Do what?

[Snowflake]

I understand, Kody. Sorry I had to push you. I wish I didn't have to, but this is the only way I know.

At least I made it clear, so if he has to resent somebody, it would be me. When he grows up, he'll understand that it is not enmity against him, and he'll know it is love. Perhaps there will never be such a day, but let's hope there is.

You know me, and Drogue knows me. You both know how I do not want to make Enigma mad. Life is tough. Sometimes one has to make choices that she is afraid of.

[Kody]

Sometimes the tough choice is also the wrong choice. I don't share your certainty that chosen path is the right one.

What we are doing will get him ejected from this community all together I think. You've seen how much he loves this place, he treats it almost as if it's a second home. Even more than you or I do. I fear what instead will happen is he'll block himself off to prevent himself from hurting too much and won't learn from this mistake at all.

However, I've also seen first hand that not everyone is like Googlie. I originally thought people knew, because it was so clear to me what he was doing. I believed that people knew, but they were tolerating it for their own reasons. It appears that they were simply lying to themselves as they didn't want to deal with the issue that Enigma was cheating, especially when they couldn't prove it. That changes the balance in my mind, but I still haven't figured out where the balance is.

I'm think I'm disturbed by the fact I don't know and that I've been forced into making the decision anyway.

[Snowflake]

It is not your responsibility to wage an all out war against Enigma, Kody.

For HoF I can see that Enigma was trying to play honestly, perhaps because the players all supported him when I raised the question after his reload exploit thread. He receeded to using exploits because of the worm incident and then he fell back to his old habit. I wish Barinthus had been checking more diligently, especially after his power chart re-shot up after he almost quit the game. He deserves a warning from the CMN. It is hard to fight habit and it is so easy to give up the fight.

Bear Baiting is a game essentially set up for all other players to rally against him. He faces immense pressure. It is not surprising that he has even less motivation to fight the old habit. You gave him warnings, you talked to him. I think you've done all you should.

It is not your responsibility to catch all his cheatings in all of his games. Every game has its CMN. Some may not be as able as you, and some may not be able to detest his cheating if he did it very cleverly. However, there are things that are obvious that could be easily checked if they check diligently. Most CMNs do not follow the game closely, because there isn't a need to. When people knows that there is a need to do so, I believe they will be able to perform their own duty.

We do not want to make Enigma an enemy. We need to help him to fight his own habit, perhaps game by game.

[Kody]

For HoF I can see that Enigma was trying to play honestly, perhaps because the players all supported him when I raised the question after his reload exploit thread.

When was he trying to play honestly? He used the former reactivation everytime he was able to in the HoF game. I never noticed a single time he didn't use it right up to the most recent turn which happened after the third warning and 2 days after he had promised me that he would stop using the terraformer bug.

The only times he went clean was when he thought either I or Drogue were watching.

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As for your most recent post in bear baiting about how everyone should show him leniency. I think you're more scared about what you've actually done, it finally sunk in that you've condemned someone and you don't want to be that kind of person.

I know that is why I hate myself. Only I did it with full knowledge of the results whereas I guess you were too angry to realise.

[Snowflake]

Kody, the course is so clear to me, I didn't realize you didn't understand.

When somebody does something that is not allowed, you simply tell him, no it is not allowed. You don't let him do it, do it, and do it. And then you suddenly throw him out of the door.

If he sees that he has to face real consequences, he'll know that he has to stop. That's why I always believe that it is the CMN's responsibility to catch cheatings and notify everybody. At least you admit that he can go clean if he thinks that you or Drogue are watching. Yes he can go clean, as long as he knows that he won't get by by cheating. It is such a clear case to me, I don't know why you can't see it.

I am not scared about what I have done, I'm happy about it. Because I see Engima is finally coming out of his hiding place, and has to confront his weakness. Whether he can win this fight, I don't know. But at least I helped to give him this opportunity.

I regret that I haven't made it more clear to you earlier though. I thought you'd understand. I am not angry. But I am very sad.

[Kody]

When somebody does something that is not allowed, you simply tell him, no it is not allowed. You don't let him do it, do it, and do it. And then you suddenly throw him out of the door.

If you're really interested in Enigma welfare then you wouldn't say that having someone watch over him constantly is going to help him. That just the solution where you pretend to fix the problem, but you're really just covering it up. What happens when Drogue or I am not there to watch over him, there was a reason why I went through every one of his PBEMs, and it wasn't because I enjoyed it. It was because he has to know that he can't always be evasive and get away with things. Just 2 days ago he believed that I would never move against him and that he could cheat all he wanted as long as nobody found out.

I've already tried the soft approach, and he's had already had almost been caught in the ACDG, but he still continued to cheat. He's got the impression that things will work out for him because we're soft hearted.

I forced him to make the choice to go clean three times.
1. nudged him about cheating - no response
2. said cheating was wrong - got told he wins because he doesn't have morals
3. told him that I know he was cheating and I wanted him to stop - he hides his cheating in bear baiting and continues cheating in his other pbems where he thinks I'm not watching.
4. he owns up to all his cheating or I tell everyone all of his cheating - he talks to you and tries to get the cheating dealt with quietly.

I am not scared about what I have done, I'm happy about it. Because I see Engima is finally coming out of his hiding place, and has to confront his weakness. Whether he can win this fight, I don't know. But at least I helped to give him this opportunity.

I regret that I haven't made it more clear to you earlier though. I thought you'd understand. I am not angry. But I am very sad.

I've talked to him before and he doesn't consider it an weakness, he said morality was my weakness last time I had conversation with him about cheating without me accusing him of it.

I also thought I made it clear to you that there was very little middle ground. Perhaps with another person you could accuse them of cheating and they would get forgiven. With Enigma I see a strong likelyhood they will eject him.

The decision that I saw you giving me was one of two opinions.

1. Go slient let Enigma keep on cheating and think he's a god because the one person that confronted him directly about won't expose him nomatter what. Also leave many people with a sour taste in their mouths because they suspect Enigma is cheating, but can't do anything about it.

2. Tell them that Enigma was cheating and watch as the community throws him out. Also most likely leave myself.