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    I enjoyed the game, and there are some "takeaways" worth mentioning (from my perspective) - strategy, tactics and general execution.

    First of all, I must say that I was priveleged to be in the same team as Maniac. Altho I consider myself a SMAC veteran (albeit maybe not so hot a player as some), I learned a lot from watching/listening to Maniac in action.

    I have always been labeled (in PBEMs) as a "big picture" player who neglects the minutiae of base management, and it was instructive to see a master at work. I don't think we'd have been half the faction we were without Manaic's attention to detail.

    One tactic he introduced to us to we even gave a name to - the Maniac Manoever. Most of us were theoretically aware of it, but hadn't used it as a game tactic. It goes like this:

    You want to build something at a base, say a Hab Complex (80 minerals). Build a crawler in that base (or move one to it). Then get a weapon, armour or chassis that hasn't been prototyped yet, and construct a unit and put it into build in that base. Upgrade the crawler enough to supply the missing minerals (say 70, if the base is producing 10 minerals - so that would be something like a trance syntharmoured crawler). Then retire the prototype design. The engineers are then left with a pile of minerals and nothing to build, so the base goes into "stockpile energy" mode with the full value of the jettisoned minerals. Change the build order to the Hab Complex. Voila, instant Hab Complex.

    Another of Maniac's strengths (and also one of mine) lies in the use of the Scenario Editor. Very early on, Maniac started, and then we continued together, in building a simulator that exactly matched the map as it was being revealed thru exploration, pacts or infiltration. Then when we were planning an event, (eg, the initial Morgan raid that destroyed the PTS), we knew it would succeed 'cos we'd simulated it countless times using the version that Manaic and I had developed. Of course, we didn't know where formers or crawlers were situated, except from the base maps, so that was an area of uncertainty.

    We also used the SE extensively to predict events. eg - is it better to pop a seapod with a trannie or a gunship? The answer (based on hundreds of simulated runs) is "It depends on what you are trying to pop" Obviously a gunship will never pop an alien artifact, nor another unit (other than a cloned gunship or a trannie) - and likewise a trannie will rarely pop credits. If we want an instabuild, then its better to use a gunship than a trannie ('cos some of the trannie options are removed - such as AA's and units - making the odds of a facilities completion higher)

    And another thing we found: before popping a pod, if we changed the build orders in the nearest base - especially to a prototype - the odds of popping a completion are higher than if a unit or facility is in the partially completed stage. (in-game we got some neat units, the best being a flying fusion powered 3res armoured trance crawler noodle - worth around 225 minerals and gave us an instabuilt SP after we cautiously moved it to the base we were going to construct in)

    One of our better experiences was our "live action" turns. When we conducted the PTS raid (and the University subjugation) we ran those turns "live". Opened up a chat room, then made the moves slowly, with about six or so players in the room. "OK, we've encountered a crawler - now what" "Hang on, let me open up the simulator and add a crawler, and see what we can attack it with. Great - we can take it out with the first move of the elite rover, and still have an MP left to take out the scout in the base" "OK - crawler destroyed, way now clear, but our rover sustained 50% damaged and is out of mp's" etc etc

    However, as players lost interest and dropped out, it became more of a slog. Zeiter (our strategist) came to the rescue those last few turns, although with only 2 or 3 active everyday team members, getting a concensus was proving a little more difficult (eg, no one listened to me when I advocated obliterating a Gaian base with X-noodles). But my chance came that last turn. Zeiter couldn't play it, so I spent the 1200 credits to upgrade our 18 noodles to 10X, then took out 2 Gaian bases and the Angels' captured Hive base. A sort of Hiroshima/Nagasaki solution - the "resistance is futile" card, so to speak

    Anyway, as I said while rambling on, I learned a ton from this game - and I apologize to those Spartan players that I didn't single out for credit. We all made valuable contributions, and it was a pleasure being part of the team

  • #2
    Darn! Since the Gaians didn't play the turn after the Spartans destroyed the DA's captured Hive base, I didn't get to see it. Could you tell me how all those DA planes were destroyed by 6 10X noodles (there were a lot more than 6 DA planes there)?

    I joined the game late (middle of January) and chose the DA's because of Enigma's description. I diligently read all the posts in the DA's private forum. One of the posts was a repost about the difficulty of playing the Spartans. Where there any special structural challenges you had to overcome?
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    • #3
      As you read there was lots of micro management stuff to the structure and movement.

      The big thing in my mind was the political and economic roles
      You have two choices in life; Explore and learn or Vegetate.
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      • #4
        I learned new stuff also as you will read.

        Just a pity we didn't get to prototype that Locust PB with the Gaians.

        Overall I felt the game was played fairly though we did wonder about missing things by one turn. But no doubt that will be explained and turn out to be coincidence or
        (infiltration).
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        • #5
          We played almost 2 years.
          1 year and 8 months, is that right?
          including setup, there is like 2 years for every demogame.
          Mart
          Map creation contest
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          • #6
            Sparta received the 2101 turn on June 19, 2004

            Hmm - that can't be right - we didn't get the password until June 27th

            (but the "properties" tab for the 2101 turn says it was created on June 17th, nevertheless)

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            • #7
              You want to build something at a base, say a Hab Complex (80 minerals). Build a crawler in that base (or move one to it). Then get a weapon, armour or chassis that hasn't been prototyped yet, and construct a unit and put it into build in that base. Upgrade the crawler enough to supply the missing minerals (say 70, if the base is producing 10 minerals - so that would be something like a trance syntharmoured crawler). Then retire the prototype design. The engineers are then left with a pile of minerals and nothing to build, so the base goes into "stockpile energy" mode with the full value of the jettisoned minerals. Change the build order to the Hab Complex. Voila, instant Hab Complex.
              You can also cash in the crawler, then activate 'governer' and switch to build or whatever. Your next building switch will now be cost-free. I am using this for awile now under smax 2.0 patch. This has the advantage of not needing a proto unit.
              if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

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              • #8
                This doesn't work for me. When I click to activate the governor, the 50% penalty is deducted. Also how do you cash in a crawler? Using a secret project?
                Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
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                • #9
                  Sure. I just cash in, tap governer, then go in and manually switch to what i want, then de-activate the governer.
                  if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

                  ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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                  • #10
                    Ah, de-activate the governor afterwards! Now I get it! Thanks for the tip. This probably requires an addition to the Treatise on Hurrying.
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                    • #11
                      I posted it in that thread, but of course it went unnoticed. Or maybe i worded it poorly.
                      if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

                      ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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                      • #12
                        Note that for whatever reason, my way of doing it seems to not work with colony pods
                        I need to test it out more.
                        if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

                        ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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                        • #13
                          My 2 cents...

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                          • #14
                            So far only Gaians made a definite decision.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
                              Note that for whatever reason, my way of doing it seems to not work with colony pods
                              I need to test it out more.
                              I tried it again, and it still doesn't work. Deactivating the governor doesn't return the minerals lost.
                              Instead of bothering with all this hassle, for a current SP SMAniaC game I'm currently playing, I've just set Retool Strictness to Always Free. As long as you maintain a houserule that you can't eg hurry a facility and then switch to a unit, this shouldn't cause any problems.
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