Assimilation of PEACE members

[Drogue]

Another. We need to add bits about the surrender. I wrote one a while ago to send to foolish, I remember people responding, but I thought it was in this thread and it wasn't. Where we proposed their surrender, and them handing us their bases and joining us en masse.

[Maniac]

Hmm, IMHO we shouldn't talk immediately about surrendering units and bases if we don't even know if they are überhaupt interested in joining us. How about we wait until a few pirates have replied to our first PM?

Anyway, it's about time we send a message, as our next turn is approaching, the year we agreed to send the message. Unless you or anyone else come up with concrete proposals for changes, can I send the PM tonight or tomorrow to Hercules, Flubber, foolish_icarus, FlameFlash, Makahlua, Hobbes, Atlantian and Gert?

[Maniac]

Okay, I just sent the PM. First reply is from H0bbes:

No thanks.

Hobbes

Btw, if no one or only a small minority wants to join us, should we destroy PEACE if that would mean pirates can join any other faction? Under such circumstances, wouldn't it be better to leave them with one base which we keep attacking every time they build a defender? That way they're also effectively out of the game, even if a majority of ACDGers would (pointlessly) decide that defeated faction members can join any other faction.

[Drogue]

I thought about that. Seems like a good idea, but they could decide to self-destruct their base, with no defender, saying we could capture it. But yes, I see no reason not to leave them their last base. Even leave it with a defender in it. We could use probes to steal anything we want from them, or destroy their production at times. If it get's too troublesome, take them out.

Did you mention the surrender? Or did you send the PM as above?

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Drogue
I thought about that. Seems like a good idea, but they could decide to self-destruct their base, with no defender, saying we could capture it.

Then we just say we had no intention to capture the base. And since they suicided, they have no right IMHO to claim they're still alive to join another faction.

Did you mention the surrender? Or did you send the PM as above?

The PM as above, as no concrete message addendi were proposed.

PMs I got from Hobbes, icarus and Gert:

Hobbes:
[quote]I'm not terribly interested in the ACDG, BUT wouldn't join a conquoring faction anyway- seems odd that you'd expect a defeated player to whole-heardedly participate in furthering the ambitions of the agressors.

Hobbes

Hi H0bbes,

May I ask, do you say no simply because you are not really interested anymore in the ACDG, or is it because you hate our guts?

Friendly greetings,

Maniac

foolish_icarus:

The captains will discuss this. I'd thank you for extending the offer if, well, you weren't conquering us . More later.

Gert:

Hello Maniac,

When (and if) the time of a defeat comes, I will give your offer serious consideration. It is an interesting possibility, but I feel now is not the time to discuss it.

We will fight ye until ye wreck the last of our ships. Our freedom is yet a cause worth fighting for! And besides, the pay is good

Gert

So it seems they wouldn't consider to surrender and transfer eg their crawlers over to our control. We'll probably have to eliminate all their useful units (crawlers, formers, sea formers...) in other words.

More comments tomorrow afternoon hopefully. I'm terribly busy right now.

[GeoModder]

Too bad, seems we have to go for the 'base under siege' scenario then

[Drogue]

You didn't offer a surrender then?

I will play the turn tomorrow, to allow for any eventualities or things that come up

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Drogue
You didn't offer a surrender then?

No, but I could reply to foolish_icarus like this:

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Hi foolish_icarus,

The captains will discuss this. I'd thank you for extending the offer if, well, you weren't conquering us . More later.

We would like to stop conquering you. Wouldn't it be better if, instead of fighting until we have destroyed every last unit and reduced PEACE to one base, if we joined forces now and PEACE transmitted all remaining units to the Consciousness, which we hope you will accept as your new home? That way we gain in strength and might still be able to form a fist against the Hive and Drones, who are currently running away with the game.

Friendly greetings,

Maniac

[Skanky Burns]

Offering a surrender would be good. Their assets could be used by us to further our goals, rather than hindering us by forcing us to destroy them. It can't hurt to ask them.

[Mart]

Maybe the offer should be rather like unification offer, not surrender - they transfer their units, all PEACE territory gets annexed to CyCon. This way we get large power increase, and they do not feel like loosing much - just joining another faction. Their honor would be saved. If ofcourse current rules allow this.

[Nubclear]

Isn't a unification kind of like "Republic of the PEACEful CyCon", not "Just give everything you have to us "

[Mart]

They might assimilate if we both work on it..... If it is not worth of trying - then defeating them seems the only option. The risk is that if the current war gets stopped in order to give them time for thinking on unification then it may make further war more difficult when they reject the unification. Anyway, these are just some possibilities, and i only posted an idea, i have just joined the faction so i am not aware of all diplomacy and feelings among factions

[DeathByTheSword]

well from a game-winning point of view...if PEACE members become cycon they will want to win with the cycon they would benifit from giving as much as they can before PEACE is wiped out...maybe we should send them such an offer?

[Mart]

Actualy what Maniac proposed above is unification offer, am i right?

[DeathByTheSword]

oh...could be havent read it....give me a moment....ah yes you are right...wel then i agree with maniac it is worth a shot....but we must not let the pressure down on the PEACE....keep attackig and taking there bases