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    Jamski says:
    more people!
    Jamski says:
    YAY!
    John says:
    heh
    Jamski says:
    I hear he's a Nazi
    Vev says:
    Like Arnie?
    Vev says:
    Schwarzeneggerstrasse?
    Jamski says:
    heh
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    So Micha what do you do IRL?
    Jamski says:
    schwartz-eh-******
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    student of computer science and economics... (like said in my 'poly profile )
    Jamski says:
    but everyone lies in them
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Ah economics, poor you, the lesser social science.
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    lol
    Vev says:
    like I am a profressional 'truth extractor'
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    hehe
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Hmm, perhaps I'll get a chance to put my theories about nuclear deterrence into practice in this demogame.
    Jamski says:
    I hope so
    Jamski says:
    is your theory that if you nuke everyone - then they'll be really really deterred?
    John says:
    Micha: the preturn you posted looks good
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    nah, no detterence... Real war!
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    thanks
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    bust it was your preturn
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    lol, not quite, it's nuke the other bastards first before they can nuke you back.
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    *but
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    lol, this is deterrence?
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Well
    Vev says:
    deters people from living?
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Deterrence comes in when you try to get so many nukes that the other guy could not destroy them all even if he tried and so he won't nuke you because you'll have enough left over to nuke him after.
    Jamski says:
    I like the idea of deterring them from living
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    but since you´ll nuke him anyway he´ll just go on striking back
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Did you know that two U.S. nuclear submarines have enough warheads to take out all major Soviet cities (pop. above 10,000)
    Jamski says:
    then why havn't they done it yet?
    Jamski says:
    hmm?
    Vev says:
    wuss!
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Because the Russians can do the same after teh Americans nuke them.
    Jamski says:
    The US couild nuke all the russian nukes first
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    No, they can try, but there would still be enough left over to cause "unacceptable damage" to the US.
    Jamski says:
    but great sunsets eh?
    Jamski says:
    and it would be a price to pay for lasting peace
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Did you know that all ABM programs during the Cold War were not designed to protect the population of the countries, rather the nukes?
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Both governments cared more about keeping their nukes safe than their citizens.
    Jamski says:
    really? - I'm not surprised

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    Jamski says:
    we should do the same with our PBs
    Vev says:
    offf now
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Except SMAX is unrealistic in its simulation of missiles, since the other guy can take yours out before you can respond, whereas in real life you'd have maybe ~30 min warning where you'd use that time to launch all you have agianst him.
    Jamski says:
    seeya Vev
    Jamski says:
    but we can protect them with sats etc
    John says:
    if you're running IP
    John says:
    with simulateous turns
    John says:
    you see the first missle go off
    John says:
    and then you can start responding
    Jamski says:
    you still have time to send yours yes
    Jamski says:
    but you can respond untill the first one has already hit
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    How effective are orbital defense satellites in guarding against missiles anyway?
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    I've never quite understood how those work.
    Jamski says:
    they are about 50% effective for each sat
    Jamski says:
    the sats are destroyed in any case
    John says:
    nope
    John says:
    the sats are only destoried on their 2nd attempt
    Jamski says:
    oh
    John says:
    vev was experimenting with it
    Jamski says:
    well, how often do you get nuked?
    John says:
    depends on how many sats are around
    John says:
    and whether they're depolyed or not
    John says:
    and whether you have fletch defences
    John says:
    each fletch defences work independantly from sats for 50%
    John says:
    if you have three bases with fletch in range the chances of you getting nuked are 0.5^3
    John says:
    so 12.5%
    Jamski says:
    so.. 0.125?
    John says:
    then with sattellites
    Jamski says:
    now it gets fun
    John says:
    an undeloyed satellite has 50% chance of shooting down a PB
    John says:
    so if you have 5 ODP
    John says:
    and 1 PB against you
    Jamski says:
    yes...
    John says:
    the chance of PB going through all the undeployed satellites is 0.5^5
    Jamski says:
    I can't do probabliites very well
    Jamski says:
    so, pretty slim
    John says:
    3.1%
    John says:
    then
    John says:
    if the PB is still going to go through
    John says:
    deployed satellites can fire
    Jamski says:
    not very likely
    Jamski says:
    oh
    Jamski says:
    so a second chance
    John says:
    only they destory themselves
    John says:
    after they fire
    John says:
    so it goes down to 0.0977%
    John says:
    so 0.1% of the PB hitting you
    John says:
    however the random number generator will probably make it more likely than that
    John says:
    or make it less likely
    John says:
    probably more likely
    Jamski says:
    probably
    Jamski says:
    but still in the very low region
    John says:
    anyway if you've got like 10 sattelites
    Jamski says:
    you need not worry about PBs
    Jamski says:
    The worry zone is between nukes and ODPs
    John says:
    and 2 PBs, it goes down to 0.000286%
    Jamski says:
    for both to get through
    John says:
    ahh you mean if the ODP attacks you?
    John says:
    I think there's a different formula when attacking between satellites
    Jamski says:
    I assume all factions will be building them

    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity has been added to the conversation.

    John says:
    I'm not so sure all the factions will be around by space flight
    Jamski says:
    We shall see
    Jamski says:
    I hope the pirates are not
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    hm...
    John says:
    no the pirates will be
    John says:
    I'm pretty sure of that
    John says:
    unless a 3 way alliance against the pirates develop
    Jamski says:
    Who will be the first to fall then?
    John says:
    Most likely the B land
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    b faction
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    yay
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    uni?
    Jamski says:
    we should aim for a 4-way allaiance agaist the Uni
    Jamski says:
    that'll be FUN
    John says:
    they won't go for that
    Jamski says:
    everyone gains
    John says:
    100% sure
    Jamski says:
    I#
    Jamski says:
    I'd join up
    John says:
    because it unbalances the power towards the hive
    Jamski says:
    but everyone would gain from it
    John says:
    while the university is in play there's enough people to offset the power of the hive
    Jamski says:
    we could agree to share the bases 4 ways
    John says:
    no the pirates would know they're giving the hive an advantage
    Jamski says:
    and even offer uneven shares as an incentive?
    John says:
    the advantage is without the university
    John says:
    the hive can keep up with the tech rate
    Jamski says:
    yes
    John says:
    and hence our industrial bonus will keep us leaders forever
    Jamski says:
    which will be nice
    John says:
    which is what the pirates would see
    Jamski says:
    BUT with the Uni as an ally...
    Jamski says:
    which I would prefer
    John says:
    I would perfer that too
    Jamski says:
    feeding techs to us untill we can turn agaist the drones
    John says:
    but it's not going to happen with the anti-university sentiment
    Jamski says:
    from whom?
    John says:
    Jamski you're impossible
    John says:
    *goes to get a glass of water*
    Jamski says:
    I want to ally with the Uni, you do, Micha does, Dario probably does - who else is there? Vev - perhaps, Hong - perhaps
    Jamski says:
    we have support for a Uni alliance
    John says:
    we do?
    Jamski says:
    we do
    Jamski says:
    count the heads
    John says:
    I always thought we hated them?
    John says:
    okay I'll do a poll
    Jamski says:
    we don't have to sleep with them or anything
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    As Kody pointed out
    Jamski says:
    but they'll be the MOST usefull allies
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    Without the Uni we gain a great advantage
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    I do not trust Archaic
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    I DON´T WANT TO ALLY WITH THE UNIVERSITY !!!!
    Jamski says:
    but in bed with the Uni is also great
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    and frankly I do not think we can sustain an alliance with him
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    I'd rather see the uni dead
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    Burn the liar!
    Jamski says:
    GT is head of the Uni now
    John says:
    there you go
    Jamski says:
    he is much more reasonable
    John says:
    Archaic was busy with tests
    Jamski says:
    so he's back?
    Jamski says:
    then forget it
    John says:
    now he's back and they've got joint leadership
    Jamski says:
    I won't ally with HIM
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    me neither
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    He´s a Communist Nazi
    Jamski says:
    I was assuming a GT lead faction
    John says:
    well GT is
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    oops, no he isn´t
    John says:
    but I think it's a joint leadership
    Jamski says:
    burn Arcahic
    John says:
    so Archaic and GT, with GT as the public face
    Jamski says:
    feed him to the dogs
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    I always confuse him with Sheep
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    :$

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    Jamski says:
    then gas the dogs and feed them to pigs
    Jamski says:
    then shoot the pigs
    Jamski says:
    then grate the pig corpses and make them into sausages
    Jamski says:
    then shoot the suasages

    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity has been added to the conversation.

    Jamski says:
    what's going on?

    Jamski has left the conversation.

    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    huh?
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    :@ Bloody ****ty MSN
    John says:
    that was just jamski playing around
    John says:
    go to bed
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    is that an order?
    John says:
    no
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    I must go temporarely as well
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    ttyk
    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery says:
    *ttyl
    John says:
    a prudent suggestion

    To meaningless French idealisms, of Liberty, Equality, & Fraternity, I present German realities of Infantry, Cavalry, & Artillery has left the conversation.

    John says:
    oh crap
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    what?
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:

    John says:
    I wrote a poll into the wrong forum
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    lol
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    link
    John says:

    John says:
    but I can't get rid of the poll options
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    lol
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    that´s great
    John says:
    hrmm
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    at least we don´t have that bloody discussion about uni-politics anymore
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:

    John says:
    hrmm yes
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    they´ll hate us for that
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    Which is good
    John says:
    have a look at the poll again
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    We need an enemy of the state
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    looooooooooooooool
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    you indeed managed to turn this around!
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    loooooooooooooool
    John says:
    well at least I'm quick on me feet
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    yay... this is great... I´m gonna writing what you really posted there
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    *write
    John says:
    if you really want to
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    nah... just kidding
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    I hoped you´d be getting angry about that
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    but you´re too much of a compromiser
    John says:
    well all that's really would effect would be our diplomatic relations you see
    John says:
    also the university might launch a surprise attack on us
    John says:
    I hate how you can't change the poll
    John says:
    did you vote in the poll?
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    nope
    John says:
    uh oh
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    :@
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    oops
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    :$
    John says:
    you did?
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    wrong smiley
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    nope
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    why should I?
    John says:
    hrmm I think someone saw it
    John says:
    No, I'm going to write in what I think here
    John says:
    someone voted for that
    John says:
    it doesn't help being absent minded like that
    John says:
    ack
    John says:
    minute mirage was the one that saw it
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    dunno him
    John says:
    he's in university
    John says:
    now we'll be wondering if he saw the original document
    John says:
    or the edited one
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    hm...
    John says:
    actually if I just keep track of the private posting
    John says:
    128 posts
    John says:
    102 visiable posts
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    did you ever work in StaSi?
    John says:
    what is that?
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    StaatsSicherheit
    John says:
    what is that
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    the eastern-German state security, they knew everything about everybody... There was a public coverage of about 90%
    John says:
    why do you say that
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    If you watched Western Capitalistic TV, they got you and you have been arrested
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    because you´re so eager to keep track of anything
    John says:
    this time it does matter
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    You know everything
    John says:
    no I don't
    John says:
    googlie probably knows everything
    John says:
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    He´s a Communist Nazi
    John says:
    *chuckle*
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    lol, I confused him with Sheep
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    he IS
    John says:
    sheep
    John says:
    that name sounds familiar
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    hm, he´s a strange person
    John says:
    he's in the hive isn't he
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    Jamski says he´s a commie, but he always plays Nazi-Germany with all that roleplay
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    he was joing us for some time, but I never saw him posting
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    I think Jamski invited him in
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    I always confuse him with GT, because these two were my "neighbours" in the Politic game
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    *diplomacy game
    John says:
    neighbours?
    John says:
    Jamski express anti-drone sentiment
    John says:
    and I posted it into the CGN
    John says:
    Jamski says:
    feeding techs to us untill we can turn agaist the drones

    John says:
    think I should edit that out
    John says:
    Jamski has gone to sleep
    John says:
    you know what I figured out a way you can keep track of how many people are looking at your thread
    John says:
    wow
    John says:
    so much activity
    John says:
    that blunder started people talking about how to do the university early game
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    Jamski posted that publically?
    John says:
    no I did
    John says:
    but I edited it out
    John says:
    Jamski keeps mentioning killing off the drones in all the MSN chats though
    Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
    lol
    John says:
    anyway cya
    John says:
    I should go back to doing work

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    Oh I give up with these chats.
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