MSN - 25/Sep/2003

[Kody]

HongHu says:
John I tried the colony pod trick and it didn't work!
John says:
which one
HongHu says:
you build a pod and let it join the base
John says:
yep
John says:
?
HongHu says:
I thought then you'll have 3 pop growth
John says:
nope
HongHu says:
but it didn't
John says:
you need to build 3 colony pods
HongHu says:
oh
John says:
abandon base
John says:
rebuild base
HongHu says:
and you still have a base with 3 pop then
John says:
that gives you 2 population
HongHu says:
so it gives you more bases
John says:
yeah that too
John says:
so you build 3 colony pods
HongHu says:
what gives you 2 pop?
John says:
when you use one colony pod to replant the base
John says:
you get 2 pop from the PTS
HongHu says:
yes that's true
HongHu says:
hmmm
John says:
and the extra 10 minerals too
HongHu says:
I'm out of place to build new bases
HongHu says:
ok I'll see
John says:
you can send the other 2 colony pods to older bases
HongHu says:
thanks for the claification
HongHu says:
oh and still get +1 pop
HongHu says:
that's right
HongHu says:
good
John says:
basically you want to boost the cities that have alot of food to 5 population
John says:
then you can use specialists
HongHu says:
oh now after you have 5 pop
John says:
basically that's what I'm doing with the Hive
HongHu says:
can all the specialist be librarains?
John says:
yep
HongHu says:
or do you still need doctors
HongHu says:
ok
HongHu says:
alright I get it thanks!
John says:
you might need anti-drone facilities
HongHu says:
nah
HongHu says:
I have police unit
John says:
what I'm doing with the ACDG Hive
HongHu says:
I'll use 2 police
John says:
is letting two our of nut rich cities grow to 4
HongHu says:
and at least 1 specialist
HongHu says:
that'll do
John says:
then sending two recently popped colony pods
HongHu says:
our hive doesn't have police ability yet
John says:
to make them 5
John says:
then I make librarians
HongHu says:
good strategy
John says:
and network node
John says:
so we get roughly 10 extra labs in each of those size 5 cities
HongHu says:
so network node is pretty high in your building list?
John says:
15 labs in each of those cities
HongHu says:
uh huh
John says:
well network node for the mini science cities
HongHu says:
I was thinking about what to build first, children's creshe, tree farm, nodes, army ...
John says:
depend what you need
HongHu says:
you mean for the ones with librarains
HongHu says:
well I need to destroy morgan
John says:
children's creche is good for front line defending a city
HongHu says:
but it is on the other end of the world
HongHu says:
why ?
John says:
recycling tanks are good too
HongHu says:
I thought it only gives you some growth and effeciency
John says:
depends on what you need
HongHu says:
yea I've those
John says:
it also cancels the morale negatives
HongHu says:
children creshe?
John says:
yep
HongHu says:
oh good
John says:
if you're running wealth
HongHu says:
yep
John says:
and you have children's creche
John says:
the wealth penalty is removed
HongHu says:
ahh I remember it now
John says:
but that's only if the unit is in the city
HongHu says:
although I have CN too
HongHu says:
wouldn't that already helped
John says:
well the children's creche adds to the CN bonus
HongHu says:
I really want to know if CC has built anything
John says:
well if you're attacking someone at the front door of your base children's creche gives a bonus too
John says:
Cycon?
HongHu says:
yes
John says:
lots of probes
HongHu says:
in my pbem once everybody is building SPs
HongHu says:
and I was the third and was really really scared that the first two guys will finish theirs
HongHu says:
and I will have nothing left for me
HongHu says:
fortunetaly rubin didn't finish his
John says:
that's happening to the cycon and university we hope
HongHu says:
you know if we are preparing for VW
HongHu says:
but CC gets VW and we have to build CN
John says:
yeah?
HongHu says:
it has lower cost so will there be quite some waste of minerals?
John says:
it was a risk
HongHu says:
yea
John says:
chairman said it was an acceptable risk
HongHu says:
well we have to take that risk anyways
HongHu says:
there's no way to turn back
John says:
since we've already passed the turn on
HongHu says:
we have to try our best to get it
HongHu says:
right
HongHu says:
if we don't we just have to live with it
John says:
*nod*
John says:
like we missed out on the WP
HongHu says:
yea I know
HongHu says:
and we dealt with that pretty good actually
John says:
still HGP/PTS/VW
John says:
would be nice
HongHu says:
yes
HongHu says:
definitely
HongHu says:
you know I really think the timing is too coincidential
John says:
what do you mean?
HongHu says:
makes one wonder if somebody knows our plan
John says:
like how the cycon decided to build the VW straight before us?
HongHu says:
yes
John says:
hrmm
John says:
we could ask googlie
HongHu says:
why would he know?
John says:
to see if the cycon have did anything suspicious
HongHu says:
you mean from the private forum
John says:
*nod*
HongHu says:
discussions
HongHu says:
yes that's a good point
John says:
you know losing the WP was a boon for us
HongHu says:
although if it is really the case I doubt they'll make it public in their forum
HongHu says:
boon?
John says:
because if we had gotten the WP, we probably wouldn't have accumulated the industry for the other SPs
HongHu says:
yes that's true
John says:
Being forced to wait made our industry heaps better
HongHu says:
yes that's why they always say Sai Wong Shi Ma An Zhi Fei Fu
HongHu says:
you know that one?
John says:
nope
HongHu says:
there is this old guy
John says:
feel too tired to translate
HongHu says:
he lost one of his horse
HongHu says:
his neighbors was wondering why he wasn't sad
HongHu says:
he said how do you know if this is not a good thing
HongHu says:
and surely the next day
HongHu says:
it came back with another horse
HongHu says:
but now he got worried
John says:
hrmm
HongHu says:
and he said how do you know if this is not a bad thing
HongHu says:
and yep the next day his son was riding the new horse
John says:
yeah getting all those SPs is bad for us diplomatically
HongHu says:
and fell and broke his legs
HongHu says:
and then he got happy again
HongHu says:
people were more confused
HongHu says:
but then the war happens
HongHu says:
and his son was able to stay home because the broken leg
HongHu says:

HongHu says:
So anything could have two aspects
John says:
so the morale of this story is war with other factions is good then?
HongHu says:
lol
John says:
because we lost the WP, but got the PTS,HGP
John says:
but that made us too powerful
John says:
so the war happens
John says:
but because of the war we conquor everyone?
HongHu says:
and it may be a good thing ...
HongHu says:
yep
John says:
optimist
HongHu says:
lol I'm always a optimist
HongHu says:
never worry for something that has not happened
John says:
so you reckon the cycon are doing something dodgy?
HongHu says:
I don't know, just suspecting
HongHu says:
I need to go
HongHu says:
baby's crying
John says:
maybe PM googlie
HongHu says:
the forum is quiet lately
HongHu says:
ttyl
John says:
cya

[Vev]

Can you please bold the names? It is more pleasing on the eye and flow of thoughts.

[Googlie]

[quote]John says:
we could ask googlie
HongHu says:
why would he know?
John says:
to see if the cycon have did anything suspicious

Pure co-incidence. They simply waited until their support infrastructure was in place. Their intention has been from the start to try for the VW (but the Hive's 1-turn completion of your 2 SPs put some fire in their bellies)

G.

[Kody]

Arghh you mean they beat us to the VW!

[Kody]

[Kody]

I had to get greedy and wait another turn so we could accumulate more industry.

[Vev]

And you would be as bold as to tell us this?

[Kody]

Those 2 SPs in turn 2136 was really beautifully planned.

It was planned a month in advance. The build date was set back in 2131.

The PTS was specifically built in a base that is early in the base list. The base also didn't have any Bdrone problems so it wouldn't riot from the PTS growth.

The growth factor and new worker placement was worked out for every subsequent base, and the HGP was built just before the newer bases that would riot. Also the terraformers had been specifically assigned to build the forests and ensure there were enough nuts.

The extra minerals from the new workers were factored in and it was these extra workers that allowed for the HGP and another of our crawlers to build that turn.

Over a month in planning and replanning of real life time, and 10 years of building crawlers for that momement. Everyone in the Hive was just waiting for the reaction of the other teams at us building 2 SPs in a turn. It's good to hear we got at least one faction in a ruckus.

[Googlie]

see my response to the other thread here

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Kody
I had to get greedy and wait another turn so we could accumulate more industry.

Don't beat yourself too hard Kody. It was a democratic desion. Also we don't know if they have built it yet. It is always good to have two plans prepared, but I won't start to cry until I see the real thing. Who knows although CyCon knows we'll instabuild, maybe they just don't have that strength. And on the bright side, if they have built the VW, it may be actually a bad thing for them. For the university will really hate them now.

[Voltaire]

And that is why democracy doesn't work.

Let us not despair just yet.

[Snowflake]

I'm not gonna mention who made the final decision dear Chairman.

[Jamski]

I will....

/me points finger accusingly *

And I might mention who was in favour of building it earlier...

-Jam

[Snowflake]

Lighten up Jamski. And they have not built the VW yet. Don't get too excited will you?

[Jamski]

I'm not getting too worked up am I?

Anyway, we'll wait and see what happens, eh? We may be lucky and noone will have their head bitten off, which will make my dentist happy at least

-Jam