Raise sea levels?

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Drogue
Geo: The deal was that, but there has been tension, and they're not sure if they'll stick to it. The Drones were given the Cloning Vats too, but we need to get that first.

Ah, that's disturbing news. I thought the deal was Hive: CBA, LV & AV, and the Drones: CF & CDF or something. So the Drones are also promised the Cloning Vats? This makes it even more urgent we aim for that project as fast as possible (by stealing tech hopefully instead of having to research them ourselves). Btw, I didn't know the Hive were unsure about sticking to their SP deal. That's positive news. When did you learn that information? Way back in that chat in January with Enigma_Nova while he still was an official representative of the Hive?

[Drogue]

A little later, than that, but still a few weeks ago. The Hive and Drones relationship re: SPs was straining. I'm not sure of it's state now.

However, in order to get the CV, would it be an idea to go 80% research, and then switch to Ec when we get Bioeng. We need to beat the Drone/Hive to it. Also we need the Supercolider for PUT.

[Maniac]

Drogue:

Originally posted by Drogue
The Hive and Drones relationship re: SPs was straining. I'm not sure of it's state now.

IMHO the Hive wouldn't have broken pact with us if they weren't confident now of their relationship with the Drones. Also perhaps the Hive-Drone relationship being straining was just a temporary consequence of Enigma_Nova's actions, and we all know he ended up in the recycling tanks.

However, in order to get the CV, would it be an idea to go 80% research, and then switch to Ec when we get Bioeng.

The Cloning vats has Biomachinery as a prerequisite though, and not Bioeng. So besides Bioeng we also still need to research MMI, PolySoft, OptComp, AdapDoc, AdvMilAlg, RetroEng first. Still a long way off.

GeoModder:

The same goal can be reached by building Aerospace Complexes in those 'threatened' bases. Drop units can't drop near such protected bases in my experience.

Does that also still count when there are no units present anymore in the base? If so, aerospace complexes could indeed be sufficient defense.
Though I read on CGN there's a bug that the aerospace complex only prevents rivals dropping units if you have a vendetta with that faction. So the Drones could first drop a bunch of units right next to all the northern PUT bases, and only then declare war with a massive chopper attack, followed by those drop units capturing the bases. If the northern PUT bases changed into sea bases, it would become more difficult for the Drones: besides the drop ability all the capturing units would also need the amphibious ability.

Archaic:

If it has a Dome, it won't lose pop

Ah, I'll have to test that. From my experience with testing the Mars scenario (see signature) and trying to submerge as many AI bases as possible I seemed to remember that bases without pressure domes are completely destroyed, while those with domes lose half their population.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Maniac
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Does that also still count when there are no units present anymore in the base? If so, aerospace complexes could indeed be sufficient defense.
Though I read on CGN there's a bug that the aerospace complex only prevents rivals dropping units if you have a vendetta with that faction. So the Drones could first drop a bunch of units right next to all the northern PUT bases, and only then declare war with a massive chopper attack, followed by those drop units capturing the bases. If the northern PUT bases changed into sea bases, it would become more difficult for the Drones: besides the drop ability all the capturing units would also need the amphibious ability.

Yes, it prevents even when bases are empty (almost 100 percent sure). What did you think with your last sentence? They can`t drop into sea so why would they need amp pods abbility also?

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
Does that also still count when there are no units present anymore in the base?

Don't know that for sure. Just an old SP memory that I couldn't airdrop near AeroComplex protected bases, but Obstructor seems to think so.

Originally posted by Maniac
Though I read on CGN there's a bug that the aerospace complex only prevents rivals dropping units if you have a vendetta with that faction.

Never heard of the bug, might be interesting asking Googlie about dropping enemy units first before the first shot. Make some ruling about it.

Originally posted by Maniac
If the northern PUT bases changed into sea bases, it would become more difficult for the Drones: besides the drop ability all the capturing units would also need the amphibious ability.

No way José
Land units simply can't drop into seasquares, whatever ability they possess. And they simply can't drop directly in an empty enemy base as well.

Originally posted by Maniac
Ah, I'll have to test that. From my experience with testing the Mars scenario (see signature) and trying to submerge as many AI bases as possible I seemed to remember that bases without pressure domes are completely destroyed, while those with domes lose half their population.

No, only small bases are destroyed, those with a bit higher population remain, lose half the population and get a free pressure dome. And those with domes are save and sound. Believe me, I made it...

[Maniac]

Originally posted by obstructor
What did you think with your last sentence? They can`t drop into sea so why would they need amp pods abbility also?

Originally posted by GeoModder
Land units simply can't drop into seasquares, whatever ability they possess.

What I was thinking of was that the Drones could drop a unit not in but right next to a sea base, and then, having amphib ability, move into the empty base.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
What I was thinking of was that the Drones could drop a unit not in but right next to a sea base, and then, having amphib ability, move into the empty base.

O, that. Still, with a Aerospace Complex around, they shouldn't be.
And, with the PUT bases so closely build together, not all of them need an Aerospace Complex.

But I check the pressend turn now first...

[Illuminatus]

So you meant that? But AC will protect us still. Too bad Drones got the MMI first.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Maniac
The Cloning vats has Biomachinery as a prerequisite though, and not Bioeng.

True

Originally posted by Maniac
So besides Bioeng we also still need to research MMI, PolySoft, OptComp, AdapDoc, AdvMilAlg, RetroEng first. Still a long way off.

Then let's get researching. Either we need to attack them quickly (so credits for building) or we need the CV, IMHO.

[Illuminatus]

Can`t we steak MMI without restarting war?

[Maniac]

Originally posted by GeoModder
O, that. Still, with a Aerospace Complex around, they shouldn't be.
Originally posted by obstructor
So you meant that? But AC will protect us still. Too bad Drones got the MMI first.

Aerospace complexes will only suffice if exploiting that bug I mentioned earlier isn't allowed. Hopefully we'll get clarity on that.

[Archaic]

It's not a bug. The game assumes that your allies wouldn't drop troops in and suddenly declare war. It's a "feature".

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by obstructor
Can`t we steak MMI without restarting war?

In the assumption you mean 'steal', no need, PUT haves it in 3 turns.

Originally posted by Maniac
Hopefully we'll get clarity on that.

The question is posted to the god(s ) then?

Originally posted by Drogue
Then let's get researching. Either we need to attack them quickly (so credits for building) or we need the CV, IMHO.

Pls, not another war with a human player, just let's research this.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by GeoModder


In the assumption you mean 'steal', no need, PUT haves it in 3 turns.

But why not steal it? Then we can have sth else in three turns. And we are lagging behind so we need every turn we can get.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by obstructor
But why not steal it? Then we can have sth else in three turns. And we are lagging behind so we need every turn we can get.

Impossible, we can't get a probe team at Busters doorstep in 3 turns.
All those Librarians have only 1 movement point as well, and no nautic transport is available.