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  • Accept Jamski in the Consciousness?

    From Kody,

    Maniac,

    Once a while ago, I did you a favour with getting reismarks for your avatar. Now I hope you can return that favour.

    Due to problems with Jamski in the hive government we were wondering if the cycon would take Jamski in (assuming we get googlie to agree).

    The last thing that the hive wants is to throw Jamski out of the game. However, we feel that Jamski's view on the way things should be run in the hive doesn't match that of the majority.

    His trial is going to be happening very soon. As this is his second offence, I doubt they'll give him a third chance.

    The hive accepts that Jamski will defame the hive while in the cycon. We hope that the cycon balances whatever he says about us with some reason. Also that he will share all our plans and opinions. Since we never hid that much from the cycon anyway, it won't matter that much.

    We simply ask that he doesn't give out the password, or open up or allow others to open up the old hive save game files.

    This idea hasn't been finalised yet, I've only talked to voltaire. I wish to speak to honghu and perhaps some of the others.

    Kody
    My reply:

    Hi Kody,

    That seems like a good solution. Though the preferred outcome for this game in the Consciousness is still a co-op with you if possible. Do you think Jamski would try to prevent that?

    Can I post this PM in the CyCon private forum, so every cyborg can give his opinion? Or do you first want to discuss it a bit more in the Hive?

    Greetings,

    Maniac
    Kody back:

    This PM I don't consider secret so you can post it in your forum. Note that this idea isn't 100% certain, and nothing may come of it. At the moment I'm trying to ensure the move is legal for this unique case.

    I don't want you to upset Jamski over this issue until Googlie comes back with a reply. So please don't tell him until it's rule possible or not. Googlie may rule it as illegal and hence I will probably have to suffer some serious backlash. After it is decided whether it's legal or not the courts need to decide whether Jamski will be exiled or not. Mead, Octavian and Honghu will be running the proceedings as those are the most impartial judges we could find.

    The main issue is that Jamski hasn't been getting along well with the current hive leaders, and has pulled a few stunts that we didn't approve of. I reached the end of patience this morning when he critisied Voltaire and me publically throwing out words I didn't even say.

    Though the preferred outcome for this game in the Consciousness is still a co-op with you if possible. Do you think Jamski would try to prevent that?

    Jamski won't prevent it as long as he's not pissed with the hive. The trial will be mostly roleplay of nature so hopefully he won't get pissed.

    Also it will be the cycon's responsibility to balance whatever Jamski says with sound reasoning and consideration if jamski decides he hates the Hive.
    Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
    Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

  • #2
    This would be against the rules Not to mention...other factors which you are aware.
    Eventis is the only refuge of the spammer. Join us now.
    Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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    • #3
      I would personaly be against having him join us even if it was legal. He has shown himself to be an unpredictable rogue element and he is aparently a big spamer within the Hive. I dont know if asimilation into the Conciousness would change that or not, I would rather not run a risk like that. He chose his Colony Pod now let him sleep in it.

      Also why dose everyone thinks he has been feeding us vast sums of information and is about to give us passwords and other highly illegal stuff. We would never accept such contraband in the first place, its blatently illegal. Is our public image that bad?
      Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
        Also why dose everyone thinks he has been feeding us vast sums of information and is about to give us passwords and other highly illegal stuff. We would never accept such contraband in the first place, its blatently illegal. Is our public image that bad?
        Where did you hear this?
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        • #5
          I agree with Impaler. He is too unpredictable and after the resent stunts I simply cant trust him.
          Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

          - Paul Valery

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          • #6
            Kody implies that in his message.

            "We simply ask that he doesn't give out the password, or open up or allow others to open up the old hive save game files."

            "Also that he will share all our plans and opinions."

            It seems that Kody has belives that Jamski is capable of anything and he is all guilty of every crime imaginable in the Hives mind. I think you have been getting them rather paranoid with this investigation thing Tass.
            Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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            • #7
              Never mind

              Forget I mentioned anything about moving jamski to the cycon. If Voltaire wants to bring it up again he can do that.

              The odd one out isn't Jamski, he fits right in with the faction, it's me.

              ***
              From Kody. And Kody has left the Hive once again.
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              • #8
                i dont care if he joins or not...everone is welcome to the cycon...the majority rules anyway
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                • #9
                  Kody left again!? Maybe we should try to offer him an asylum
                  Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                  - Paul Valery

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                  • #10
                    I will destroy you.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Method
                      I will destroy you.
                      Jamski hacked Methods account!!!!!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
                        This would be against the rules
                        I agree with Tass

                        We made an exception very early in the game for General Tacticus, but after much discussion around that it was decided that there would be no others

                        The subject has, of course, re-opened with the discussion of conquered factions' members, spies, etc etc, but I'd still think that withion the roleplay concept the Hive should just deal internally with its dissenters - isn't that what a Democracy Game is about anyway?

                        G.

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                        • #13
                          but I'd still think that withion the roleplay concept the Hive should just deal internally with its dissenters
                          Do you also think that a faction member giving some information to another faction should be dealt with internally?
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                          • #14
                            I agree with Googlie. And in answer to Maniac, personally I would say yes. Unless they are a member of another faction, it is an internal mole.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Maniac
                              Do you also think that a faction member giving some information to another faction should be dealt with internally?
                              Yes - there have been several instacnes in the game so far. And that's what the Hive did with their shadow cabinet and forum (maybe exacerbating Jamski's disatisfaction with the Hive in doing so)

                              But as a Democracy Game, he should rally support and then go for a leadership vote in the faction.

                              (I do feel a bit of guilt, as his original "coup" was as a result of my putting them on notice that I'd play the turn by "turn complete" - no-one was around, so Jamski played it, then withdrew it after Kody played it. I ruled that Jamski's was the official turn, and he's taken grief ever since (due to some missed opportunities, vendetta with the Angels, etc etc)

                              G.

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