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**Corellion** · September 27, 2003, 13:01

PEACE is trying to keep us in the dark with regards to everyone else. They want us isolated, so that we have to deal with them (and so that they control the seas, keeping us with no hope of attacking them). The only reason they are willing to give us Doc:Flex now is because we're going to get it anyway. If we really want to break our reliance upon PEACE, we need a quick way to explore, and a credible naval threat to protect us and to help us wage war if necessary. What's faster at this tech level than cruisers with the MCC? With the free Naval Yards, our units are just that much better in combat.

The only snag is that we promised PEACE we'd switch to HEC. I'd say that we should keep our promises, but the situation with the SP demands more immediate action. In addition, it seems that relations with PEACE have degraded far too much. I am of the opinion that they no longer consider us an ally (not that they ever did), and are just stringing us along for the commerce and to delay us longer, so we don't become a credible threat anytime soon. So let's switch and finish Doc:Init, and then do HEC afterwards (or better yet, trade for it with our new cruisers). We'll give it to them (as promised) and be rid of our debt to them.

The course of action will, of course, seriously annoy PEACE. Likely consequences include termination of the pact, as well as seriously damaging future relations. (OOC: if they're roleplaying, they'll have a grudge for the rest of the game, and we can pretty much count out the possibility of anything beyond grudging trades of obvious mutual benefit). Thought I doubt this alone is enough, they may even declare vendetta. In any case, it can't be a bad idea to build a sizable (but hopefully not threatening to PEACE) navy to defend us and explore the planet.

So, my answers are 1.a), and 2.a).

This is all subject to change given different circumstances, of course.

**Maniac** · September 27, 2003, 16:54

Okay, as long as I don't have to be the one explaining it to them...

I would like to hear some other opinions though.

**Corellion** · September 27, 2003, 17:30

Er, yeah...

Let's delay the turn until our NEW and improved maybe External Affairs Function takes over. He can explain it to them!

**Phenix** · September 27, 2003, 17:39

Corellion, in short, you've got a very bad image of Peace... and maybe you're right

But i'm not sure at all.
Maybe they are of good will, and they still want to go for a 'permapact'...

Their slow reacting and endless negotiating we've experienced for the entire game may well just be because they make slow decisions and they talk about every detail over and over again in their own faction.
Or like you said, they want to keep us in the dark with all means possible and they're just using us

However, I don't know which of the 2 possibilities it is. Do you?? That's our big problem, like Maniac indeed states: We're almost completely in the dark.

IMHO if Peace does trade us Doc:Flex next turn then we can't afford to break our promise. The diplomatic consequenses would be too grave. But if they only attempt to stall a little bit, by all means buy from the AI.

I would prefer the VW over the MCC though, so my votes are 1b and 2b

**Googlie** · September 27, 2003, 18:56

Re: Doctrine : Initiative, Maritime Control Center etc...

Originally posted by Maniac

b) only when it appears that we won't get the Virtual World. Problem with this option is that, if we get DocFlex next turn MY 2138, we have to choose a new tech immediately in MY 2139, so we only have one turn left before we have to make a choice what policy to follow.

To present the whole picture regarding secret projects, we could probably also switch research to Doc:Loy and hope to build the Command Nexus before the Hive, or wait for PEACE to research Adaptive Economics and then hopefully trade (or steal) the tech. Unfortunately we hardly have any information at all to tell us what would be the best option.

We're almost completely in the dark.

The Hive has already completed the Virtual World (as you'll see when this current turn reaches you)

G.

**Maniac** · September 27, 2003, 19:29

/me shakes his head.
How is that possible?

I haven't played many PBEM games, but I have never seen anyone build three SPs in 37 years.

Anyway, in that case I'm all for the MCC option...

**Googlie** · September 27, 2003, 20:38

Running Planned and Wealth (+3 Industry) it takes only six crawlers to instabuild a 200 cost SP like the HGP or CN and eight crawlers plus 50 ec's for a 300 one such as the VW or the PTS

And these are unimproved crawlers

G.

**Corellion** · September 27, 2003, 22:00

I didn't realise that they had had crawlers for that long! We need to continue the crawler rush! More crawlers!

Sounds of the thousands of factories across CyCon territory upping their productive capacity

I smell the work of Kody here.

**DeathByTheSword** · September 28, 2003, 05:34

about how to break the news to PEACE about not switching to HEC....give the fault to me...i am the second function right now...just say i picked the wrong tech...

i dont mind...i btw i am the new external if it is correct...so i will be talking to them from then

**Maniac** · September 28, 2003, 07:30

Running Planned and Wealth (+3 Industry) it takes only six crawlers to instabuild a 200 cost SP like the HGP or CN and eight crawlers plus 50 ec's for a 300 one such as the VW or the PTS

Yeah but even then.

I guess they have let each base produce crawlers ad nauseam for the last ten years or so.

We need to continue the crawler rush! More crawlers!

But what will you let those crawlers harvest? We hardly have unused forests! IMHO we first need to build a few more formers.

give the fault to me...i am the second function right now...just say i picked the wrong tech...

Sounds good.

You will have to play the next turn then to make it believable.

**Phenix** · September 28, 2003, 14:00

All right, let's go for the MCC

**Corellion** · September 28, 2003, 15:10

Wonderful! Now we just have to explain why DBTS played the turn instead of Drogue, now that he's back.

**Maniac** · September 28, 2003, 15:32

Well if Drogue is back, it's much simplier: He just wasn't aware of the deal that we would switch research to HEC, and you forgot to include it in your orderset as you thought everyone knew it.

**Drogue** · September 28, 2003, 19:11

Can someone fill me in on the latest with PEACE? AFAIK we have agreed to give them HEC, instead of Eth Calc for the last trade, and are offering 90ec for Doc Flex? IMHO, if we can get Doc Flex for Ec do it, but don't offer HEC. I think this relationship has gone on too long, and giving them a decent military tech isn't a good move. Simply offer Eth Calc and do the doc flex deal, or preferably do the doc flex deal, and then use the "deals off when vendetta" that exists playing the AI, that loans stop being paid of if vendetta is declared. Then we are a tech up, and can beat the **** out of them. We agreed on Eth Calc, not on HEC, first. If you want to stay friends, but not trade, you could explain that with me coming back I vetoed it (they don't know I cannot do that

) Or just poll it? I think it would be a huge mistake, and it would be much more fun to start a vendetta, especially with all our pent up anger against PEACE. Also with techsteal, it would be beneficial. We need HEC, Doc Flex and Non Math as a minimum, but if we can get the MCC and Doc: Init we could do much better

However if we start those PEACE will almost certainly finish the Pact first, since it wasn't what they wanted/expected or we promised. Also it will look hostile. We want to be nice until we surprise them

The big question. Do we want to remain friends with PEACE? Simply for the sake of enjoyment, I would go no. What do others think?

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