Mead's Banishment From the Hive

[Snowflake]

I think we've done a fairly good job of confusing the enemies. Now I will post a post in the public forum saying that the Hive will not try explain any more. And we will be prepared to abide the god's ruling again. Imagine if tass rules that Mead's turn is to be used and they saw the invasion of uni, what surprise will they found. If it is not for buster's being severely hampered, I would almost say that the laugh alone will be worth of letting them get their way.

[Snowflake]

I have a new idea. Should we suggest they simply play this turn, and after the uni and CC turns are done we will provide them with Mead's turn. If they feel like they can take Mead's turn and replay their turns. I suspect that they will say they don't want to take Mead's turn. However this is kind of tricky so I'm not sure about this idea at all.

[Arnelos]

oops... didn't realize you wanted us to stop posting entirely. Bah, it's alright. At this point, the issue is between CyCon and the mods. I have a funny feeling that CyCon may try their hardest to convince the gods to cause use to use Mead's turn and then find that we attacked the University!

I think Tassadar and Googlie may hold out, but if they don't, CyCon is in for a rather rude surprise.

I'd rather that they not get that surprise, though...

I've thought about the possibility of basically telling them "look, what Mead did was a hell of a lot more than attack your one colony pod... he practically went to Armageddon against CPU"... I wonder if they'd immediately drop the protest, accept the turn as HongHu played it, and then ask for a peace negotiation.

Probably far too risky, though... besides, this way CyCon doesn't really KNOW which way is better for them and they have to argue on the basis of the actual FAIRNESS of the issue rather than which way is better/worse for them.

[Jamski]

It would be funny if they saw just what happened...

-Jam

[Mead]

Maniac is fishing for information in the Thread "The NON-ISSUE"

We should not respond to his efforts.

We should just say, as Hong Hu states:

Now I will post a post in the public forum saying that the Hive will not try explain any more. And we will be prepared to abide the god's ruling again.

Please note that initially I was upset that Kody posted in the open forum his comments on my teraforming. I appeciated him taking the time to download and critic my turn, but thought it was wrong of him to post his analysis in the open forum, giving information to all the other factions.

Perhaps as of result of this, Maniac thinks this whole thing is about teraforming issues. I wonder if that was Kody's intent.


Mead

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Mead
Perhaps as of result of this, Maniac thinks this whole thing is about teraforming issues. I wonder if that was Kody's intent.

Although it's entirely possible that Maniac may be tempted to think that this is about terraforming issues (as he suggests), I seriously doubt it. It's far more likely that Maniac figures the only pertinent difference between the saves is whether or not we killed the CP. He's lobbying so hardly for us to play with Mead's save because he probably believes their CP is still alive in that one.

As for Kody, I'm reasonably sure he just wanted to make sure that we got those terraforming issues correct, but knew that if he posted them in here rather than in the public forum, Tassadar would have immediately killed the thread and scolded Kody. By posting it publicly, we paid the price of CyCon (and everyone else, actually) seeing some of our dirty laundry in terms of some terraforming mistakes, but at least the advice was received. Of course, Tassadar still got pissed.

In my opinion, Maniac is merely using the "potential terraforming mistakes" as an issue as an attempt to, in his belief, get CyCon's colony pod back. I perceive that the important part to him is the colony pod and the vendetta.

As for whether Kody meant to throw CyCon off of our scent with the terraforming post, I doubt it. The post was, I think, genuinely meant to be helpful on terraforming issues. At the point Kody posted it, it was still assumed that we were going to send Mead's save.

[Arnelos]

Oh, and HongHu:

Some CyCon members in #Apolyton asked me who they're supposed to contact about Hive diplomacy and I told them to PM you. They seemed particularly interested in whether the Hive would react well or poorly to "demands" in return for killing their Colony Pod. I just played very coy, said that Tassadar's ruling prevented from really saying much, and that they should PM you.

As for my personal opinion... if CyCon makes demands, just play along. Tell them that you'll have the team vote on them. Whatever it takes... JUST STALL FOR TIME. If negotiations are still in progress or our team is still "voting" on any CyCon demands by the time that the save reaches the Drones, we'll be home free and there will no longer be any need for the pretense.

[Mead]

[WARNING, WARNING, WARNING, MEAD HAS RECENTLY RETURNED FROM A PARTY WHERE MEAD, MERLOT, AND SCOTCH ETC. (OK, there was more offered but there is only so much one man can accept, my that Jamison Scotch was tasty (Jamski, I KNOW, you would have appreciated it)) WAS SERVED IN COPIOUS QUANTITIES, Yes, Mead graciously accepted, of course, the hospitality of the hosts. Yeah, He drank - a lot - his judgement may be impaired, a little, OK , A lot, Hic']

Arnelos wrote:

Although it's entirely possible that Maniac may be tempted to think that this is about terraforming issues (as he suggests), I seriously doubt it. It's far more likely that Maniac figures the only pertinent difference between the saves is whether or not we killed the CP. He's lobbying so hardly for us to play with Mead's save because he probably believes their CP is still alive in that one.

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In my opinion, Maniac is merely using the "potential terraforming mistakes" as an issue as an attempt to, in his belief, get CyCon's colony pod back. I perceive that the important part to him is the colony pod and the vendetta.

As for whether Kody meant to throw CyCon off of our scent with the terraforming post, I doubt it. The post was, I think, genuinely meant to be helpful on terraforming issues. At the point Kody posted it, it was still assumed that we were going to send Mead's save.

OK, assuming (which is a big and unsubstantiated assumption) I have more important things to with my life than to respond to everything CyCon may think my turn may may have been actually.

But, assuming my life is so empty, and devoid of any real meaning that I must respond, I suggest the following line of miscommunication:

Mead is the leading Non-Violent 'Dove' of the Hive community. The mere thought of violence or conflict sickens him.

Mead is shocked and beside himself that the Hive would do something so horrible, offensive, and unthinkable as launch an offensive assault on the undefended CyCon CP.

Mead is completly opposed to violence unless in actual self-defense and he thought the CP issue was one that involved only Peace and CyCon, but did not concern the Hive .

Imply that although some in the Hive may feel similar to Mead, it is not the overall Will of the Hive to be so peaceful as Mead is, that is why Mead's turn was not followed.

I'll post any PM's that I receive. I am almost enjoying, OK, I admit it, I am hoping that CyCon does fall for it.


Mead

PS

I've got to get get a Real Life. Whoops. I guess I do have one and should spend more time with it.


[WARNING, WARNING, WARNING, MEAD HAS ATTENDED A PARTY WHERE MEAD, MERLOT, AND SCOTCH ETC. WAS SERVED IN COPIOUS QUANTITIES (for those so worried, he did have a another who drove him home) SHORTLY TO HIS RESPONDING TO THIS POST

[Mead]

I just posted this in Rec Commons:

I just put it here so that:

1. You all are reassured that I still have some basic knowledge of spelling and verb conjugation;
2. You have have some understanding that although I have some drunk a little bit of alcohol that I still have some ability to post messages coherently; and

3. I hope this may help CyCon to think they can reply to me.

Drouge

Were all friends here, right,

so Despite all that has, or might have occired elsewjeher

Could you pour me a pint o two,more please.

Many thnks my ghood man.

Me fiends are whaty I thiughwa me friends

Meae


PS Its ben as tough few days. I guess allof us nned soome help som4tines.

My intent is to play to mislead CyCon.

OK, I'll be quiet and stop for now.


Mead

[Arnelos]

Actually... if Maniac ALREADY believes that Mead is the dove, I'd rather we just kept our mouths shut rather than disabuse him of the idea.

The less said, the better.

[Mead]

Originally posted by Arnelos
Actually... if Maniac ALREADY believes that Mead is the dove, I'd rather we just kept our mouths shut rather than disabuse him of the idea.

The less said, the better.

OK

[Jamski]

Heh.

We are so un-evil

-Jam

[Kody]

I will withdraw from the Hive forum. It will be clear to all ACDGers that I am no longer a member of the Hive forum.

Hey I just want to add this. I feel that the main difference between the Hive and another faction is we used to stick up for each other. That was the thing that seemed to define the Hive from other factions I observed earlier in the game. Also when you start laying blame on members then you divide the faction. So if one person makes a mistake you don't disown them, you can disagree but you stick up for them where it counts.

Tassadar caused problems earlier on, but the hive didn't turn against him. I was new back then and I was kindof amazed that even though people didn't agree with him they refused to disown him.

Jamski caused problems, but the hive stuck with him until he decided he wanted to leave by himself.

Honghu, gave away information about the drone permi-pact and I found out and disagreed, but I stuck with her decision even when there were accusations about what she was doing.

Enigma, well I thought we didn't give him enough of a chance.

Mead, I feel that you shouldn't even brought this up. The hive should not consider disowning it's members for any reason.

Imagine if tass rules that Mead's turn is to be used and they saw the invasion of uni, what surprise will they found. If it is not for buster's being severely hampered, I would almost say that the laugh alone will be worth of letting them get their way.

I was quietly laughing to myself about that at the time.

As for Kody, I'm reasonably sure he just wanted to make sure that we got those terraforming issues correct, but knew that if he posted them in here rather than in the public forum, Tassadar would have immediately killed the thread and scolded Kody. By posting it publicly, we paid the price of CyCon (and everyone else, actually) seeing some of our dirty laundry in terms of some terraforming mistakes, but at least the advice was received. Of course, Tassadar still got pissed.

.......

As for whether Kody meant to throw CyCon off of our scent with the terraforming post, I doubt it. The post was, I think, genuinely meant to be helpful on terraforming issues. At the point Kody posted it, it was still assumed that we were going to send Mead's save.

Well yeah that was my intention. Although Tassadar didn't seem pissed, he seemed more disappointed in me... *sigh*

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Kody


I feel that the main difference between the Hive and another faction is we used to stick up for each other. That was the thing that seemed to define the Hive from other factions I observed earlier in the game. Also when you start laying blame on members then you divide the faction. So if one person makes a mistake you don't disown them, you can disagree but you stick up for them where it counts.

I can't say how much more I agree with Kody on this. And I appreciate you remind me about this also. In the past I have fighted Jamski, Kody, Enigma, Mead and perhaps others quite violently. I always thought that I was being straight forward by speaking what I think, but I realize that sometimes I may have been too hush unnecessarily, especially when I am not always the one who is right. Please accept my apologize. And everybody please remind me this when I act like this again.

[GeoModder]

You're so

I just knew it, why didn't the rest believe it...