War Plan - diplomatic front

[Snowflake]

I will try to list my current thinking about the diplomatic front of the war plan here for discussions and approval:

Before the next turn we will try to stall the CCs by telling them that their proposals regarding us pacting with uni and further cooperations have been heatedly discussed inside the Hive.

After we receive the next turn (2156), upon verifying that the Drones have sent us the missle prototype, we downgrade the CC pact into treaty (so that they won't see our military preparation). Send them an official message saying that the CC univ pact has caused uneasiness from the people of the Hive and we would like to have more time to consider this situation.

Turn 2158, we propose a planetary concil meeting demanding the CC stops aggressiveness against the PEACE and return half of the PEACE bases. The votes will be 3 vs 2. We give the CC 1 - 2 turns to respond. It will be hard to manage the return of the bases if they accept but they will not accept.

Turn 2160, the Hive, Drones and Peace declare vendetta against CPU. We attack university land.

Please discuss if this is a reasonable plan. We would need a military plan to go with this.

[t_ras]

sorry, it looks to me like we'd be going to fast.

[t_ras]

what about about the production plans, won't they be polled?

[Snowflake]

You are exactly right t_ras. The war preparation - production side also needs to be polled. The reason I have not done the poll is that we haven't really had much discussion, unlike the dip part. Plus I still don't know if we are going to do it here or in another forum.

The reason that I'm shooting for 2160 also is because uni/CC would likely obtain DAP by then. We need to attack uni before they are able to really use this tech. Plus if we wait too long I'm sure CC will send some of its force to defend the univ. If we are going to a war, we need to do it quick and strong.

[Vander]

Exactly. We need to get to war before they get DAP. If we stall too long, we may come to the shores of CyCon and find that the skys are filled with doom.

[Jamski]

I think the plan is good. Its great, actually.

But maybe its not fast ENOUGH. We have to switch our whole production to war. And I mean it. Those of you who are used to playing against the AI don't realise just how many units are needed for a PBEM war. We have to really go for them HARD and FAST, before they can get D:AP and stop us.

One turn may make the difference, really. Just one turn.

-Jam

[Snowflake]

Ok. How about 2159.

[Mead]

Originally posted by HongHu
Ok. How about 2159.

I have not been able to download the save you did.
[Like many technical matters (such as polls) I need help.]

How many bioenhancement centers do we have building? Where?

Since they do not have DAP yet we should concentrate on making aircraft, choppers, and drop units in most of the cities.

We should make the choppers in the cities that have the bio centers (to make them tougher for the multiple attack). The Needlejets will be used for single attacks, scouting, and aerial blockades.

I think we can stick with wealth for a while. I think, for now, the trade off on more units, faster, outweighs having stronger units later.

Note: with wealth we will have Green units (disciplined in the cities with bio centers) and, with survival we would have commando units.

If we swap to a war setting then we will need to see what the Drones do. If they stick as a builder then they will start making stuff like tree farms like crazy and get a lot of cash and tech, while we hold off CyCon and get a lot of bases. We should ensure they share the Techs with us and we should be prepared, to give them some captured bases in return. If they go on a war footing too, then the tech rate stagnates for both of us while we divide the Uni/CyCon Empire. Maybe we should talk to them about this.

Once I download the next save I will see just how quickly we can make a good military.


Mead

[Micha]

Good plan. Is it verified that we are ABLE to follow it? I mean, we´d have to pump out three to four units per base... Plus we´d have to place them in attack position BEFORE declarin the vendetta.

We also need to work on the explaination for the downgrading of our relations to CyCon. They will know what we´re aiming at when we cancel the pact (after getting the war techs)

[Mead]

Originally posted by Micha
Good plan. Is it verified that we are ABLE to follow it? I mean, we´d have to pump out three to four units per base... Plus we´d have to place them in attack position BEFORE declarin the vendetta.

No. It is not verified.

I will see what how quickly we can make a military after I download the save, when it becomes available.

Three or four units per base seems a little hopefu. l I was hoping for two, maybe three, before the war started. More units to follow during the war until the war winds up.

I just looked at the CyCon bases in 2155. It looks like they do not have much in the way of military, most has 1 armor, (that can change real quick) so a rather swift air power heavy attack (within 4-5 turns) could be decisive.

We also need to work on the explaination for the downgrading of our relations to CyCon. They will know what we´re aiming at when we cancel the pact (after getting the war techs)

We should tell them we are worried about their, not our, intentions. We should tell them that they should prove to us that they are not seeking a war before we reopen a Pact and let them see our weaknesses.

Also, (assuming that they are still at war with the Drones) we should say that we cannot be in a Pact with them when they are at war with the Drones.

Mead

[Voltaire]

I agree with the basic plan laid out, but I prefer the alternative timetable that would delay its implementation until we have defenses built up and perhaps an army ready to strike at the CyCon. Peace is our ally for as long as we can keep it, since we need time to build up our military forces.

[Octavian X]

I agree with Voltaire - we are about to enter a diplomatic game which could very well be our end. We should only impleament HongHu's plan when we are absolutely sure we can take any curveballs CyUni can throw at us. Remember, they may be able to pick up subtle signs that indicate our preparations for war.

Only when we are ready to fight must we start the fight.

[Mead]

Originally posted by Octavian X
I agree with Voltaire - we are about to enter a diplomatic game which could very well be our end. We should only impleament HongHu's plan when we are absolutely sure we can take any curveballs CyUni can throw at us. Remember, they may be able to pick up subtle signs that indicate our preparations for war.

Only when we are ready to fight must we start the fight.

I agree.

We should seek to start the fight only when we are ready. On our terms.

I have no problem with playing nice to the AOE (Axis OF Evil) until we are ready to fight.

Hey, if they want to swear a Pact to serve us right now and give us all their Tech and ECs (plus a few bases) right now I would be among the first to accept that.

However, it looks like they are out to destroy both us and the Drones.

I will conceal our intentions. I will work to wait until the odds are best in our favor.


Mead

[t_ras]

i think 2160 would be to soon.
as i've seen in citys, making units strong enough for war (ignoring the fact that we still dont have good enough defences) will take longer. we can get now about 2 units per base ,being blindly optimistic (which i hate to do) 3. and all the above is not considering we need an air-fleet, which will take longer.

[Jamski]

If we leave it too long we'll be attacking units with AAA capabilty and 4-armour. CyUni have just increased their research speed four-fold. We can't win a building game. How many times have I said this?

We may have missed our oppotunity already.

-Jam