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    Kody says:
    anything need doing?
    Voltaire says:
    In general?
    Kody says:
    not sure
    Voltaire says:
    Ah
    Voltaire says:
    Good news on the CyCon end
    Kody says:
    how did we manage to contact the cycon?
    Voltaire says:
    Corellion congratulated me on our acheivements of getting 3 SPs in such a short period of time
    Voltaire says:
    Googlie told them
    Kody says:
    contact them?
    Voltaire says:
    No
    Voltaire says:
    We have not
    Voltaire says:
    It was more informal
    Kody says:
    oh
    Kody says:
    we could have gotten a fourth next turn
    Voltaire says:
    our relations with them are not as sour as we might think
    Kody says:
    but we're pumping up our tech rate
    Voltaire says:
    when was it pushed back to again?
    Kody says:
    converting industry -> tech
    Kody says:
    hopefully
    Kody says:
    yeah
    Kody says:
    I was thinking of pushing it back a bit further
    Kody says:
    it seems nobody has loyalty
    Kody says:
    and I don't see any reason why people would want loyalty this early in the game
    Kody says:
    also I think we could play with people's minds
    Kody says:
    and have the CN building in the background
    Kody says:
    also remember how I gave a warning about having to seriously cut back on the time I was spending?
    Kody says:
    well it's starting to get to that
    Voltaire says:
    Ah
    Voltaire says:
    Indeed
    Voltaire says:
    Not to worry, we have enough people who are familiar with your aproach, at least I hope
    Voltaire says:
    We will all pitch in more
    Voltaire says:
    we have grown complacent
    Voltaire says:
    with you around
    Kody says:
    *nod*
    Voltaire says:
    it will be good to get some exercise
    Kody says:
    I can do the next turn, but maybe in another 2 turns...
    Kody says:
    I'm not sure, but I think I can start leaving instructions
    Kody says:
    and with the simulator it should be fairly easy to practise
    Kody says:
    the main part is checking the boards constantly and talking to people
    Kody says:
    so no more foreign faction observations from me
    Voltaire says:
    I will do my best to coordinate
    Voltaire says:
    we're all in different timezones so it's hard to catch everyone online at once
    Voltaire says:
    Jamski is usualy on earlier in the day (for me anyway)
    Voltaire says:
    you're on later at night, again from my perspective
    Kody says:
    first part will be just organising which tasks should be done
    Voltaire says:
    Vev is ALWAYS on
    Voltaire says:
    so he can help
    Voltaire says:
    Micha and Octavian are on frequently as well
    Kody says:
    like on a day to day basis
    Kody says:
    it's pretty quiet at the moment
    Kody says:
    no diplomancy being worked
    Kody says:
    and all the roleplay stuff is pretty dead
    Voltaire says:
    Indeed, a sad state really
    Voltaire says:
    Though
    Voltaire says:
    Well we do a lot of RP on MSN
    Kody says:
    I should be able to continue to write preturns for a while
    Kody says:
    in fact I'm bringing this up now, because I want to slowly phase out
    Kody says:
    that way it's not a sudden and unexpected burden
    Kody says:
    for the last 2 weeks I've been attempting to slowly get other people to organise many of the things
    Kody says:
    but the thing is people still talk to me first when they want to know something.
    Kody says:
    or do something
    Voltaire says:
    Again, complacincy has a lot to do with it
    Voltaire says:
    It would be good if you got them out of the habit
    Voltaire says:
    In reality you make all the important decisions
    Voltaire says:
    The system works so well no one needs to do anything, at least they feel that way
    Kody says:
    yeah but that means someone else needs to start doing it, or they have to see the system dramatically fail
    Voltaire says:
    Indeed
    Voltaire says:
    A return to the old system seems imporbable
    Voltaire says:
    Given the low number of people
    Voltaire says:
    Then again
    Voltaire says:
    If enough are online
    Voltaire says:
    it can be done
    Kody says:
    what was the old system?
    Voltaire says:
    Essentialy we would run turnchats where all the decisions would be made
    Voltaire says:
    Similar to now
    Voltaire says:
    But the preturn planning was minimal
    Voltaire says:
    generaly restructed to strategies
    Voltaire says:
    rather than specific tactics
    Kody says:
    oh okay
    Kody says:
    I estimate I have about another 1 month
    Kody says:
    as long as I stop reading all the spam regularly, and don't try to run anything time consuming (aside from the turns).
    Voltaire says:
    1 month before?
    Kody says:
    yeah I plan ahead
    Kody says:
    I've been thinking about making myself less essential for the last 2 months, and have been dropping hints to everyone for that long
    Voltaire says:
    Ah
    Voltaire says:
    Indeed it would be a good idea, you should take the role of more an observer
    Kody says:
    well I mean last month rather
    Voltaire says:
    where you simply give small hints
    Voltaire says:
    when people go off track
    Kody says:
    after next turn I'm hoping to write a comprehensive turn update and then get people to play the moves in the simulator.
    Voltaire says:
    good idea
    Voltaire says:
    the simulator will make things very easy
    Voltaire says:
    or at least easier
    Kody says:
    maybe Jamski, or vev (vev is actually good at exact work)
    Voltaire says:
    Indeed, just tell me how do you get him to actualy do it?
    Kody says:
    well vev was smarter than me
    Kody says:
    and realised how time comsuming the job was
    Voltaire says:
    was, as in past tense?
    Voltaire says:
    ah
    Voltaire says:
    i see
    Voltaire says:
    i will let you finish before jumping to conclusions
    Kody says:
    so he's been steering well clear
    Kody says:
    but I'm sure he would be willing to help now and again.
    Kody says:
    the trick would be getting a few people to practise
    Kody says:
    then it wouldn't matter who runs the turn
    Kody says:
    just as long as the turn update is done well
    Kody says:
    and the simulator is kept updated as well as it can
    Kody says:
    I can probably come in and adjust the turn simulator now and again.
    Voltaire says:
    alright
    Kody says:
    the main thing is I really need to stop thinking about the game 24/7
    Voltaire says:
    LOL
    Voltaire says:
    Indeed
    Voltaire says:
    Well
    Voltaire says:
    I will do my share
    Voltaire says:
    I will take it upon myself to organize all these efforts
    Kody says:
    one of the bad things about the ACDG
    Kody says:
    is we don't have set times for doing the turns
    Kody says:
    so I can't say "I'm going to always set aside these days, and not think about the ACDG"
    Voltaire says:
    well
    Voltaire says:
    i know of a way we can solve the problem
    Voltaire says:
    we have 5 human faction
    Voltaire says:
    assign them each a day of the week the turn must be in
    Kody says:
    it wouldn't really work
    Voltaire says:
    how so?
    Kody says:
    well if you could organise that
    Kody says:
    that would be great
    Kody says:
    although it would slow down the turn rate by by maybe 30%
    Voltaire says:
    true, since saturday's/sunday's would be left out
    Voltaire says:
    but it would make them predictable
    Kody says:
    at the moment it's hard enough for them to enforce the 48 hour rule
    Voltaire says:
    Google needs to get stricter
    Voltaire says:
    if he were to do that
    Voltaire says:
    more people would fall in line
    Kody says:
    googlie doesn't want to be a nazi
    Kody says:
    that's understandable
    Voltaire says:
    True, but it is becoming a problem.
    Kody says:
    tassadar would be willing, but that requires popular opinion to allow him to be the nazi
    Kody says:
    anyway the way I figure it
    Kody says:
    If preturns are done
    Kody says:
    and several hive members know how to run the game from the preturn
    Kody says:
    then it means anyone that's around can play the turn
    Kody says:
    and all the organisation can be at certain times of the week
    Kody says:
    maybe reduced to 2 days people need to help organise per week.
    Voltaire says:
    Hmm
    Voltaire says:
    That would work.
    Voltaire says:
    Set the pre-turn chats to the weekend, since more people are likely to be avalibale then
    Voltaire says:
    I will inquire with people as to when they are free
    Kody says:
    we really need two days
    Kody says:
    since the turn rate is about every 5 days
    Voltaire says:
    Sat/Sun
    Voltaire says:
    oh
    Voltaire says:
    right
    Voltaire says:
    i see what you're getting at
    Kody says:
    unless we organise 2 turns at a time
    Kody says:
    but that's difficult
    Kody says:
    because of random effects
    Voltaire says:
    indeed
    Kody says:
    like a unit doesn't quite make it
    Kody says:
    or a forest grows
    Voltaire says:
    well i must be going to bed at the moment, a shame i don't have more time... what is the time difference between here and australia?
    Kody says:
    or a fungual bloom
    Voltaire says:
    I'm in GMT -7
    Kody says:
    it's 4:00pm here
    Kody says:
    GMT +10
    Voltaire says:
    12 AM here
    Kody says:
    so 8 hours difference
    Kody says:
    actually 16 hours difference
    Voltaire says:
    Are you on around noonish your time?
    Kody says:
    depends if I'm working or not
    Kody says:
    2pm wednesdays are usually fine
    Kody says:
    I have a meeting around noon on wednesday
    Voltaire says:
    alright we will have to work this scheduel out sometime, i will collect everyone's information, and plan the turnchats around that
    Voltaire says:
    in order to optimize the number of people present
    Voltaire says:
    but i really must be off to bed now
    Voltaire says:
    good night
    Kody says:
    okay goodnight
    Last edited by Vev; September 30, 2003, 02:38.

  • #2
    Ooh my colour idea seems to work. Instant identification. Just need to be careful what background people has.
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    • #3
      When does the Chairman come online? I've been meaning to speak with him...
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      • #4
        It looks good on my background Vev. Continue in this manner and you can expect a reward

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        • #5
          YAY!

          As for the online times:
          I am usually available from 7pm to 1am my time, which is GMT+1.
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          • #6
            Kody says:
            at the moment it's hard enough for them to enforce the 48 hour rule
            Voltaire says:
            Google needs to get stricter
            Voltaire says:
            if he were to do that
            Voltaire says:
            more people would fall in line
            Kody says:
            googlie doesn't want to be a nazi
            Kody says:
            that's understandable
            Voltaire says:
            True, but it is becoming a problem.
            The delays are mainly due to inter-faction negotiations where factions, being democratic, run internal polls to accept/modify/reject trade offers.

            Without destroying the nature of a "democracy game" I don't see how I can enforce a rush on these decisions. Not everyone has the luxury of a Hive-Drone unique forum to discuss things in advance

            G.

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            • #7
              There's not a turn that goes by where at least 1 faction doesn't hold the turn. I used to think they were trading every time they held the turn, but it's getting to the point of ridiculous.

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              • #8
                I'm online now Comrade Tass. But indeed lately I have been offline longer than usual, papers to write, tests to study for, and the like.
                You can only curse me to eternal damnation for so long!

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