Hive-Pirate Negotiations

[Voltaire]

I have contacted Hercules informing him that I shall be taking over the Pirate negotiations. He has replied stating that he shall inform Ambassador Flubber of the change, and from now on all Hive-Pirate negotiations will go directly through me via e-mail.

All e-mail exchanged shall be posted both here and on Apolyton for the convenience of Hive members. Furthermore polls will be conducted by myself on both MSN and Apolyton concerning all matters of Hive-Pirate relations.

-Chairman Voltaire

All e-mail correspondence shall be posted in the Ambassadors thread on CGN as well as in an individual thread on Apolyton for discussion.

[Kody]

Volatire, in my previous roleplaying corespondence I invited flubber to a welcoming party. You might want to continue on that roleplaying, and if others in the hive are interesting in writing their sections of the party. That could be included too.

[Voltaire]

Ambassador Flubber:

OUT of character for a second but I would appreciate a copy of whatever was posted about our faction in this thread-- The fact that it was out there for others to see is enough reason for me to want to see it on behalf of Peace.

Secondly, I have been appointed as ambassador of PEACE and all messages to our faction should be directed to me or be cc'ed to me if possible. my email is sharris4141@yahoo.com. I had been sending PMs to your ambassador and only to others if I received no response. I understand Kody is your ambassador and I will send a copy of this message to Kody

Chairman Voltaire:

The Central Continuing Committee has notified your government the Pirate negotiations shall be taking place directly though me, the Chairman of the CCC. Comrade Kody, though officially in charge of the Commission of Foreign Relations, has other important matters to deal with. Furthermore the CCC has deemed our relations with Peace important enough that we shall be dealing with you directly.

As for the documents which you have requested, as a show of goodwill the ad-hoc committee report will be attacked in full.

Lastly, to move away form official duty for a second, I would personally like to reiterate the invitation of our Commission of Foreign Relations for a welcoming party. Let us leave the official matters at the door, and simply enjoy ourselves at the party; we can resume official diplomatic business via correspondence.

Sincerely,
Voltaire
Chairman of the Central Continuing Committee

[Voltaire]

Attached not attacked. Damn you spell checker!!!

[Vev]

Spare no prisoners!

[Kody]

Message to Flubber:

OUT of character

Sorry about what our chairman posted. He's rather absent minded.

We've been theorising about the now revealed pact for a long time. Over the last 15 turns or so we've been slowly collecting data, however it has all been suggestive but not conclusive. In addition to what the chairman mentioned is that link of Drogue's post that I sent in my first diplomatic email. Also we've been watching the login patterns of the members of the pirates and cycon. Sometimes we notice when factions are having important decisions as members start logging on or staying online at times they're usually offline. The last post display to the ACDG forums also reveals when people are posting to their private forums. We theorising on turn holding too.

I think the chairman got sick of wondering and decided to actually try find out for certain.

I've asked the chairman to run the polls and do the diplomatic stuff as I've a report I need to finish by next week.

When you decide on the trading, carbon copy these to me as I may be able to get the turn running again even though Voltiare isn't around.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Voltaire
Attached not attacked. Damn you spell checker!!!

Attacked in full too.

[Kody]

Re: Odd posting
Interesting but odd-- our faction has used group emails for our turn by turn decisions for some time now and I for instance come here when my 4 month old son allows . . . I'd love to see anyone draw any conclusions from my appearances on the forum

The last post trick was something i was not aware of-- it seems a sly way of peeking into private forums

Much to think about

I will be contacting voltaire to talk trades

Kody wrote on 10-09-2003 17:48:
OUT of character

Sorry about what our chairman posted. He's rather absent minded.

We've been theorising about the now revealed pact for a long time. Over the last 15 turns or so we've been slowly collecting data, however it has all been suggestive but not conclusive. In addition to what the chairman mentioned is that link of Drogue's post that I sent in my first diplomatic email. Also we've been watching the login patterns of the members of the pirates and cycon. Sometimes we notice when factions are having important decisions as members start logging on or staying online at times they're usually offline. The last post display to the ACDG forums also reveals when people are posting to their private forums. We theorising on turn holding too.

I think the chairman got sick of wondering and decided to actually try find out for certain.

I've asked the chairman to run the polls and do the diplomatic stuff as I've a report I need to finish by next week.

When you decide on the trading, carbon copy these to me as I may be able to get the turn running again even though Voltiare isn't around.

What I'm not going to tell him.

- cycon, they leak information mainly through posts in public forums.

- pirates, we know they're up to something when hercules logs on looks around and logs off again without doing his turn. When the pirates got IA IB and IE within 2-3 years, hercules was logging in and out like a husband to an expecting mother.

- university, archaic seems to shun the boards most of the time unless there's some important matters occuring. Whenever something big is going down in the university archaic remains online for hours at a time. Otherwise he logs on looks around and is gone within 30 minutes.

[Kody]

So when are we going to bring out Pirate University Pact out into the light?

[Vev]

Not yet, we let them think we don't know, although they heavily suspect we know, but we really shouldn't confirm their suspicion of our suspicion that we knew they knew.

What about my log in patterns?

[Snowflake]

That you log in whenever you are not sleeping?

The more interesting thing is your MSN pattern. That you always leave it on when you are away?

[Kody]

The hive's login patterns and posting is hard to determine.

Because we're online most of the time, and posting all the time whether we're making a decision or not.

Our greatest liability is the embassy forum actually. If someone asks why I have so many posts that don't show up in a search.

[Kody]

Greetings Ambassador Flubber,

You indicated that your operations cap'n would be to provide us with a list of available trading items. I know that the hive has already given an offer, however there is little wheeling and dealing that can be done if we can only ask for the two known techs you landed on chiron with.

Kody - the minister that actually remembers the details others forget

[Kody]

Greetings Honored Kody

WE can address your offer as part of a a discussion of what we are seeking and what we are offering in trade.

First we are seeking a treaty which we think is only fitting for two nations engaging in trade and commerce. We believe it to be a natural part of the friendly and strong relationship we seek.

WE do not seek the Drones comm freq at this time. Quite frankly, we believe we will meet them shortly anyway since it is no great leap to consider that they must be close to you. WE place a high value on commlinks but would entertain offers.

Our tech position has been to not trade our maps or doc flex to anyone ( needed time to bury our treasure you see). This has been modified somewhat in that it is possible that we could trade doc flex for the right price. However we know that this tech is not widely known on this world. So if we were to trade it we would seek a 10 year "no trading" clause for that tech. We would accept similar limitations if seeking a tech of yours if it was important to you.

WE also have available ind base, soc psych and doc mob.

You have offered us two of biogenetics, app physics, and doc loyalty for doc flex . . . We are not prepared to accept this deal at this time. While 2 techs for one is enticing and generous generally , the specific techs are not of much immediate interest and I believe that 2 of them have been offered to us by others on more than one occasion. Combine this with doc flex being the tech sought and we just don't see enough value there


WE are more interested to know if you have any higher level techs such as HEC, nonlinear, GS or other higher level techs or the prospect of acquiring them, and would be willing to trade such techs. Such techs would be of interest to us and we could certainly work a deal, including doc flex if that was what you sought.

Among the techs listed thus far, we could be interested in doc loyalty ( possibly for one of our techs -- not doc flex) - -- app physics is of marginal interest ( we would rather acquire the techs above it) and biogentics is almost worthless to us ( pressure domes have rec tanks built in)

There you go . .. No deal on your offer unfortunately but I think there is much room for reaching a deal. In dealing , we will consider all types of offers or requests including cash, comms, council votes, boundary agreements-- SP agreements and future tech considerations . . . basically anything you might want to discuss . All negotiations ARE subject to ratification but generally I have broached our dealings with the council before contacting you.

To summarize, we are looking for higher level tech than that offered and would be willing to deal. Doc loyalty is of some interest in a one-for one swap. App physics perhaps also but I would have to double-check on that one.

I apologize in my delay in contacting you and hope that this message has given you a sense of what we are looking for.

Ambassador Flubber

Ambassador Flubber,

It is clear enough that I am able to continue with my operations. Thank you for your response. Chairman Voltaire may attempt to contact you with further deals.

Kody

[Kody]

This will have to be broached, I'll see what happens.

A note even if we're treaty, pacted, or at war. The hive would like to do some roleplaying with the pirates. In fact they're trying to come up with the pirate welcoming party right now.

I will be offline for about the next 7 hours, as I have a series of meetings at my job. I will be online a number of times through the weekend if there is a deal to be hammered out.

As an extra issue, how does your faction view pacting ? I have not broached pacting with you with my faction so I have no sense of how people will feel but I believe they could consider it. Just something to think about or at least start some new threads about LOL . I saw your analysis and you guys are insanely active in post numbers