MSN - VW SP and Hive recuitment

[Kody]

John says:
Hercules finished his turn.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
What word from the Pirates in that case?
John says:
I wonder if we should make the SP announcement.
John says:
huh?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
lol
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Sorry
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
I'm thinking of something else.
John says:
what's going on?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Nothing, I was under the false impression that we had met the pirates.
John says:
where did you get that idea?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Someone resurected the old ambassadors thread, and I started reading it not realising that it was outdated from the time when the Pirates met the Uni and we made contact with the Drones.
John says:
oh hehehe
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Hmm, I'd rather we keep quite and let them absorbe the shock when they see that we have constucted 2 SP's in one turn.
John says:
hrmm fair enough
John says:
pity there's no useful 4th SP that we can build
John says:
otherwise I would probably try for 2 SPs in 2137
John says:
you know we still haven't made a final decision on the VW
John says:
which is why I started this conversation
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Sorry about that, phone
John says:
it's okay
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Well the CN certainly is something we could consider for the 4th SP.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Granted it does not seem crucial enough to warrent the use of our resources this early enough.
John says:
yeah but I don't think anyone has loyalty, so I feel we should delay it for a few extra years.
John says:
so like 2140
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
I agree
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
What was the final decision regarding the VW?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
I do not recall there ever being one.
John says:
the votes got deadlocked
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Hmm, alright.
John says:
I'll invite Vev and honghu too
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Alright

HongHu has been added to the conversation.

Vev has been added to the conversation.

John says:
We need to sort out the VW build date
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
It seems to me that the possibility of another faction constructing the Virtual World before we do (given the one turn delay) falls into the realm of the negligible, bordering the impossible.
John says:
nothing is impossible
John says:
just unlikely
John says:
Archaic hasn't been running the turns recently
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
But of course.
HongHu says:
I still wonder what the univ's capability is
John says:
so I'm hoping that they're running less efficently than we are.
HongHu says:
could one be too careful?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Too careful? Perhaps.
HongHu says:
of course if everybody else is not running at their best performance
John says:
yeah, we could be really careful and build 3 units in every city.
HongHu says:
then we could afford the 7 min
HongHu says:
by constructing vw early and secure it
John says:
but we would fall behind fast.
John says:
7 mins?
John says:
we lose far more than that
HongHu says:
I thought that was your figure
John says:
*shakes head*
HongHu says:
gives us the fact again/
HongHu says:
?
John says:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=2318008#post2318008

John says:
Total minerals (queue+crawlers+ECs) = 382
John says:
Total minerals (queue+crawlers+ECs) = 334
John says:
about 48 minerals
HongHu says:
wow
HongHu says:
I would say that's quite a lot
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Indeed
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
I will ask for a vote on the issue right now.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Given the deadlock in the poll, we need to decide.
HongHu says:
I think I'll support waiting for the one turn
HongHu says:
sorry being what you said the grass on the wall or something like that
John says:
the reason why larger difference is because more crawlers allow me to do crawler channeling.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
I am behind the proposal to delay the construction in favor of the extra minerals.
John says:
which is more efficient
John says:
I figured out that strategy only 3 days ago.
HongHu says:
what's crawler channeling in brief?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
2 for, 0 against, 0 abstain, 2 undecided
John says:
basically the idea is to constantly have crawler rehoming and switching resources
HongHu says:
isn't jamski against?
John says:
so that you keep the minimum amount of minerals in your build queue
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
He's not here is he?
HongHu says:
no lol
Vev says:
channeling? a passageway or a shared medium?
John says:
well normally, you have minerals queuing up in a city's production
HongHu says:
don't understand the min amount in your build queue
HongHu says:
why is that more effecient?
John says:
you definately don't want that
Vev says:
I am just interesting in your choice of wordis
John says:
because if you could move those queued minerals into other cities so the productions are completed
John says:
the crawlers build faster
HongHu says:
oh I think I get it
HongHu says:
but the crawlers can only travel one square
John says:
so you try and balance the productions so you keep less minerals in the build queues
John says:
but you shift workers, and you use roads.
HongHu says:
roads that's right
John says:
it really works best with monorails
HongHu says:
we don't have them yet thought do we
John says:
however, I found it's still possible if you preplan a turn or two ahead.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
So essentialy you advocate building crawlers all the time when nothing else prudent needs to be constructed?
John says:
nope
Vev says:
so the crawlers in the medium in which the minerals are channelled
John says:
after the SPs
Vev says:
in = is
John says:
well actually I switch workers between cities too.
HongHu says:
second in = is
John says:
after the SPs, we're going to be building a few scouts, formers and colony pods, with a few crawlers thrown into the mix
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
ah i see
HongHu says:
don't we need to start prototying some units?
Vev says:
ah policing scouts?
John says:
the crawler will usually only be built if a colony pod is unviable, there are already 4 units supported, and there are spare forests that can be harvested.
John says:
also I'll probably be pumping 2-3 probe defensives
HongHu says:
that's right
John says:
to protect the hive, and the base that will be build south of kommie city
Vev says:
although spare crawlers can be converted into units later on
Vev says:
within a time period
HongHu says:
HongHu KongHu needs a DP
John says:
nah not unless we have something to fear from the drones
HongHu says:

HongHu says:
one cannot be too careful don't we
John says:
if you look at the drone's half of the map
John says:
you'll see they're all closed off
HongHu says:
we are still not perm pact yet
John says:
so the probe team will only approach from our side of the map
John says:
you know that the drones don't have flexibility
John says:
so building probe teams before they can send probes our way will be a waste
HongHu says:
could they back engineering from the transport they got?
John says:
nope
John says:
I tried
John says:
it doesn't work
HongHu says:
ok
Vev says:
probably because it is pre-prototyped
John says:
that's right
HongHu says:
what's preprototype
John says:
actually no
John says:
it's because it's unity
John says:
because you can gift a former
John says:
and they can reverse engineer it and make more
John says:
but the unity designs don't appear
Vev says:
Does crawler channeling call upon spirits from the other realm?
HongHu says:
hmmm
John says:
yes indeed it does
John says:
it calls upon three ghosts.
HongHu says:
it does what?
HongHu says:
wow
Vev says:
mineral ghosts?
John says:
the ghost of crawler past, the ghost of crawler present and the ghost of crawler future.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
LOL
HongHu says:
isn't that impressive
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
We have yet to decide on the VW build date...
HongHu says:
we'll have our own crawler ghost army soon
John says:
indeed we haven't
HongHu says:
who needs vw when we have crawler ghost
John says:
the hive seems to be getting good at putting off decisions of late.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Yes I've noticed that as well
Vev says:
I want to be teh tie breaker
HongHu says:
We always have the Chairman
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Whatever happened to the good old days of when we agreed of everything? *sigh*
John says:
there isn't a tie
Vev says:
not enough nervestapling
HongHu says:
I could try make it into a tie if you want
HongHu says:

Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
lol
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
I will make the call if it comes to it
Vev says:
but that is too democratic
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
I just like letting others decide that way the blame isn't on me if it fails
John says:
we'll we have two for 2137
John says:
and two undecided
John says:
yeah, I know what you mean
John says:
that's why I'm not voting.
HongHu says:
ok guys I got to go
Vev says:
so soon?
HongHu says:
have fun deciding
John says:
cya HongHu
HongHu says:
bye
Vev says:
bbb
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
ttyl

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Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Alright Vev, vote
John says:
we need fresh members
John says:
all the old members are getting cranky and crusty
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
We're becoming too complacent.
Vev says:
I'm still a spammer at heart
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Except where are we going to get new members?
Vev says:
I can maker another persona, even though it is not leagal
John says:
we need active recuitment drives
John says:
I tried getting a new member recently
John says:
Minute Mirage, but she ended up going to the university.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
I need to speak to some people I know who may be interested in joining
John says:
at least I got new people into the ACDG
John says:
although not into the faction I wanted.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
lol
John says:
also I think the recruitment threads picked up a few people.
John says:
However, since everyone accused me of spamming.
John says:
all those members went into other factions.
John says:
*roll eyes*
Vev says:
maybe after the SP rush, the Hive will gain new prestige?
Vev says:
don't get dizzy there
John says:
kay
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
tsk tsk tsk
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Tassadar just goes too far at times, if only he were still a member he could be repremanded.
John says:
*chuckle*
John says:
he was a member at the time
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
lol
Vev says:
Is the curse of teamwork haunting us?
John says:
HongHu ran away to post to the CGN off topic *lol*
John says:
we should pass it on that we want people to actively recuit new members.
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Yes indeed
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Except who is left that is active?
Vev says:
Jamksi
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
We have yourself, Vev, me, Jamski, HongHu
Vev says:
I'm just crazy
John says:
Micha, OctavianX,Vander, Ezhrino (spelling)
Vev says:
I say build VW later
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
3 for, 0 against, 0 abstain, 1 undecided
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
We have a majority people, the decision is made
John says:
*nod*
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
If anyone asks, let it be declared that due to the deadlock a special ad-hoc committee was established in order to make a decision on the matter
John says:
okay
Vev says:
I was wondeirng
John says:
still that leaves us with our other problem of members.
Vev says:
that who would go for VW?
Vev says:
after form uni
John says:
cycon would
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
I just noticed that if you look at the text beside my avatar (which is supposed to be the location) it forms the acronym CCCCPH vertically.
John says:
depends on how wide the window is
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Everyone would go for the VW to stop the uni from getting it
John says:
it's CoCCCoPTH
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
If it came to that
John says:
for me
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
or right
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
i forgot, my monitor is borken, and i'm using the crappy one
John says:
what does CCCCPH stand for?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
which means lower resolution
Vev says:
so would the cycons or pirates really for it?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Chairman of the Central Continuing Committee of the People of the Hive
John says:
so I guess that there's nothing much to be done about recuiting new members?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
Hmm, aside from telling the other active members to see if they can get any
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
not really
John says:
I could embed html into certain posts
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
besides it's impressive that this many people are even active, in some of the lower member factions i would imagine that the participation count is even lower
John says:
that makes people automatically join the hive
Vev says:
Lookin from the other factions point of view, would they have any plan changes with us building those SPs?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
lol, give it a shot if you think the admins won't be mad
John says:
the admins will probably get annoyed
John says:
unless I do it on a site not associated with apolyton
John says:
but even then they couldn't join until after they sign up
John says:
so it wouldn't really work
John says:
or we could put the join up link in our signatures?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
that doesn't work too well
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
hmm
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
we could advertise in the other demo game forums
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
that may work
John says:
which other demo game forum?
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
the Civ II and III forums have a large number of participans
Which is better: to achieve Nirvana, or become a Boddhissatva? says:
here i must be off at the moment, will be back in about 10 min
John says:
so ask Octavian to see about it?

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Jacob (aka Octavian X) has been added to the conversation.

John says:
hey there
Vev says:
Mr Xenodoughnut!
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
Greetings gloruious comrades!
Vev says:
slaughters an apple for the ritual
John says:
as you've probably noticed there's been a slump in hive activity

[Kody]

John says:
let me post the previous MSN conversations to the forum
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
I have, yes...
Vev says:
are there civvers who smacs?
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
I'm one of them...
John says:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=2322361#post2322361

John says:
scroll down a bit to near the part were you were added
Vev says:
do you know about the strange land production you gain from building airbases in a certain manner?
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
nope, haven't heard that one...
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
And Kody, I'll look at that when I'm done with Civ3 ISDG stuff...
John says:
okay
John says:
well basically to summarise it
Vev says:
we kick butt!
John says:
voltaire suggested that you're in a optimal position to recruit new hive members
Vev says:
you have such sauve charisma
Vev says:
and charming personality
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
hehe
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
I'll work on it.
Vev says:
who is lemmy?
John says:
also any ideas what others can do?
Vev says:
and why is he special?
John says:
lemmy used to be active in the first ACDG
John says:
however he didn't like the idea of team games or something.
Vev says:
ut he is not like kass with obession with hapanese school girls
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
...
John says:
Octavian: so if you have any suggestions on how other hive members could help get new members. Or if there is something we an do to make the game more interesting.
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
Links in signatures help if you freqeuntly visit other forums....
Vev says:
some people are more interesete dif tehy get involveied early on in the game
Vev says:
saves them backrtrcking and figure what happened
Vev says:
so we might have competition with the ACDG3
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
Try creating a summary thread as well, for new membetrs
Vev says:
although it may or may not serve to attract people to ACDG2
John says:
Hrmm that might help
John says:
And we could write news articles
John says:
about important events
John says:
short ones
Vev says:
Planetary Chronicles
Vev says:
unfortunately too many secrecry surrends the events
Vev says:
for much to be published
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
thinking of news, I've been meaning to write a new PRAVDA article on the Hive government....
John says:
pravda has fallen a bit
Vev says:
since no one is contributing
Vev says:
I tend to require stimulus to work
Vev says:
whether what I have done is positive or negative feedback depends on the source material
Vev says:
need hopfield networks
John says:
Maybe we could make the pravda newsbulletian board.
John says:
so people can write articles and publish them straight away.
Vev says:
but we need censoring
Vev says:
it is the fundamentals of Hive rights
Vev says:
if only one of the hivers had mod powers
John says:
voltaire?
Vev says:
on the common forum
John says:
I think we should post this.
Vev says:
failing that, mock censoring or lots of denial
John says:
I think that trying to compile the articles reduces the number of articles being written.
Vev says:
can you phrase that?
Vev says:
it seems to me there appears to be some sort of optimisation algo happening reducing article numbers
John says:
compling the articles means delays in getting the articles out. This means less motivation for the members.

[Kody]

Summary

* VW getting built in 2136
* We need new members
* a summary thread for new members
* Hive members should try and activitely recuit new members
* Links in signatures help recuitment if you frequently visit other forums
* Something needs to be done about pravda

[Snowflake]

Hey I only wrote one OT post before I truly left. Plus who knows maybe that could lead to new members to us so it could be considered that I'm already working on recruiting.

[Voltaire]

VW in 2136?

[Kody]

VW built in 2137 rather.