External Affairs Function's Office

[Googlie]

well, yes - excpet that it's dated - but if you do keep the 2141 save then you'll have access to their 2141 data

[Maniac]

Hmm, I didn't know that PUT information yet. They have many techs to trade (or steal...)

Btw, do you guys know the trick how to find bases in unexplored territory? Normally when you click somewhere on the screen with your cursor, the screen recenters. However if while doing so you click on a tile in unexplored territory that contains a base, the screen doesn't recenter.
Using this method, I know there are bases in the squares (59.73), (81.77), (57.63) and (78.50). (81.77) is probably a Believer base, (59.73) is Alexandria, (57.63) I presume yet another PEACE base. (78.50) is an unknown source though. I suspect it might be a PUT base. Since PUT has so many techs we don't have, we might consider sending our first ship to that location if we won't have too many problems with PEACE then...

[Drogue]

That'll be fine for me then

[Drogue]

Nice trick Will have to check that out

[Corellion]

Hoorah! Although the question is, will they be friendly (they are pactmates with PEACE, after all).

[Drogue]

Maniac: As acting EAF, could you PM something like

Hi Captain and Ambassador,

Over the last few days there has been a lot of discussion among the CyCon about PEACE. Specifically regarding you stating that you did not want Applied Physics, when we offered them, both to settle our deal and for other trades, and yet you have traded for them with other factions. You have also continuously asked for more and more for techs, you language suggesting, and even JDM actually stating, that due to your early game advantage as 'traders', you must capitalise on this advantage by pushing for more and more, and playing factions of against each other. While we understand this, we do not feel that is a way to treat you Pact Brother.

Therefore it is been decided by a CyCon majority that we should reduce our relations to a Treaty status. We will still honour our existing deals, and are still open to new deals, but we feel that in spirit we no longer act like Pact Brothers, and so feel a treaty is more appropriate. I am saddened to have to inform you of this, and I have tried to keep the Pact going for longer, but I was out-voted.

We notice that you have pre-accepted Doctrine: Initiative in the diplomacy box. Could you explain to us why you have done that?

Friendly greetings,
Acting External Affairs Function (while DBTS is inactive) Mani Alpha-3

to Flubber and Herc between 10 and 12am GMT tomorrow. Details are found here, in the "When to cancel Pact with PEACE" thread.

Thank you

[Drogue]

Maniac: I must retire for the night. I should be back on about 11/12am GMT ish. If I am not, and we have the turn, please post the PM you prepared between 10 and 12am GMT, or as soon as you get on if after that. I will play about 1pm, hopefully. That is all presuming we have the turn. Since the 12 hours grace is up at 9 this morning, Googlie should press end turn and forward it to us, so we should have the turn. If we do not have the turn by 1pm GMT, then do not send the PM, as Flubber may well be on. Wait until I come on, then if Flubber is not on, you can PM him, and a little later, I can plan the turn.

We want to make sure Flubber cannot respond to the PM before I play the turn. If needs be, we will have to PM him, then wait for him to come on, with the turn played, then post it, before he can respond. Or wait 'til he PMs back and I'll post soon after, saying that I had already played by the time I got the PM. Either way, it shouldn't be a problem. If the turn isn't give to us though, don't PM him, obviously.

Now that's a hell of a post that can be summed up in it's penultimate sentance

[Maniac]

I have sent the PM. No Pirate is online at the moment.
In the in-game diplobox the PEACE player mentioned "See Ambassador Flubber communications". Therefore I added a little phrase near the end of the PM.

Official communiqué: pact severance

Hi Captain and Ambassador,

Over the last few days there has been a lot of discussion among the CyCon about PEACE. Specifically regarding you stating in the past that you did not want Applied Physics, when we offered it, both to settle our old IndAut deal and for other trades. The reason you stated was because you had no use for such a level 1 tech. Yet now you have traded for Applied Physics with another faction. In previous trades you have also continuously asked for more and more techs and credits, your language suggesting, and even JDM actually stating, that due to your early game advantage as 'traders', you must capitalize on this advantage by pushing for more and more, and playing factions off against each other. While we understand this, we do not feel that is a way to treat your Pact Brother.

Therefore it has been decided by a majority in the Cybernetic Collective that we should reduce our relations to a Treaty status. We will still honour our existing deals, and are still open to new deals, but we cyborgs feel that in spirit PEACE and the Cybernetic Consciousness no longer act like Pact Brothers, and so feel a treaty is more appropriate. I am saddened to have to inform you of this, and I have tried to keep the Pact going for longer, but I was outvoted.

We notice that you have pre-accepted Doctrine: Initiative in the diplomacy box. Could you explain to us why you have done that? We have not received any communications from Ambassador Flubber.

Friendly greetings,

Mani Alpha-3
Second Function and therefore acting External Affairs Function (while DBTS is inactive)

[Drogue]

Thanks. I am now online and will play Very well done Maniac

[Maniac]

May I suggest we send our new Laser Cruiser to the (78.50) base location I pointed out earlier? A 2-1-8 can't do much harm against PEACE anyway. Best to use it as an exploration ship then. It might also be wise to rehome that ship to DBTSverse Portal when it visits that neighbourhood. Pi Square is losing minerals to support, while DBTSverse Portal only supports one unit.

Oh yeah, did anyway notice, using Googlie's trick, that PEACE is pacted to the Hive?

[Drogue]

Soudns good I think exploration is the best use of it.

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Maniac
Oh yeah, did anyway notice, using Googlie's trick, that PEACE is pacted to the Hive?

Well, you didn't need my "trick" to see that, as you were pacted with PEACE and just had to look at their profile to see they were pacted with the Hive (you could actually tell the date, by comparing old turns)

What my "trick" showed was that the Hive were pacted with the Drones, and have an "informal truce' with the PUT. Also, they haven't yet met the Believers nor the Angels - you know that by the absence of any comment re truce, treaty or pact with either in the Hive's list of relationships

G.

[Maniac]

DeathByTheSword:

EAF orders for '42: do NOT move the laser cruiser out in to the see...ONLY if it ends back in a base you can move the cruiser...i dont want peace knowing that we have cruisers.

Does that mean you disagree with this proposal?

May I suggest we send our new Laser Cruiser to the (78.50) base location I pointed out earlier? A 2-1-8 can't do much harm against PEACE anyway. Best to use it as an exploration ship then. It might also be wise to rehome that ship to DBTSverse Portal when it visits that neighbourhood. Pi Square is losing minerals to support, while DBTSverse Portal only supports one unit.

I doubt there are any PEACE bases in the north, so they will probably not notice our 2-1-8. Besides, even if they saw it, would a hardly armed exploration ship be so unexpected? After all, they know we have Doc:Ini.

Googlie:

"trick"

Just to clarify, by using the word "trick" describing your advise I certainly did not intend to give your tactic a pejorative connotation if you got that impression. I rather used the word "trick" to mean "a clever innovative tactic".

[DeathByTheSword]

hmz...well ok you could send it up there...but i am afraid we get a very aggrassive response from PEACE about it...they have bases just west of the cruiser. ..so i hope they dont see it...but ok use it as exploation

[Drogue]

I will use it as exploration, but wil keep it close to our land for the time being, until we have abetter idea where the PEACE bases are, looking at 2141 base screens.