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**Kody** · October 18, 2003, 19:30

Looks like the cycon have already brought up the joint-victory pact.

**Rokossovky** · October 18, 2003, 19:40

GAH! Um, I suggest doing what the drones did to us. Accept a non-permanent pact now, and tell them we might be interested in joint-victory in the future.

As you've mentioned though the drones won't go for it. So we end up with two choices. We go with the cycon and take out the drones, or we go with the drones and pact with the cycon knowing that we will betray them...

I don't trust the Cycon to the extent that I trust the drones presently.

I would suggest, at this time, signing a 30 year pact with the cycon. This will give us time to take out the uni. With them gone, and with the conclusion of the pact, we can evaluate which of the two options we wish to take.

Just inform them that right now we are are perma pacted with the drones, and we share a landmass. We have grown to trust them, but they are not at all in favour of a three way victory. Thus we find outselves in a dilema. The cycon and the Hive would make perfect pact mates, but we have already established a trusting and working relationship with another faction. This, however, does not exclude the possibilty that this relationship may degrade, or the cycon relationship may prove more vital to our survival in the long term. So, for now, we suggest signing a 30 year pact with the understanding that at the conclusion of the 30 years it may very well turn into a joint victory pact.

- Rokossovky

**Kody** · October 18, 2003, 19:49

Kody says:
we have a problem
The Marshal says:
I just posted
The Marshal says:
read
The Marshal says:
?
The Marshal says:
in the cycon want perma pact
The Marshal says:
i posted
Kody says:
yep
The Marshal says:
ok
The Marshal says:
what do you think of my suggestion?
Kody says:
reading
Kody says:
a time limit would reduce trust at this stage
The Marshal says:
yes
The Marshal says:
but just explain our ass is in a noose
The Marshal says:
we cannot jump from something that we have that works into the unkown
The Marshal says:
it would not be logical
The Marshal says:
they will understand
Kody says:
hrmm
The Marshal says:
but just make it expressly clear that in future we just very well might
The Marshal says:
if the relationship with them prooves to be more fruitful
The Marshal says:
that way they will be eager to please as well
Kody says:
perhaps we suggest a 30 year pact and see if it proves fruitful
Kody says:
so basically what you've been saying
The Marshal says:
lol,yea, that's pretty much exactly what I said
The Marshal says:
yea
Kody says:
sorry I was trying to reiterrate
The Marshal says:
just make sure to leave the olive branch out that we may be willing then if they proove trustworthy
The Marshal says:
that way they won'[t be plottting to take us out behind our backs
Kody says:
I suggest we explain the inital reasons why we entered the drone pact.
Kody says:
Eg the drones were very close
The Marshal says:
yea
The Marshal says:
that would work
Kody says:
then we say if we enter a permi-pact victory with the cycon
The Marshal says:
appeal to their sense of logic and also hope for future
Kody says:
we would have to disenage honourably with the drones
Kody says:
otherwise we may be forced into the difficult situation of backstabbing them.
The Marshal says:
yea
The Marshal says:
precisely
Kody says:
Also we worry that if the drones found out abut a cycon joint victory pact
Kody says:
we would suddenly find ourselves invaded
The Marshal says:
now you are thinking
The Marshal says:

Kody says:
see honour while tying one hand
Kody says:
releases the other
Kody says:
everyone cannot question hive integrity, so we can use it as an excuse
The Marshal says:
perfect
The Marshal says:
lol, and pretty much what I was getting at, I am liking this agreement thing we are doing lately
The Marshal says:
just post something like that on the forum
Kody says:
we're just making the logical decisions
The Marshal says:
indeed

**Rokossovky** · October 18, 2003, 20:04

Draft Proposal:

Greetings Honourable Comrades of the CyCon,

We are overjoyed to receive your offer of a joint-victory pact. The people of the Human Hive have a special place in their heart for the CyCon, and we would be very pleased to accept this pact. Unfortunately, there are certain circumstances which are presently out of our control which inhibit our ability to follow what our hearts desire.

However, this does not negate the possibility of a CyCon-Hive joint-victory pact in the future. Thus, we suggest, for now, to sign a 30 year pact. This will enable us to establish trust and achieve some of our common goals. At the end of this period, if the Cycon prove as friendly and trustworthy as they appear now, then we very well could be willing to consider the joint-victory pact.

**Kody** · October 18, 2003, 20:34

Ever since I joined the Hive there has been talk about teaming up with the cycon. In fact the Hive has been thinking about it, and hasn't stopped thinking about it all this time.

Unfortunately, during our long period of non-contact we're found ourselves in a difficult situation. Basically we found the drones on our doorstep. Originally we considered going to war with them, but we weren't confident we could win, and it looked like it would turn into a slug match for the next 30 years. So we comprised and offered a pact to prevent our mutal destruction.

We've actually been cooperating for a while, and dreaded the decision we would have to make when we met you. You see the drones haven't done anything to comprise our pact, so if we break the pact the drones would immediately believe we had gone aggressive towards them.

While the hive is currently more powerful than the drones, that may not remain the case, and if the drones ever found out about a joint-victory pact with the cycon. The hive may suddenly find itself with a single base remaining.

I feel personally the drones already envy our little stint with the SPs, although I did my best to carefully negate it.

Apolyton Civilization Site

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=2380893#post2380893

I'll start a discussion thread in the hive forum to discuss the issue. You see a joint-victory with you means the hive will eventually have to go up against the drones. While We've done quite well so far I not sure we're up to defeating Buster. What the hive would need to decide in this situation is how we could go about extracting ourselves honourably, and how to minimise the risk of our destruction in the process.

We've also got our opinions limited, because a while ago the hive agreed on a honour or power poll. Here's the link if certain hivers decide to have a short memory.

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92162

Basically, the hive decided it would maintain it's intregity rather than using backstabbing techniques to further our interests. Attacking the drones unexpectedly would be the most certain way of ensuring our own surivial, however doing that is definitely classed as a backstabbing technique.

Discussion thread here on the joint victory pact started here.

Apolyton Civilization Site

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99541

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