Will Peace Survive the Turn?

[Mead]

I post this as a purely speculative thread.

Other than through diplomatic efforts, we have no control over the outcome of things. I do not think any diplomatic efforts on our, or anyone elses part, will sway CyCon from doing what it wants.

Things are chancy for Peace.

They have just one, pop 1, base on the interior of a medium island, not on the coast, garrisoned with one rover.

The nearest CyCon base in a Sea Base about 3 squares away. I do not know what is garrisoned there. Nor, do we know what CyCon units are within striking distance of the sole remaining Peace base.

Conshelf57 has no garrison. Peace has a schooner 2 squares away from it. We have a needlejet on top of the schooner, making the schooner invulnerable to all but a well coordinated suicide attack by CyCon.

Peace's turn is before the Data Angels. It should be able to occupy Conshelf57 before a new DA unit is built there.

The Dangers for Peace:
1. Potential that CyCon has two units (at least one a ground unit) that can reach Peace's base. I was thinking a rover and a needlejet. The needlejet empties the Peace. The rover lands on the island and rolls into the base.

2. Potential that CyCon has only one unit that can reach Peace. This unit attacks and kills the Peace rover garrisoning the last base, and in the process reduces the population to zero, killing the last Peace base. Maybe Peace would have been better off not keeping the rover in the base.

3. Potential that CyCon (or Uni) or Miriam occupy Conshelf57 before Peace does. This will mean that Peace cannot take the base this turn, and if the base is captured by anything other than a probe action, the pop will drop to 1, making it impossible for Peace to take the base and not kill it with anything other than a probe. Peace does not have a probe. We do not know what is in the waters, west and southwest, of Conshel57.

I'm not offering odds, but do we have some prospective bookmakers within the Hive who want to?


Mead

[Arnelos]

Don't especially want to create odds. There are simply too many factors at play that we can't really figure or may not even know about. We just have to and see.

If they survive, wonderful. If not, we did what we could.

[Mead]

Originally posted by Arnelos
Don't especially want to create odds. There are simply too many factors at play that we can't really figure or may not even know about. We just have to and see.

If they survive, wonderful. If not, we did what we could.

True.

We are hoping they survive. We have spilt much Hive Blood and spent Hive substantial treasuer in fighting to ensure their survival.

But what are the odds of their survival? (why?)

What happens if they do survive?

What happens if they don't survive?

Mead

[Arnelos]

My understanding of the issue is that there is one thing left that PEACE can provide us:

A vote in Planetary Council motions such as raising/lower sea levels, U.N. Charter restrictions, the planetary trade agreement, etc, etc, etc.

Other than that, I suppose the only reason to save them is moral support.

[Jamski]

Well, the vote and the moral support are both nice to have.

I hope people realise that the game will crash if PEACE lose thier last base to another faction.

They need to self-destruct it to avoid this.

-Jam

[Mead]

Originally posted by Jamski
Well, the vote and the moral support are both nice to have.

I hope people realise that the game will crash if PEACE lose thier last base to another faction.

They need to self-destruct it to avoid this.

-Jam

I remember Tass saying something like this.

He said that Peace will have to self destruct once it became obvious that they were lose. If Peace refused to self-destruct then he or Googlie would do the destruction.

Tass or Googlie said if Peace was killed (not self destructed) the way the game is set up, the Drones would lose their turn.


Mead

[Jamski]

I just made a thread about this in general so that they have no excuse not to have seen it.

The survival of PEACE is now guarneteed.

-Jam

[Snowflake]

For me, moral support is the main reason. Their vote is nice but we can do without. However I would like to see PEACE standing up as an independent faction. As Arnelos said, if the fate is less favorable then we hoped, at least we have done all we could.

[Mead]

Unless Peace agrees to be a client state of CyCon it will die, quickly.

I'm afraid I already know the answer, but can you upgrade a transport to something else, like a schooner.


Mead

[Frankychan]

I support PEACE's survival for the reasons that

1) A Treaty with them gives us more creds

2) They have planetary votes that we may need.

3) That's one more faction that can help us out if we need help

4) They need our help

5) The CyCon are being the "bully on the playground" and they need to be taught a lesson in humility.

I'm hoping PEACE will survive, if not, I salute their fallen mariners.

[Mead]

It looks like CyCon just killed Peace's schooner, destroying any real chance of their survival.

Do we ask Peace for their remaining techs, now before they die?

Mead

[Mead]

We could have stationed our needlejet sse of the transport and our 2-2-4 foil se of the transport. This would have kept the CyCon cruiser away from the schooner.

But this would have made the schooner vulnerable to air attack.

Peace should not have moved their schooner so far that our foil could not keep up.

I did not see it coming.

I myself suggested our ships hanging back providing a rear guard action.

Mead

[Frankychan]

Well......what's done is done.

Is there even a slight chance that PEACE can still survive?

Regardless, CPU is going down. First the 'U', then the 'C'. Hopefully when the Drones attack, they'll feel the squeeze and leave PEACE alone.

[Mead]

Originally posted by Frankychan
Well......what's done is done.

Is there even a slight chance that PEACE can still survive?

Regardless, CPU is going down. First the 'U', then the 'C'. Hopefully when the Drones attack, they'll feel the squeeze and leave PEACE alone.

That's what I was hoping, but know I think it is too late. With how weak Peace is, it would not take much in the way of CyCon resources to kill its last base.


Mead

[Frankychan]

Hmmmm,

Well I think its obvious that CyCon knows we're going to attack them. Hopefully the Drones can blindside them while they are scrambling with trying to fend us both off. I'm thinking that even if CPU can empty out PEACE's last base, they will need ground units to take it over.

If we can just prevent the CPU from landing near their last base, there's a slim chance that PEACE can hold out while they evacuate.

Simply put, don't blame yourself on what you did or could have done, it's the CyCon who broke the cease-fire and it's them whose trying to justify their actions by trying to place blame on us for attacking the CP.