Peace Rescue - Plan B

[Snowflake]

Peace schooner is at (28,44).

[Frankychan]

Comrade T_ras brings up a good point.

Ok, we take the Data Angels base and have PEACE occupy it. Won't they have to defend themselves against the Data Angels as well?

I'm worried that in our good intentions, we will inevitably be the cause for PEACE's downfall.

Well, here's hoping their schooner doesn't get destroyed. We should protect it at all costs.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by HongHu
My understanding of the plan:

Peace this turn (2158) move the shooner to (31,45), ready to take Conshelf57 next turn. Our turn 2159 skyhawk (penetrator) from roko fly to (31,45) to provide air cover. Plasma cruiser also goes to (31,45) to join the schooner. Laser foil move to (32,46) to block the sea route. If CC has one interceptor within range, it can take our skyhawk out. However it will need another two planes to take out PEACE shooner. And I hope they do not have three planes in the range.

Also in the same turn (2159) we rush the transport, move the newly produced probe and plasma garrison to the transport.

Then in next PEACE turn (2159) the schooner take Conshelf57. Our cruiser and foil join in in our turn 2160.

In our turn 2161 our transport should reach conshelf57, transfer ownership of the probe and plasma garrison to peace. Free the foil and cruiser to patrol the area.

The CC probe ship should have already returned to their base. The CC colony pod that they just bought should not be a problem I believe. Even if they dare to set up a base, it will be easy to get rid of by a chopper.

I will PM peace with the detailed plan in case they really need to play the turn now.

Is this plan prudent in plugging holes Geo?

[GeoModder]

Only a Hive boat or two on the PEACE foil's tile would have stopped the cruisers. We then hadn't enough units around to stop PEACE taking Conshelf 57.

No air units were around at the time I think, or the remainder of CyCon didn't want to spent them on a suicide run. I always thought that the Drones gave the Hive detailed base info about CyCon every turn and surely for such an important situation. It seems not.

In any case, once PEACE owned Conshelf 57, it would have been safe from CyCon. Actually, it was already safe from CyCon untill a certain chopper destroyed a certain colony pod...
Only then did I made the effort to deny Hive it's plans for PEACE.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by GeoModder
Only a Hive boat or two on the PEACE foil's tile would have stopped the cruisers. We then hadn't enough units around to stop PEACE taking Conshelf 57.

There would be a hive boat on the PEACE foil's tile in my plan.

No air units were around at the time I think, or the remainder of CyCon didn't want to spent them on a suicide run. I always thought that the Drones gave the Hive detailed base info about CyCon every turn and surely for such an important situation. It seems not.

The Drones have been giving us anything we ask. But we didn't ask I think, for at that time we didn't know if the Drones if willing to spend any effort to save PEACE.

In any case, once PEACE owned Conshelf 57, it would have been safe from CyCon. Actually, it was already safe from CyCon untill a certain chopper destroyed a certain colony pod...
Only then did I made the effort to deny Hive it's plans for PEACE.

Not me who decided to destroy that certain colony pod. And again why didn't you let us know you were indeed planning to let PEACE live?

[GeoModder]

Not me who was in charge of diplomaty at the time, but enough hints were dropped in the main forum I thought.

yeahyeah, I know, newbie and not earned any trust and such things...

As for the first quote, sorry. Didn't read too throughly. How comes your covering plan didn't went through? (if the cutter could reach those coordinates at least, it was on the other side of the island after all)

[Snowflake]

PEACE played before we send them the plan. Plus plan and excution are two different things.

[GeoModder]

Mmm, don't recall if 31.45 were the coordinates where I found the PEACE schooner. If those coordinates (31.45) are a bit closer (a tile or two) to the entrance of the strait, again ALL CyCon cruisers could reach it, so 3 cruisers could take a shot at it.

Should check the map to be sure, but ain't worth it at this point.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by HongHu
And again why didn't you let us know you were indeed planning to let PEACE live?

[Snowflake]

You may be right.

[Illuminatus]

I msut say this:

[Snowflake]

I said Geo maybe right about my rescue plan.

As for the I really think that it may be better if we have got something from you informing us regarding the cease fire. The Hive never really knew that you've reached cease fire agreement. This is of couse not only directed to you. The PEACE didn't fully inform us either.

[Impaler[WrG]]

PEACE repeatedly claimed to have no influence with the Hive and gave us the "were totaly independent" line. The level of coperation we saw made us convinced that this was not so and we acted under the asumption that the Hive was well aware of and basicaly "coaching" the Pirates.

If both factions had made a public declaration that PEACE was a vassel state of the Hive (which we told PEACE was our opinion of their situation regardless of what they told us) then we would have had 3 way negotiations.

PEACE seems to have been guilty of mutch wishfull thinking on the situation, they seem to have felt that If they were not keeping the Hive informed on their Negotiations with Cycon they could still accept the Hives gifts and still be seen as nutral. But as in all political situations its your oponents PERCEPTION of you not Reality that desides how they will react. Cycon percived a close relationship but an unwillingness on PEACE's part to admit it only deepened out suspicions.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
If both factions had made a public declaration that PEACE was a vassel state of the Hive (which we told PEACE was our opinion of their situation regardless of what they told us) then we would have had 3 way negotiations.

I originally planned it to happen that way, but the PEACE did not want to become a vassel state of the Hive. We were moved by their spirit, so we chose to respect their will, while still do our best to help them, without expecting anything in return.

It was your misconsecption that they were the Hive's vassel state. They never have been such. If they were, we would be involved in the negotiation from the beginning. But again we had chose to respect the PEACE's choice.

[Voltaire]

If PEACE were a vassal state we would have most likely taken a much more active role in the war to defend them.