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**Jamski** · February 4, 2004, 13:44

Hi Jamski,

***COMPLETELY OFF THE RECORD***
If you attack the Drones we will definitely help you. Then we can get our revenge. Don't even ask

How much support is there for revenge within the Hive?

That wasn't an official message of any sort. Just a comment.

Yeah, but there are quite a few of such negative Hivean comments.

***OFF THE RECORD***

Jamski, do you think it would be possible to get an official answer on my message within the next 24 hours? The longer the Hive waits, the more cyborgs become convinced of a Hive-Drone permapact. Could I please ask to what degree the Hive and PEACE are currently cooperating and trading? How did you get Doc:Ini? And how did PEACE get NonlMath? I can assure you it's crucial for the Hive-CC relationship we know the honest truth about this soon.

Greetings,

Maniac

Here's his PM, replying to my PM. Nice misinformation, I think

-Jam

**Jamski** · February 4, 2004, 13:46

I shall reply something about the Hive being undecided between staying neutral, or attacking the Drones, if the CyUni promise to help. Lets lock them into a trap, eh?

-Jam

**Jamski** · February 4, 2004, 13:48

Actually, it would be good if HongHu and Voltaire could also send pro-CyUni and Anti-Drone PMs to Maniac and Drogue.

We can REALLY fool them on a scale not seen since the "lost colony pod" incident

-Jam

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 14:11

How about an official message like this:

Dear Functions of the CyCons,

Your messages have been warmly welcomed in the Hive. The Hive has always considered the CCs to be their best friends in this planet. Although the PUT has been long regarded as our potential enemy, the CC-PUT alliance has opened an entirely new door to the future structure of the world. The implications of this event and your proposals regarding the Hive pacting with uni and further cooperations between us have been heatedly discussed inside the Hive.

Although we cannot give you any promise at this time before we are able to take a look at the situations when the turn comes to our hands, we would like to assure you that the Hive has maintained its prior promise to you, that it is staying neutral in the CC-PEACE war. It should be easy for the functions to see that the Hive has not given NonlMath to the PEACE because the Hive does not possess that technology itself.

Chairman Voltaire
Ambassador Jamski
Comrade HongHu

I'm hoping the official message to be sound that they cannot accuse us of lying when we break war against them. Then when the turn comes we can send another message saying that we are currently vulnerable to any potential attacks from the CPU attacks so we decide to change pact to treaty until we can be assured about the CCs attentions.

All of what I wrote are absolutely the truth.

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 15:49

PM from Maniac:

Fw: RE: PUT-CC Unification
Hi Voltaire and HongHu,

I'm going to forward you three PMs of Jamski to me.
I have two questions.
a) Are you aware of these PMs?
b) Does Jamski speak the truth?
Could you please give me some sort of answer to this and my official message of two days ago before I sent the turn to PEACE?

Thanks,

Maniac

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 15:55

Two of the earlier messages Jamski had already posted here. The new one he didn't have time to post yet I suppose. So I'm copying it here also.

Jamski wrote on 04-02-2004 12:36:
Let me just say that we were discussing the possibility of a perma-pact with the CyCon.

However, now the debate is getting a bit crazy. Some people are pro-CyUni, but others say we should pact with the Drones and Peace and come and whip your arse. Major hive split.... BUT the chairman is in favour of doing nothing and just staying neutral.

Doc:Int was a trade with the Drones, who got it by giving NonLinMath to the PEACE, I think. I'm not sure.

Its possible the Drones and PEACE are permapacted. I don't know.

Keep safe.

-Jam

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 16:20

My comment is that you have given them too much dear Jamski. We do not need to lie to them about Doc: Init, we could simply not say anything about it and let them guess. There are more ways for us to obtain that tech, for example, we could have probed PEACE for it. We have infiltrated them long before.

Looks to me your PM was sent after my posting the draft official message. I kind of wish you had checked the forum again before you sent that PM, that could saved us from more lying couldn't it?

Plus you told them some of us want to attack CCs. I would have stopped just saying that it is heatedly discussed without revealing what is discussed.

Even in the message that we will send to them when we downgrade the pact to treaty I would refrain from talking about attacks to the CCs. I would only say that we feel we do not have surficient defense ability to stay in the pact.

Anyway, I have formulated a reply to Maniac and try to diffuse things a little.

Dear Function Maniac,

Thanks for your messages. First I want to assure you that your official message has been received by the Hive timely. Since I am not the CC ambassador any more, I have tried to refrain from communicating with the CCs. However, comrade Jamski has been constantly informing us the communications between you. I am not aware of the last PM he sent but that may just be because he didn't have time to do it yet.

As for whether what he said is the truth, I would like to comment that some of his statements may be his own beliefs and conjectures. For example, the Hive does not have the knowlege of tech trade and relationship between Drones and PEACE. (I personally do not think that peace and Drones are perm pacted.) What I can assure you is that your proposal has received great attentions from the Hivers and we are experiencing great participations again from the team members. An official response to you was already formulated but it will have to wait until it at least gets the clearance from the Chairman. At the current stage I do not believe we will be able to give you a definitely yes or no before we see the next turn because people wants to assess the situation carefully.

Comrade HongHu

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 17:57

PM from Maniac:

Hi HongHu,

Thanks for your swift response. I hope to hear the official Hive response soon. Btw, you say that for example Jamski assuming a PEACE-Drone permapact is his personal belief, but is it true what Jamski says about Doc:Ini? Did you trade that with the Drones, and are you not cooperating with PEACE?

Greetings,

Maniac

Jamksi you've put me in an awkward position. Should I back your lies?

The problem is this lie doesn't do us good, for it will give them the impression that we are closely working with the Drones.

We better send the official response out soon.

**Frankychan** · February 4, 2004, 18:01

Thanks Comrade HongHu, I'm verified now.

Are we informing the Drone's of what we are doing here? I mean, it's all good if we tell the CPU that we will support them if they attack the Drone's, but do the Drone's know that we are telling lies? That is my main concern.

I think Comrade Jamski has saved our a**es by saying that he thinks, but isn't sure....that could be interpreted as being a personal belief. It sounds like Maniac is confused to Comrade Jamski's role, which I think helps us out in the long run.

Just try not to give up information that could put thoughts into their cyborgian minds.

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 18:05

Sigh. You got me. (Why do you have to be this sharp everytime?) I was trying not to accuse Jamski of lying.

No we didn't trade that off Drones. But we didnt' trade that with the PEACE either.

There are many ways we can obtain a tech.

In fact there is a possibility that we didn't even want the tech.

(But you may already know that. Plus I have probably already told you too much again.

) Jamski has not opened the game for many turns now. Some times I fear that he doesn't know what he is talking.

Hong

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 18:08

We have declined to trade Doc Init with the CCs many times in the past. That was what I was refering.

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 18:11

Jamski are you planning to send that official message out?

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 18:43

More PMs from Maniac:

Hi HongHu,

Hmm, I'll have to think about other ways to acquire Doc:Ini.

I guess you could have obtained it from the Angels as well.

Jamski has not opened the game for many turns now. Some times I fear that he doesn't know what he is talking.

Err, an informal question, is it wise to have Jamski as ambassador then?
Btw, if you aren't trading with PEACE, why is the Hive no longer interested in AdapEcon?

We could trade that in exchange for techs you have such as DAP and MMI which we'll get soon anyway.

Greetings,

Maniac

**Snowflake** · February 4, 2004, 18:56

Me:

The main reason is that I have been unsuccessfully trying to fade away from ACDG since I am very time pressed. You may have noticed that I had to cancel one of my favorite Pbem (gufnork rumble) also. I will have to look at the tech trade again. IIRC we didn't want to trade with you because of the no PEG condition. But things may have changed. I have not had time to look at all the other things such as infiltration and tradings and such other than finishing the turn last turn. There are always so much non game related issues at the Hive. But anyway I'll take a look and let you know.

Chairman, should I send out the official message to the CCs?

**Voltaire** · February 4, 2004, 19:04

Yes, but all means, we need to respond.

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