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  • I don't see the problem with it. It is a perfectly valid game rule, and one I've used without complaints in previous PBEMs of mine.
    Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
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    • They can do it too if they agree . Their fault.
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      The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.Shaw

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      • I think we shoud Mind Control Little Accident if Peace moves additional Crawlers towards the base, we could potentialy steal a lot of nice crawlers this way.

        We could also move the 2 Impact Marines back into their transport and move that into a position from which it could attack Atlantis next turn. This could significantly speed up the progress of concouring PEACE and the extra crawlers will make thouse bases far more productive. Its definatly going to be worth the cost so lets make shure we can afford to do it. Scrapping some Navel Yards will help.
        Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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        • I'll check the mind control cost of both Calico Island and Little Accident before taking any military action.
          Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
          Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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          • Originally posted by Maniac
            I'll check the mind control cost of both Calico Island and Little Accident before taking any military action.
            So this means that Atlantis is still the last base to 'assimilate'? Ok.
            He who knows others is wise.
            He who knows himself is enlightened.
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            • We have a problem. The odds for that boy scout NW of MegaByteVille to defeat that crawler is only 16 to 15. Only about 50% chance of winning thus. Is it worth risking an attack, or should I return the scout to MBV, and leave that crawler for another time?
              Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
              Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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              • Originally posted by Maniac
                We have a problem. The odds for that boy scout NW of MegaByteVille to defeat that crawler is only 16 to 15. Only about 50% chance of winning thus. Is it worth risking an attack, or should I return the scout to MBV, and leave that crawler for another time?
                How about this? Let the impact cruiser in TT bombard that crawler first, and then take a look if the odds are better. If not, the cruiser can still move to Pampalona next turn to support the attack there and the scout brought back to Megabyteville

                Let the rover in HMB take out the crawler between HMB and LA. And then move it back to HMB!!
                Let the remaining marine next to LA take out the former.

                Suggestion for getting rid of those crawlers near LL: Board one of the transporters in HMB with all units we can miss (I'm thinking of the rover, two impact marines, the plasma garrison and the probe) bring it the tile north of LL, let one of the marines attack the 47.65 crawler. Then move the transport in LL and let the other marine take out the other crawler. Then let the transport stay in LL for the attack on Pampalona next turn. I suggest keep that transport in the yard for the rest of the turn because of those missing PEACE ships.
                Last edited by GeoModder; February 17, 2004, 09:49.
                He who knows others is wise.
                He who knows himself is enlightened.
                -- Lao Tsu

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                • Originally posted by GeoModder
                  How about this? Let the impact cruiser in TT bombard that crawler first, and then take a look if the odds are better. If not, the cruiser can still move to Pampalona next turn to support the attack there and the scout brought back to Megabyteville
                  Pamplona is a land base, so AFAIK a cruiser can't help much in its capture. I was first thinking to move that cruiser north to help in attacking Calico Island, but that may not be absolutely necessary. It depends on whether PEACE could manage to bring an extra defender to that base.

                  Let the rover in HMB take out the crawler between HMB and LA. And then move it back to HMB!!
                  I agree.

                  Let the remaining marine next to LA take out the former.
                  I was thinking about the following. Move the remaining marine to Mega Reboot where it can be shipped to Lair and later Pamplona, and move the 40% damaged marine in Mega Reboot to the monolith for an instant repair. That way we have a healthier marine to attack Pamplona, and the other one is faster repaired.

                  Suggestion for getting rid of those crawlers near LL: Board one of the transporters in HMB with all units we can miss (I'm thinking of the rover, two impact marines, the plasma garrison and the probe) bring it the tile north of LL, let one of the marines attack the 47.65 crawler. Then move the transport in LL and let the other marine take out the other crawler. Then let the transport stay in LL for the attack on Pampalona next turn. I suggest keep that transport in the yard for the rest of the turn because of those missing PEACE ships.
                  I agree. Though if you agree with the marine switch plan above, one of the crawlers would have to be destroyed by the rover. But that doesn't make much of a difference.
                  Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
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                  • There is one catch to your plan moving an Impact Marine to HMB (I don't see MegaReboot on the game map yet ). That former near LA is blocking all passage...

                    Originally posted by Maniac
                    Pamplona is a land base, so AFAIK a cruiser can't help much in its capture.
                    I now, but again, I like to have an escort for a transport since the chance of encountering a PEACE warboat gets higher the closer we come to their remaining bases. I say, bombard that nasty crawler near Megabyteville and move it afterwards for transport protection to Pampalona. Remember that 1 turn ago one of the boats in Atlantis left. For all that we now it could be lurking somewhere between Pampalona and Atlantis.
                    He who knows others is wise.
                    He who knows himself is enlightened.
                    -- Lao Tsu

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                    • Originally posted by GeoModder
                      There is one catch to your plan moving an Impact Marine to HMB (I don't see MegaReboot on the game map yet ). That former near LA is blocking all passage...
                      I would do it like this. First let the rover destroy the crawler between MB and LA. Then the 40% damaged impact marine can move without interference of zones of control two tiles SW. Then activate the remaining marine on the monolith. Because there is now a unit north of its position, it can move to Mega Reboot without interference of the former's ZOC. Finally move the 40% damaged marine to the monolith, which still has a marine on it, so it can also move there without having problems with the former's ZOC.

                      I now, but again, I like to have an escort for a transport since the chance of encountering a PEACE warboat gets higher the closer we come to their remaining bases.
                      There is the cruiser in Liar's Lair IIRC.

                      I say, bombard that nasty crawler near Megabyteville and move it afterwards for transport protection to Pampalona.
                      You mean move it to Pamplona MY 2157, when the base should already be conquered?
                      Anyway, I'll hold a poll about it. Much easier to decide what to do then.
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                      • Remember if we mind control Little Accident First then all units adjacent to the base will fall under our control, if that crawler your so eager to kill is adjacent to little Accident then you will be wasting a valuable crawler if you destroy it.

                        I think we want the Mammother taskforce to take Pampalon, then we can scrap Navel Yards for a total of 80 credits or more and then mind Control Little Accident. The Impact Marines on the Monolith then load back into the Impaler transport and head north.

                        We also want to start planning for a transition into FM as soon as possible.
                        Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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                        • Impaler: LA is already taken, and that crawler was what, 2 tiles, away from LA, so I don't think it would be converted by a mind probe.

                          Maniac: The Mammoth task force can only attack Pampalona on 2157 as well, but you're right. I overlooked that Impact Cruiser in LL.

                          So bombarding the crawler near MBV is now an option of how quick we want to destroy it.
                          He who knows others is wise.
                          He who knows himself is enlightened.
                          -- Lao Tsu

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                          • Maniac, move that cruiser to your proposed position. It will be in range then if Hive gets ideas, and it should still be far enough from possible PEACE ships near Atlantis.
                            He who knows others is wise.
                            He who knows himself is enlightened.
                            -- Lao Tsu

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                            • As Maniac asked, I accepted the war offer from Miriam.
                              The results are not so surprising.
                              First, no new drones came up when war was declared, but I immediately got a pop up that the Hive intervened on behalf of the Drones.
                              He who knows others is wise.
                              He who knows himself is enlightened.
                              -- Lao Tsu

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                              • I was wondering, does anyone have the time to start a planetary council session on the issue of:

                                8> If PEACE survives, the main advantage you get is a free vote in the Planetary Council. We would like assurances you won't abuse that. Therefore we propose a CPU veto right on all Council motions except all the official in-game ones. This is to prevent you can propose any motion in the out-of-game Council you want, and CPU being outvoted 3 to 2 every time. I would propose a similar veto right for the Hive and Drones to make things equal.
                                Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
                                Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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