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Volatire says:
it was almost too clear that they had a) met
Volatire says:
b) traded tech
Volatire says:
and c) even pacted
Volatire says:
the speculations about their deteriration of relations could not have been gained from the game
John says:
oh the exact thing you told corellian
John says:
was that they had met and traded?
John says:
or they had pacted?
John says:
they could be misleading us
Volatire says:
essentialy
John says:
like pretending they have pacted with the pirates
Volatire says:
i said that they have met and traded tech since that's the only thing that accounted for the growth in the powergraphs of both factions
Volatire says:
then i added it was also likely that they may be pacted
Volatire says:
i said nothing more
John says:
I mean the cycon just have too many leaks on what's happening in their game inside their public posts
Volatire says:
It's too elaborate of a scheme if they wanted to fool us
John says:
it may be they've been pretending al along
Volatire says:
I may well be underestimating the CyCon here
Volatire says:
but it just don't seem like them
John says:
we should probably consider it
Volatire says:
of course
Volatire says:
we must take all possibilities into account
John says:
maybe we should leak an university and hive alliance
Volatire says:
hmm
John says:
so post that bit into the private forum I suppose
Volatire says:
that may well not be a bad idea
Volatire says:
the university would deny it
Volatire says:
and everyone would think they are lying
Volatire says:
lol
Volatire says:
but then again
John says:
you see if everyone just laughs it off
Volatire says:
do we really want to be seen as allies with the university/
Volatire says:
?
John says:
then we would know the pirates are pacted
John says:
with the university
Volatire says:
ah
Volatire says:
i see where you're going
Volatire says:
it's an imprefect method of testing the theory but it's the best we have
John says:
so like post a pretend email to archaic
Volatire says:
the other alternative being to ask them directly
John says:
in the public forums
John says:
then delete it quickly
John says:
this time changing the title
Volatire says:
lol
John says:
but give enough time that the cycon can nab it
Volatire says:
yes indeed
Volatire says:
it may be worth a shot
Volatire says:
but the cycon may object
John says:
so have university negotiations
Volatire says:
they will think it is another one of our plots to gather information before we meet in-game, they believe it to be agianst the rules
John says:
and have inside the email stuff about co-ordinating defences
John says:
oh
Volatire says:
I can see how it could be construed as against the rules
Volatire says:
but the fact remains that we have met the pirates
Volatire says:
and hence we can via the pirates gather info on the other human factions they have met
John says:
heh
Volatire says:
so technicaly the cycon-pirate thing was perfectly legal
John says:
maybe the cycon don't know yet
Volatire says:
or maybe the pirates do not have a pact with the uni
Volatire says:
who knows
Volatire says:
but we will know soon enough
John says:
yeah but how did the cycon and pirates get IA IB IE all within 2 turns
Volatire says:
they could have traded with the uni
John says:
They HAD to have been given them
Volatire says:
they don't need to be pacted
John says:
and the university wouldn't have given them IA
Volatire says:
perhaps one of the AI factions did?
Volatire says:
it's a possibility which we have ignored
John says:
it would be like pirates giving flexibility
John says:
hrmm IA?
John says:
do AI factions beeline?
Volatire says:
you'd have to ask googlie that
John says:
because beelinling humans tend to get the tech first
John says:
also it seems like an conincide
John says:
like the university gets IA
John says:
then pirates and cycon suddenly get IA
Volatire says:
hmm
John says:
I think we're up against a 3 way alliance.
Volatire says:
well to me the most logical explination seems to be that the uni traded IA to the pirates who traded it to the CyCon
Volatire says:
or the CyCon may well have developed it on their own
John says:
but the cycon didn't have IB
Volatire says:
hmm
Volatire says:
that could prose problems if true
Volatire says:
this is what i feared
Volatire says:
this is why i wanted to invade
John says:
then suddenly they have IA IB and IE
Volatire says:
alright
Volatire says:
let us assume the worst case scenareo
Volatire says:
if we are up against a three way alliance
Volatire says:
we need the Drones onside
Volatire says:
and most importantly we need to be able to exicute effective invasion plans in light of pirate dominance of the seas
Volatire says:
if they are allied
Volatire says:
chances are they will not make a move until we have met all the factions
Volatire says:
which means we have time to prepare
John says:
do you think we have enough information to tell the drones that we think it might be a 3 way alliance?
Volatire says:
not just yet
Volatire says:
these are all assumptions
Volatire says:
nothing conclusive
Volatire says:
let us do more digging
John says:
okay
John says:
also I wouldn't want to make it seem like we're pressuring them
John says:
if we go ahead with inconclusive evidence
Volatire says:
indeed
John says:
then it would seem like we're using fear tactics
Volatire says:
true
John says:
okay I'm going to post the foreign faction observations
Volatire says:
alright, and i must be off to bed (bio lab tomorrow in the morning)
Volatire says:
we will converse more tomorrow
Volatire says:
night
it was almost too clear that they had a) met
Volatire says:
b) traded tech
Volatire says:
and c) even pacted
Volatire says:
the speculations about their deteriration of relations could not have been gained from the game
John says:
oh the exact thing you told corellian
John says:
was that they had met and traded?
John says:
or they had pacted?
John says:
they could be misleading us
Volatire says:
essentialy
John says:
like pretending they have pacted with the pirates
Volatire says:
i said that they have met and traded tech since that's the only thing that accounted for the growth in the powergraphs of both factions
Volatire says:
then i added it was also likely that they may be pacted
Volatire says:
i said nothing more
John says:
I mean the cycon just have too many leaks on what's happening in their game inside their public posts
Volatire says:
It's too elaborate of a scheme if they wanted to fool us
John says:
it may be they've been pretending al along
Volatire says:
I may well be underestimating the CyCon here
Volatire says:
but it just don't seem like them
John says:
we should probably consider it
Volatire says:
of course
Volatire says:
we must take all possibilities into account
John says:
maybe we should leak an university and hive alliance
Volatire says:
hmm
John says:
so post that bit into the private forum I suppose
Volatire says:
that may well not be a bad idea
Volatire says:
the university would deny it
Volatire says:
and everyone would think they are lying
Volatire says:
lol
Volatire says:
but then again
John says:
you see if everyone just laughs it off
Volatire says:
do we really want to be seen as allies with the university/
Volatire says:
?
John says:
then we would know the pirates are pacted
John says:
with the university
Volatire says:
ah
Volatire says:
i see where you're going
Volatire says:
it's an imprefect method of testing the theory but it's the best we have
John says:
so like post a pretend email to archaic
Volatire says:
the other alternative being to ask them directly
John says:
in the public forums
John says:
then delete it quickly
John says:
this time changing the title
Volatire says:
lol
John says:
but give enough time that the cycon can nab it
Volatire says:
yes indeed
Volatire says:
it may be worth a shot
Volatire says:
but the cycon may object
John says:
so have university negotiations
Volatire says:
they will think it is another one of our plots to gather information before we meet in-game, they believe it to be agianst the rules
John says:
and have inside the email stuff about co-ordinating defences
John says:
oh
Volatire says:
I can see how it could be construed as against the rules
Volatire says:
but the fact remains that we have met the pirates
Volatire says:
and hence we can via the pirates gather info on the other human factions they have met
John says:
heh
Volatire says:
so technicaly the cycon-pirate thing was perfectly legal
John says:
maybe the cycon don't know yet
Volatire says:
or maybe the pirates do not have a pact with the uni
Volatire says:
who knows
Volatire says:
but we will know soon enough
John says:
yeah but how did the cycon and pirates get IA IB IE all within 2 turns
Volatire says:
they could have traded with the uni
John says:
They HAD to have been given them
Volatire says:
they don't need to be pacted
John says:
and the university wouldn't have given them IA
Volatire says:
perhaps one of the AI factions did?
Volatire says:
it's a possibility which we have ignored
John says:
it would be like pirates giving flexibility
John says:
hrmm IA?
John says:
do AI factions beeline?
Volatire says:
you'd have to ask googlie that
John says:
because beelinling humans tend to get the tech first
John says:
also it seems like an conincide
John says:
like the university gets IA
John says:
then pirates and cycon suddenly get IA
Volatire says:
hmm
John says:
I think we're up against a 3 way alliance.
Volatire says:
well to me the most logical explination seems to be that the uni traded IA to the pirates who traded it to the CyCon
Volatire says:
or the CyCon may well have developed it on their own
John says:
but the cycon didn't have IB
Volatire says:
hmm
Volatire says:
that could prose problems if true
Volatire says:
this is what i feared
Volatire says:
this is why i wanted to invade
John says:
then suddenly they have IA IB and IE
Volatire says:
alright
Volatire says:
let us assume the worst case scenareo
Volatire says:
if we are up against a three way alliance
Volatire says:
we need the Drones onside
Volatire says:
and most importantly we need to be able to exicute effective invasion plans in light of pirate dominance of the seas
Volatire says:
if they are allied
Volatire says:
chances are they will not make a move until we have met all the factions
Volatire says:
which means we have time to prepare
John says:
do you think we have enough information to tell the drones that we think it might be a 3 way alliance?
Volatire says:
not just yet
Volatire says:
these are all assumptions
Volatire says:
nothing conclusive
Volatire says:
let us do more digging
John says:
okay
John says:
also I wouldn't want to make it seem like we're pressuring them
John says:
if we go ahead with inconclusive evidence
Volatire says:
indeed
John says:
then it would seem like we're using fear tactics
Volatire says:
true
John says:
okay I'm going to post the foreign faction observations
Volatire says:
alright, and i must be off to bed (bio lab tomorrow in the morning)
Volatire says:
we will converse more tomorrow
Volatire says:
night
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