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Kody says:
did someone keep the turn chat?
Kody says:
because I didn't save it
HongHu says:
oops no
HongHu says:
sorry
HongHu says:
ask vev
Kody says:
well we only need 1 person
Kody says:
not sure
Kody says:
he quit the conversation
Voltaire says:
Hmm
Voltaire says:
Let me check
Voltaire says:
It might be in my chat logs
HongHu says:
I left it open when I played my pbem and when I came back it was inactive so I thought all is over and closed it
Kody says:
that's okay
Kody says:
I've got an idea
Kody says:
mobility, and pirate's votes for governer
Kody says:
in exchange for drone comm-link, biogenetics, applied
Voltaire says:
That seems more than fair
Voltaire says:
except
Voltaire says:
biogenics has lost most of its value, particularly to the pirates who have ready made recycling tanks
Voltaire says:
and how do we guarantee that they vote for us?
Kody says:
we really only want mobility
Voltaire says:
We have to go on their word?
Kody says:
without telling them that
Voltaire says:
true
Kody says:
the votes are just a bonus
Kody says:
but we don't want them to know that
Voltaire says:
Alright
Voltaire says:
BTW
Voltaire says:
speaking of planetary govenor
Voltaire says:
what are our chances of getting the seat?
Voltaire says:
if i recall correctly
Kody says:
depends on how many human factions vote for us
Voltaire says:
googlie set it up that the AI will most likely get it during first council
Voltaire says:
Well the Drones
Kody says:
with PTS it should be possible
Voltaire says:
so we have one guaranteed vote
Kody says:
however how likely will depend on other factions
Voltaire says:
true
Voltaire says:
we need to press the issue when it arrives, that we'd be a better option for PG than the AI
HongHu says:
that proposal sounds like someting we could try
Voltaire says:
we can get the CyCon onside
Voltaire says:
as for the Pirates and Uni, i'm not sure
HongHu says:
we are actually only offereing ap
Kody says:
that's why we make that mobility and votes trade
Kody says:
yeah I know
HongHu says:
the drone commlink and biogen is nothing
HongHu says:
to the peace
Voltaire says:
Should we wait for them to get back on our current offer, we do not want to seem too desperate...
HongHu says:
but throw them together look like we are giving them a bigger package
Kody says:
heh
Voltaire says:
If they accept so be it, if they decline, then we present this counteroofer
Kody says:
okay that's probably the best idea
Voltaire says:
*counteroffer
HongHu says:
and asking for mob plus votes disguise the intention of getting mob
HongHu says:
if they give us the vote that's even better although I don't think they would
Kody says:
well we've already asked them to make us an offer
Kody says:
I could probably reload a different turn up without the diplomancy
Voltaire says:
? reload a different turn up without the diplomancy??
HongHu says:
yes chairman is right that we don't want to appear too eager
Kody says:
well I'm on a completely different computer now
Voltaire says:
ah
Kody says:
so I can load the final game file
Kody says:
and remove the diplomancy
HongHu says:
so what do you hope to accomplish
Kody says:
then resend
Kody says:
well if we made a mistake
HongHu says:
oh I see
Kody says:
remember we offered the drone comm link
Kody says:
and asked what they wanted for mobility
Voltaire says:
hmm
Voltaire says:
well we could
Voltaire says:
but it would have to be quick
HongHu says:
agree there
Voltaire says:
given that no one has yet downloaded hte file
Voltaire says:
well 1 person has
Voltaire says:
and that was me
Kody says:
well do we want to keep that current diplomancy in there
Voltaire says:
by accident
HongHu says:
I was wondering too
HongHu says:
ok what do we have now again?
Kody says:
we offered drone comm link for 20 ECs
HongHu says:
ok
HongHu says:
and?
Kody says:
and asked if they were willing to trade for mobility
HongHu says:
I see
Voltaire says:
hmm
Voltaire says:
if the Pirates prove uncooperative
Voltaire says:
which they might (why did the CyCon have problems with them?)
Voltaire says:
we need to look for alternatives
Kody says:
because apparently the pirates are very uncooperative
Kody says:
it seems they only make trades where they get a clear advantage
Voltaire says:
we need to get the CyCon commlink
HongHu says:
are we sure cc have problem with them or are they just acting
Kody says:
that's what the cycon said
Kody says:
no chance that they'll give us that I've realised
HongHu says:
what did they say exactly?
Kody says:
they want the trading monopoly
Voltaire says:
Well **** that
Voltaire says:
if they indeed are going to be like that we need to circumvent them completely
Kody says:
try for mobility
Kody says:
if not
HongHu says:
I agree with john that they won't give us that
Kody says:
then we just leave pirates out of our planning
Voltaire says:
we need to break the pirates hold on flexibility
HongHu says:
try get us whatever we can and that's it
Voltaire says:
alright, so we try to get what we can from the pirates...
HongHu says:
that may mean mobility and that's it
Voltaire says:
indeed
HongHu says:
we need to see how much do we want to give them in addition to ap
Voltaire says:
but if the pirates are indeed going to be this uncooperative we need to break the hold on flexibility and get the other factions out on the seas as well, that will considerably weaken the pirates
Voltaire says:
since as it stands
Voltaire says:
they really do have a hold on trade
Voltaire says:
they are keeping the comnlinks to themselves
Voltaire says:
and not giving up flexibility (this is understandable)
Voltaire says:
except
Voltaire says:
they cannot seriously expect other factions to trade with them if they are not willing to compromise
HongHu says:
I agree
Voltaire says:
Oh well
Voltaire says:
in the words of Napoleon:
Voltaire says:
"Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake."
Voltaire says:
The Pirates will bring about their own downfall if they continue down this path.
HongHu says:
oops got to go
HongHu says:
ttyl
Voltaire says:
ttyl
HongHu has left the conversation.
Voltaire says:
another issue which we need to discuss
Kody says:
yep
Voltaire says:
How do we handle the reactions from the other factions when they discover that we've constructed 2 SP's this turn?
Kody says:
not sure
Voltaire says:
Furthermore, how do we handle things when we build the VW, and then possibly the CN?
Kody says:
depends on what they say
Voltaire says:
I doubt they will say anything in public.
Kody says:
"Go +3 industry!"
Voltaire says:
lol
Kody says:
we could release our strategy notes on crawlers
Voltaire says:
I noticed no one has made any announcements as to our accomplishments...
Voltaire says:
No
Kody says:
that's because nobody realises
Kody says:
they probably think we finished one and just started the other
Voltaire says:
True, well we will see the public reactions in the next few days as each of the factions completes their turn.
Voltaire says:
I must admit that I will be taking some pleasure in watching to see what they say.
Kody says:
hrmm there hasn't been any MSN discussions posted recently
Voltaire says:
Have we had any recently?
Voltaire says:
In the past few days that is?
Kody says:
even the turn chat went missing
Kody says:
we've had a couple
Kody says:
just nobody posts them
Voltaire says:
The question becomes does anyone read them?
Kody says:
*nod*
Kody says:
they do
Kody says:
Vev, HongHu, Jamski, Octavian, Googlie
Kody says:
I read the ones I'm not involved in too
Kody says:
I haven't seen micha comment on a MSN chat though
Voltaire says:
Yes, I routenely go through the old ones to see if there's anything I missed.
Voltaire says:
Well we must be sure to post this one...
Kody says:
yes indeed someone should start taking responsibility for posting them.
Voltaire says:
I will gladly post the one i attend
Voltaire says:
i archive them all
Voltaire says:
which reminds me
Voltaire says:
let me check if i still have the turnchat
Kody says:
I'm just posting the turn update
Kody says:
I need to sort out some land rights with buster
Kody says:
buster raised land again
Kody says:
well earthquaked to more specific
Voltaire says:
is the Drone continent now connected to ours?
Kody says:
yeah by like 8 squares of land
Kody says:
the drones got a double earthquake
Kody says:
the inland sea is much smaller now too
Voltaire says:
well old land right
Voltaire says:
land rights should apply
Kody says:
yeah but they're raised so much land
Kody says:
that there's new coastal squares that are on our side now
Voltaire says:
do you have a map i can take a look at?
Kody says:
http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Kody/TurnUpdate_2136.jpg
Voltaire says:
hmm
Voltaire says:
well on the one had the land claims hardly seem to be that great of an issue given the fact that we will permipact
Voltaire says:
if it were not the case
Voltaire says:
i would be insisting on lowering the land in order to create a natural boundary between our two nations
Voltaire says:
BTW
Voltaire says:
have the Drones brought up the issue of the land yet?
Kody says:
nope
Kody says:
I don't think it really matters in a permipact
Voltaire says:
true
Kody says:
however I want to know exactly where I have to stop expanding
Kody says:
and we might need to trade a few squares between us
Voltaire says:
lol if we really want to RP this out we can enter into a sort of union like Czechoslovakia
Voltaire says:
indeed
Kody says:
Drone's don't have the resources to roleplay it out
Kody says:
and neither do we
Kody says:
the pirates party didn't get done
Kody says:
and I don't have the time to write it
Voltaire says:
what we may want to do
Voltaire says:
is each of us build two bases aproximately where the border is right now
Voltaire says:
and use those two as the joint command centers for our military operations
Kody says:
hrmm
Kody says:
that has very little strategic value
Voltaire says:
hmm true
Kody says:
although I except we'll be trading chassis
Voltaire says:
where was the old boundary?
Kody says:
the channel
Kody says:
but they're raised some land for us on our side of the channel
Kody says:
wondering if the land belongs to them or to us, don't want to offend them by assuming wrongly
Voltaire says:
well as mentioned before, it's a minor detail
Voltaire says:
we should bring it up though
Voltaire says:
better to have it out in the open and resolved
Voltaire says:
rather than make mistakes later
Kody says:
yep
Kody says:
minor detail but should be resolved
Voltaire says:
oh well we will be permipacted
Voltaire says:
if this occured with any other faction
Voltaire says:
i would be insisting for either a lowering of the land
Voltaire says:
or an invasion
Voltaire says:
i hate sharing landmasses for some reason
Kody says:
we would be gearing up to go to war I think
Voltaire says:
speaking of raising and lowering land
Kody says:
I dislike sharing landmass too
Voltaire says:
how are our own plans for the Jamski Penisular coming?
Kody says:
need ecological engineering
Voltaire says:
yes, i mean more in the terms of do we have enough formers to do it?
Kody says:
oh we'll have plenty by the time that comes around
Voltaire says:
alright good
Kody says:
will just be a matter of moving them into position
Voltaire says:
so the plans for the isolated naval base are still on
Voltaire says:
actualy
Kody says:
well yes
Voltaire says:
the raised landmasses by the drones have certanly helped a long way to getting that acomplished
Kody says:
but it's all very long run
Voltaire says:
except now
Voltaire says:
we need to find an alternate exit point
Voltaire says:
i must be off to eat at the moment
Voltaire says:
we will continue this later
Kody says:
well they could have raised land lower down and gotten a larger inland sea
Kody says:
okay
Voltaire says:
should i post the turn now?
Voltaire says:
sorry
Voltaire says:
the chat
Kody says:
sure
did someone keep the turn chat?
Kody says:
because I didn't save it
HongHu says:
oops no
HongHu says:
sorry
HongHu says:
ask vev
Kody says:
well we only need 1 person
Kody says:
not sure
Kody says:
he quit the conversation
Voltaire says:
Hmm
Voltaire says:
Let me check
Voltaire says:
It might be in my chat logs
HongHu says:
I left it open when I played my pbem and when I came back it was inactive so I thought all is over and closed it
Kody says:
that's okay
Kody says:
I've got an idea
Kody says:
mobility, and pirate's votes for governer
Kody says:
in exchange for drone comm-link, biogenetics, applied
Voltaire says:
That seems more than fair
Voltaire says:
except
Voltaire says:
biogenics has lost most of its value, particularly to the pirates who have ready made recycling tanks
Voltaire says:
and how do we guarantee that they vote for us?
Kody says:
we really only want mobility
Voltaire says:
We have to go on their word?
Kody says:
without telling them that
Voltaire says:
true
Kody says:
the votes are just a bonus
Kody says:
but we don't want them to know that
Voltaire says:
Alright
Voltaire says:
BTW
Voltaire says:
speaking of planetary govenor
Voltaire says:
what are our chances of getting the seat?
Voltaire says:
if i recall correctly
Kody says:
depends on how many human factions vote for us
Voltaire says:
googlie set it up that the AI will most likely get it during first council
Voltaire says:
Well the Drones
Kody says:
with PTS it should be possible
Voltaire says:
so we have one guaranteed vote
Kody says:
however how likely will depend on other factions
Voltaire says:
true
Voltaire says:
we need to press the issue when it arrives, that we'd be a better option for PG than the AI
HongHu says:
that proposal sounds like someting we could try
Voltaire says:
we can get the CyCon onside
Voltaire says:
as for the Pirates and Uni, i'm not sure
HongHu says:
we are actually only offereing ap
Kody says:
that's why we make that mobility and votes trade
Kody says:
yeah I know
HongHu says:
the drone commlink and biogen is nothing
HongHu says:
to the peace
Voltaire says:
Should we wait for them to get back on our current offer, we do not want to seem too desperate...
HongHu says:
but throw them together look like we are giving them a bigger package
Kody says:
heh
Voltaire says:
If they accept so be it, if they decline, then we present this counteroofer
Kody says:
okay that's probably the best idea
Voltaire says:
*counteroffer
HongHu says:
and asking for mob plus votes disguise the intention of getting mob
HongHu says:
if they give us the vote that's even better although I don't think they would
Kody says:
well we've already asked them to make us an offer
Kody says:
I could probably reload a different turn up without the diplomancy
Voltaire says:
? reload a different turn up without the diplomancy??
HongHu says:
yes chairman is right that we don't want to appear too eager
Kody says:
well I'm on a completely different computer now
Voltaire says:
ah
Kody says:
so I can load the final game file
Kody says:
and remove the diplomancy
HongHu says:
so what do you hope to accomplish
Kody says:
then resend
Kody says:
well if we made a mistake
HongHu says:
oh I see
Kody says:
remember we offered the drone comm link
Kody says:
and asked what they wanted for mobility
Voltaire says:
hmm
Voltaire says:
well we could
Voltaire says:
but it would have to be quick
HongHu says:
agree there
Voltaire says:
given that no one has yet downloaded hte file
Voltaire says:
well 1 person has
Voltaire says:
and that was me
Kody says:
well do we want to keep that current diplomancy in there
Voltaire says:
by accident
HongHu says:
I was wondering too
HongHu says:
ok what do we have now again?
Kody says:
we offered drone comm link for 20 ECs
HongHu says:
ok
HongHu says:
and?
Kody says:
and asked if they were willing to trade for mobility
HongHu says:
I see
Voltaire says:
hmm
Voltaire says:
if the Pirates prove uncooperative
Voltaire says:
which they might (why did the CyCon have problems with them?)
Voltaire says:
we need to look for alternatives
Kody says:
because apparently the pirates are very uncooperative
Kody says:
it seems they only make trades where they get a clear advantage
Voltaire says:
we need to get the CyCon commlink
HongHu says:
are we sure cc have problem with them or are they just acting
Kody says:
that's what the cycon said
Kody says:
no chance that they'll give us that I've realised
HongHu says:
what did they say exactly?
Kody says:
they want the trading monopoly
Voltaire says:
Well **** that
Voltaire says:
if they indeed are going to be like that we need to circumvent them completely
Kody says:
try for mobility
Kody says:
if not
HongHu says:
I agree with john that they won't give us that
Kody says:
then we just leave pirates out of our planning
Voltaire says:
we need to break the pirates hold on flexibility
HongHu says:
try get us whatever we can and that's it
Voltaire says:
alright, so we try to get what we can from the pirates...
HongHu says:
that may mean mobility and that's it
Voltaire says:
indeed
HongHu says:
we need to see how much do we want to give them in addition to ap
Voltaire says:
but if the pirates are indeed going to be this uncooperative we need to break the hold on flexibility and get the other factions out on the seas as well, that will considerably weaken the pirates
Voltaire says:
since as it stands
Voltaire says:
they really do have a hold on trade
Voltaire says:
they are keeping the comnlinks to themselves
Voltaire says:
and not giving up flexibility (this is understandable)
Voltaire says:
except
Voltaire says:
they cannot seriously expect other factions to trade with them if they are not willing to compromise
HongHu says:
I agree
Voltaire says:
Oh well
Voltaire says:
in the words of Napoleon:
Voltaire says:
"Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake."
Voltaire says:
The Pirates will bring about their own downfall if they continue down this path.
HongHu says:
oops got to go
HongHu says:
ttyl
Voltaire says:
ttyl
HongHu has left the conversation.
Voltaire says:
another issue which we need to discuss
Kody says:
yep
Voltaire says:
How do we handle the reactions from the other factions when they discover that we've constructed 2 SP's this turn?
Kody says:
not sure
Voltaire says:
Furthermore, how do we handle things when we build the VW, and then possibly the CN?
Kody says:
depends on what they say
Voltaire says:
I doubt they will say anything in public.
Kody says:
"Go +3 industry!"
Voltaire says:
lol
Kody says:
we could release our strategy notes on crawlers
Voltaire says:
I noticed no one has made any announcements as to our accomplishments...
Voltaire says:
No
Kody says:
that's because nobody realises
Kody says:
they probably think we finished one and just started the other
Voltaire says:
True, well we will see the public reactions in the next few days as each of the factions completes their turn.
Voltaire says:
I must admit that I will be taking some pleasure in watching to see what they say.
Kody says:
hrmm there hasn't been any MSN discussions posted recently
Voltaire says:
Have we had any recently?
Voltaire says:
In the past few days that is?
Kody says:
even the turn chat went missing
Kody says:
we've had a couple
Kody says:
just nobody posts them
Voltaire says:
The question becomes does anyone read them?
Kody says:
*nod*
Kody says:
they do
Kody says:
Vev, HongHu, Jamski, Octavian, Googlie
Kody says:
I read the ones I'm not involved in too
Kody says:
I haven't seen micha comment on a MSN chat though
Voltaire says:
Yes, I routenely go through the old ones to see if there's anything I missed.
Voltaire says:
Well we must be sure to post this one...
Kody says:
yes indeed someone should start taking responsibility for posting them.
Voltaire says:
I will gladly post the one i attend
Voltaire says:
i archive them all
Voltaire says:
which reminds me
Voltaire says:
let me check if i still have the turnchat
Kody says:
I'm just posting the turn update
Kody says:
I need to sort out some land rights with buster
Kody says:
buster raised land again
Kody says:
well earthquaked to more specific
Voltaire says:
is the Drone continent now connected to ours?
Kody says:
yeah by like 8 squares of land
Kody says:
the drones got a double earthquake
Kody says:
the inland sea is much smaller now too
Voltaire says:
well old land right
Voltaire says:
land rights should apply
Kody says:
yeah but they're raised so much land
Kody says:
that there's new coastal squares that are on our side now
Voltaire says:
do you have a map i can take a look at?
Kody says:
http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Kody/TurnUpdate_2136.jpg
Voltaire says:
hmm
Voltaire says:
well on the one had the land claims hardly seem to be that great of an issue given the fact that we will permipact
Voltaire says:
if it were not the case
Voltaire says:
i would be insisting on lowering the land in order to create a natural boundary between our two nations
Voltaire says:
BTW
Voltaire says:
have the Drones brought up the issue of the land yet?
Kody says:
nope
Kody says:
I don't think it really matters in a permipact
Voltaire says:
true
Kody says:
however I want to know exactly where I have to stop expanding
Kody says:
and we might need to trade a few squares between us
Voltaire says:
lol if we really want to RP this out we can enter into a sort of union like Czechoslovakia
Voltaire says:
indeed
Kody says:
Drone's don't have the resources to roleplay it out
Kody says:
and neither do we
Kody says:
the pirates party didn't get done
Kody says:
and I don't have the time to write it
Voltaire says:
what we may want to do
Voltaire says:
is each of us build two bases aproximately where the border is right now
Voltaire says:
and use those two as the joint command centers for our military operations
Kody says:
hrmm
Kody says:
that has very little strategic value
Voltaire says:
hmm true
Kody says:
although I except we'll be trading chassis
Voltaire says:
where was the old boundary?
Kody says:
the channel
Kody says:
but they're raised some land for us on our side of the channel
Kody says:
wondering if the land belongs to them or to us, don't want to offend them by assuming wrongly
Voltaire says:
well as mentioned before, it's a minor detail
Voltaire says:
we should bring it up though
Voltaire says:
better to have it out in the open and resolved
Voltaire says:
rather than make mistakes later
Kody says:
yep
Kody says:
minor detail but should be resolved
Voltaire says:
oh well we will be permipacted
Voltaire says:
if this occured with any other faction
Voltaire says:
i would be insisting for either a lowering of the land
Voltaire says:
or an invasion
Voltaire says:
i hate sharing landmasses for some reason
Kody says:
we would be gearing up to go to war I think
Voltaire says:
speaking of raising and lowering land
Kody says:
I dislike sharing landmass too
Voltaire says:
how are our own plans for the Jamski Penisular coming?
Kody says:
need ecological engineering
Voltaire says:
yes, i mean more in the terms of do we have enough formers to do it?
Kody says:
oh we'll have plenty by the time that comes around
Voltaire says:
alright good
Kody says:
will just be a matter of moving them into position
Voltaire says:
so the plans for the isolated naval base are still on
Voltaire says:
actualy
Kody says:
well yes
Voltaire says:
the raised landmasses by the drones have certanly helped a long way to getting that acomplished
Kody says:
but it's all very long run
Voltaire says:
except now
Voltaire says:
we need to find an alternate exit point
Voltaire says:
i must be off to eat at the moment
Voltaire says:
we will continue this later
Kody says:
well they could have raised land lower down and gotten a larger inland sea
Kody says:
okay
Voltaire says:
should i post the turn now?
Voltaire says:
sorry
Voltaire says:
the chat
Kody says:
sure