Hive Proposal

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
MrWhereItsAt:
Btw, have you already checked out our latest turn? The password is "experiment".

First time I hear something from a password
Anyway, solved the empty zip folder problem. I got simply no extracting tool on the partition I run SMAC.
Worked ok on my other partition, so I got the midturn save now (CyCon).
Couldn't see the CyCon completed turn in the turn thread , so I just start looking in that midturn to get familiar with the game.

[Maniac]

The only difference with the midturn and the final turn I posted in the general forum are the three little things polled here. I was too lazy to upload a new turn to our turn reports thread just for that. I could upload one if you want, but it'll have to wait until tomorrow night as I'm afraid I don't have the time now (and also on the wrong partition).

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
The only difference with the midturn and the final turn I posted in the general forum are the three little things polled here. I was too lazy to upload a new turn to our turn reports thread just for that. I could upload one if you want, but it'll have to wait until tomorrow night as I'm afraid I don't have the time now (and also on the wrong partition).

Don't bother, i'll have lots to find out anyway since I'm coming in half-game.

[GeoModder]

Ok, checked the game now.
Questions: where do you plan to build the SP? Logic Loop?
Why isn't started already, actually, or has this happened in the remainder of the turn?

I think we won't stand a change completing the PEG before the Hive when they have the chance, so I prefer not to trade Adap Econ. Unless we can come to an agreement that they won't try to build it and give them an op line to Ascetic Virtues.

[Maniac]

Our plan is to build the PEG in Zetaris.
Next year MY 2154 we will have over 330 credits. We will use those to upgrade the three crawlers in Zetaris' vicinity to 0-3t-1, each worth nine mineral rows. In MY 2155 we'll start production on the PEG and immediately cash in the crawlers. With a little bit of hurrying, we'll then have the PEG in MY 2156 already.

The reason we haven't started it yet is because we (or at least I) want to leave the Hive in the dark as long as possible. If they realized we had plans to build the PEG by MY 2156, they'd probably try and get AdapEcon from PEACE, and try to beat us to it.

[GeoModder]

Yes, no I see the need to keep them in the dark untill 2155. Still, can't they make the PEG in one year notice?
They have a lot of crawlers concentrated on several bases.

[MrWhereItsAt]

They probably could, GeoModder, but as long as we don't give them AdapEcon before 2155, the closest they can come is:

2155: We rush the PEG and give the Hive AdapEcon
When the Hive gets the turn (AFTER us), if they rushed the PEG they would not have been first, and thus next turn...

2156: We get the PEG. If the Hive rushed it, they would, upon getting to their turn, be told it was already built and have to change to something else. Also, as there are likely no SPs that the Hive can build instead right now, this is why I think we need to make them aware of our plan to build the PEG - how screwed would they feel if they got AdapEcon, rushed the PEG, found we had snuck it out ahead of them and they are left with several hundred wasted mins with nothing equivalent to spend them on?

[Drogue]

Seems sorted then. The PEG it is

[MrWhereItsAt]

I understand your POV, Drogue, but I really do think the PEG could be that useful, especially in helping us get the ECs for future projects as well.

Also, I would prefer to go for the project that we can get know rather than put aside the chance and hope/expect to be in a similar or better position to get a later one. The old saying about birds in the bush....

[Kody]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
The Hive is doing something rather Odd which frainkly I cant quite figure out.

Previously (as you can see on the last 2 present saves) they were running 2 bases full of Librarians and generating 160 reserch. They also ran 40 Econ, 10 Pych and 50 labs (due to their low efficiency). Their Credit output was a modest 30-40.

Now then have frozen all reserch, and are running 70% Econ, 30% Pych and are generating around 50 Credits (they also did not spend any credits last turn, they usaly spend ALL their credits every turn). The 2 bases that were running Librarians now have a mix of Doctors and workers and are much less productive. The Crawlers that were previously bringing food and mins to these bases are now in the field aparently doing nothing??

If they wanted to make maximum Credits then they should have made the Librarians into Tecnicians and generated considerable credits.

I suspect their planning to build the PEG by cashing large numbers of unupgraded Crawlers (as they lack SotHB and the Trance ability). They might be planning to upgrade a few to Plasma Steel (which they got by prototype trading with the Drones). I think they could hurry the project to 1 turn completion as soon as they get the tec if they were realy desperate and wanted to use 8-9 unupgraded crawlers. Otherwise they might be a turn or two slower. In any event we cant count on beating them to the project on raw build power even under our accelerated schedual which builds us the project in 2156.

Which turn was it? I'm guessing it was one of the really stuffed up turns.

You wondered why I kept coming back to the Hive? Turns like that were the reason.

[Snowflake]

It was 2153 or 2152 I think Kody. We were waiting for the Drones to give us SotHB. Enigma did the turn. I'm not sure why some of the crawlers were not doing their work. I vaguely remember I had some questions about his turn, but you said he has his reasons. I think I was later convinced that what he did was right too.

[MrWhereItsAt]

A lot of the time we were working on the assumption the Hive (and ALL factions) were controlling things as tightly as we did.

I guess we never really realised there could just be oddities due to different playstyles, rushed turns, or simple human error (which we Cybernetics have largely eliminated).

[Snowflake]

Oh yeah, you can be sure that there were lots of those things in the Hive.

Once we almost surpassed Miami in her own effort to become the colony pod fleet commander.

[Kody]

Oh that's right it was Voltaire that played that turn with a turn chat with Jamski and Micha.

I had left thinking that there was enough of a turn advantage for the Hive that the Hive would be safe from being destoried with my departure. Then I checked over the new turn and had an heart attack. You can bet your sasuage that I ran back to the Hive as quickly as possible. I never really trusted the Hive to play turns for a long time.

[Snowflake]

No that wasn't the turn Impaler was talking about I think. I checked the time it was when Enigma and I play the turns. We did the allocation change intentionally because we were waiting for Drones to give us the techs. Jamski's colony pod production campaign was around 2145, much earlier than that.