Hostilities Imminent

[Mead]

Originally posted by HongHu
I'm still inclined to agree with buster's plan. If we are spotted, I don't think the will self destroy their bases. They'll likely change production to military and try to fight us. I believe the CCs will only self destroy the bases if they realize both of us are going for them. However the chance of them spotting both of us should be slim.

I believe this couse of action is also Comrade Rubin's command.

If they destroy Uni's bases then they deprive themselves of MMI and the Drones of a lot of bases.

Us taking Longreach should not push them over the edge.


Mead

[Mead]

All my future discussions on War plans for 2159 will be done in Turn 2159 thread.

I will play the turn in less than 2 hours. Please view and comment in 2159.

Mead

[Snowflake]

I agree with you Comrade Mead that us taking Longreach should not make them self destroy their bases. But I still am not sure if we shouldn't wait till next turn. Why do we want to face the risk alone? And we would not be able to continue the momentum next turn. I thought the plan is hit them hard and fast.

Kill the CP and declare war is one thing that I do agree. But I think we do not have an urgent need to strike uni? If your mind is already set then I would not say more. But please do consider more carefully.

[Frankychan]

Either way, the Drones will act. If we start this, hopefully the Drones will be able to keep up the momentum while we get new forces in. It'll be a "rolling attack" with us starting it, then the Drones covering us, and vice versa.

If we strike them now, then hopefully we can divert the attention away from the Drones when they can launch an attack. Hopefully we can confuse them by swamping them with our combined forces.

[Snowflake]

Well since Drones and Hive turns are close together back to back, the plan was for we to go in together, and empty about at least eight or nine bases, while occupying a couple bases. The next turn we go together again and we will secure the entire land.

If we go solo now, the battle will be much less perfect. We will be taking one base and may or may not have enough force in range for emptying more bases the next turn. Plus we will be giving our war intention out to the CPU and permit the Uni and CC time to react before the Drones.

Arnelos will not be able to deliver the speech right when we strike also. For he has to wait until the Drone's turn so that he does not sell Drone's plan out to our enemies.

[Frankychan]

Awww....Comrade HongHu!

I was already thirsting for CPU blood and you have to go and be the sense of reason......

Well, if we destroy that CP, won't the CPU interpret that as an act of war and tell them our intentions anyway?

[Snowflake]

No. They will think that our focus is on the east coast instead of the univ front, which is in the opposite direction. But as I said, I think there are also reasons to go in this turn. So if it is decided this way I would not oppose. Just need to be careful with the speech. We would not be able to use it until later. We can still explain away with the killing of the CP, say it's for our security and stuff. But if we open the uni war, I'm sure the CC's won't be quietly waiting for our declaration of the war until the Drones turn.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by HongHu
Well since Drones and Hive turns are close together back to back, the plan was for we to go in together, and empty about at least eight or nine bases, while occupying a couple bases. The next turn we go together again and we will secure the entire land.

If we go solo now, the battle will be much less perfect. We will be taking one base and may or may not have enough force in range for emptying more bases the next turn. Plus we will be giving our war intention out to the CPU and permit the Uni and CC time to react before the Drones.

Arnelos will not be able to deliver the speech right when we strike also. For he has to wait until the Drone's turn so that he does not sell Drone's plan out to our enemies.

When the speech is delivered should have no impact on the military planning. You do whatever is best for the Hive and the Drones in the military planning. The speech will simply have to respond to it.

So if we go early, then we go early. The speech will simply have to wait until its the Drones turn and the speech will not screw up any chance of the University bases not being disbanded as the Foreman fears.

[Mead]

Since everyone seems to be in this thread right now and I need an answer soon I post again here.

Hong Hu or anyone

I am ready to pull the trigger.

I have launched two needlejets.

One is just outside Sunshine coast with one movement point left ready to Kill the Sunshine Trance Speeder and Probe.

The is other, launchd out of Rokossvygrad, is just northwest of the CyCon CP on that island ready to Kill it.

My needlejet that was next to the CP returned to New Moscow and Killed the Data Angle Infantry.

My chopper (which was 40% damaged) Killed the Data Angel Impact Rover and Foil. It is now Hardened Moral. I landed it in New Moscow.

I need help.

How do I declare Vendetta (when they won't pick up the phone)? On CyCon.

I can sneak attack, and will if I have to, but I don't want to if I can declar Vendetta before.


Mead

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by HongHu
No. They will think that our focus is on the east coast instead of the univ front, which is in the opposite direction. But as I said, I think there are also reasons to go in this turn. So if it is decided this way I would not oppose. Just need to be careful with the speech. We would not be able to use it until later. We can still explain away with the killing of the CP, say it's for our security and stuff. But if we open the uni war, I'm sure the CC's won't be quietly waiting for our declaration of the war until the Drones turn.

From what I see of CyCon's movement of that colony pod and their seeming attempt to encourage us not to attack this turn, I'm betting that we'll be significantly better off killing that colony pod this turn.

The problem is if this action prevents Foreman Buster from being able to capture the optimal number of University bases before they are disbanded.

I, for one, believe it may be possible for us to immediately go to war, kill that colony pod and perform all military actions on OUR side of the map ("Eastern front" I think you all have started to call it). We will simply have to hope and pray that CyCon does not disband the Uni bases. Though, although I do not recall who brought it up, there is advantage in them disbanding the Uni bases in that it will delay their acquisition of MMI.

Another thing... is there any danger of CyCon achieving a diplomatic victory if they get MMI and make pacts with both the Data Angels and Sister Miriam? I'm just throwing that out in the open because I haven't looked at the save and don't really know. My apologies if that's just a fool's worry.

[Snowflake]

I think everybody is in agreement for killing the CP Arnelos. The issue at hand is whether we should go and strike on the Uni front. It is not that we will deprive buster of anything, he will not be affected by us much. The issue is what is the best action plan for ourselves.

Although I do believe we have agreed that we will take Longreach and Drones will take sunshine coast. In other words comrade Mead, I don't know if it is good if we take sunshine coast instead without getting the Drones' agreement. Why are you doing this?

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Mead
How do I declare Vendetta (when they won't pick up the phone)? On CyCon.

I can sneak attack, and will if I have to, but I don't want to if I can declar Vendetta before.

It's been too long since I played SMAC or SMAX in an MP game... I honestly couldn't tell you, sorry.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by HongHu
Exactly.

Exactly, to specifically what?

[Mead]

Originally posted by Arnelos


It's been too long since I played SMAC or SMAX in an MP game... I honestly couldn't tell you, sorry.

Hong Hu

Do you know?

[Frankychan]

I don't know, Comrade Mead. I think you simply "break treaty" and it goes straight to Vendetta. That's the only way I can see us going straight to Vendetta.

As for the diplomatic victory, I highly doubt that since the Drones and Ourselves are sitting on a very large populace.