Opinions on other factions

[Corellion]

Definitely a good plan, as it tests their loyalty, and opens the door for further conversation... it always sounds like you're using them if you just come straight out and ask for something.

As for our relations with other factions, we should play as friendly as possible to all of them (save possibly the Believers). Given that we can't attack any of them yet, we must foster good relations so that we can gain the temporary benefits of truces/treaties/pacts. Let's only begin to get hostile if they do, or if we can see some immediate gains, on top of the long-term ones. Besides, surprise attacks are better.

As for PEACE, I suggest that we try to seal a long-term relationship. Their naval nature makes them wonderful go-betweens and purveyors of information and technology. However we'll have to be tactful, as our island home requires that we build up a sizable navy of our own, and that may make them nervous.

As for the University, the competing research goals make us natural competitors, and I find it unlikely we can become friends. Unless things look unusually friendly, we should probably prepare to attack them at some point.

The Hive does not seem to have opposing philosophies with our own. In fact, their collective and communal qualities seem to match nicely with ours. There could be a future here.

The Drones are a bit of a wild-card. They share the communal spirit that could make us allies, but they appear to be natural enemies of the Hive. It seems unlikely we could be on friendly terms with both.

Of course, this is all tentative, and could and will change based upon future events, especially actually meeting the other factions.

[DeathByTheSword]

PUT: i would suggest massive probe attacks as soon as possible after first contact. then try to take them out before they can work up to a full out war against us. No mercy or rest for the PUT. i know we dont have the resources for a land war. but we need to take them out fast. if they get an edge they will attack. and i do not want to be caught with our cybernetic pants down

PEACE: i agree with maniac` plan. and as long as we have a strong fortified island we will be safe atleast before air-power. just dont build to close to there territory.

HIVE: ally with them...but if possible let them be weakened by other factions. because if we destroy the PUT and maybe drones the hive might feel very powerfull.


Drones: peace with them and play the-we-dont-choose-sides-between-the-drones-and-the-hive game




on a general note: could we maybe make false documents of dimplomatic talks between us and par example the drones to attack the UNI. and leak them to the UNI so that the uni will not trust the drones anymore? or is this illigal?

[Googlie]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword

on a general note: could we maybe make false documents of dimplomatic talks between us and par example the drones to attack the UNI. and leak them to the UNI so that the uni will not trust the drones anymore? or is this illigal?

After you have met both factions, anything goes - propaganda, misinformation, etc etc

Prior to meeting both (ie, only met one) you can bamboozle that faction you've met with anything you want (hints, allegations, etc re deals with other factions whether met or not)

But you can't send anything privately to a faction you haven't yet met (but we are allowing General Forum "scuttlebut" like Pravda, 3D, etc etc to carry general articles, comics etc that can be read by anyone.)

So in the next 3d, for example, you could include an "Overheard while receiving maintenance" piece about the latest rumor that the Cycon and the Drones are hatching a combined Psi and Military invasion of the PUT. It can be as far-fetched as you want, but the keys are:

It must not be able to be construed as an invitation to ally or pact with any faction you have not yet met

and

It must be available to be read by all factions (in the general forum)

G.

[DeathByTheSword]

ok tanx....but if we met everything goes?

[Drogue]

Sounds good. I will start talks with Flubber with regards to telling them about the Believers, and asking about info they have. I favour Function Delta's plan for dealing with the PUT. Obviouslyn it needs more discussion, but I think probe attack pre-Pre-Sentient Algorithms, and as soon as we can, wipe the floor with them. But we need combat tech first. I'll keep you posted of my talks with Flubber.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
ok tanx....but if we met everything goes?

[Maniac]

Any progress in Pirate relations?

[Drogue]

Not yet, Flubber is on holiday I'll contact Herc tonight/tomorrow with our opinions and see of that gets anywhere.

[Maniac]

Good. You might want to PM a copy to johndmuller as well though, as Hercules seems to have troubles using some Poly services.

[Drogue]

Good idea. Will post here when sent.

[Kody]

The Hive thought we had informally agreed to a joint victory pact.

It was very strange working off the assumption that the joint victory pact with the drones was causing problems with an informally agreed on joint victory pact with the Cycon. This actually came up a few times during the Hive-Drone diplomancy, and the drones I think were a little confused why we kept getting sentimental over the Cycon.

The first contact when we finally did meet with the Cycon was disappointing. We had expected a far greater welcome, and so there was a fair amount of confusion. This was mixxed with the fact that we already had closed the joint victory pact with the Drones and I personally felt uneasy around the cycon because I felt I had betrayed their trust before we had even met. However, I got by telling myself it was illegal contact so we couldn't really be held to the informal promise.

[Drogue]

Wow, old thread to bump!

We didn't know we had an informal pact at the start. I'd talked to Voltaire and liked the idea, but when we met you, and found you packmates of the Drones, we wondered if you were just playing us. After the PEACE incident, we weren't really in a massively diplomacy friendly mood. I would have loved to have given favourable trade, but after feeling like PEACE kept trying to mess us over, we were wary with everyone from then on. I don't know what you mean by 'a far greater welcome' though.

[Nubclear]

My "actions"?

[Snowflake]

We didn't have any informal agreement of a joint victory. We just had nice feelings toward each other. Kody came in a little late so he had not experienced the emotional build up and was perhaps a little confused when we talk about each other using the nicest languages.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Kody

It was very strange working off the assumption that the joint victory pact with the drones was causing problems with an informally agreed on joint victory pact with the Cycon. This actually came up a few times during the Hive-Drone diplomancy, and the drones I think were a little confused why we kept getting sentimental over the Cycon.

So the Hive had an informal agreement with CyCon, but a formal one with the Drones? We didn't know this was a three-way thing at all! Or was that not the intention?

It's easy to see where the confusion lies - we thought we were possibly working with you guys, but then when it became clear you were definitely working with the Drones I sorta lost a bit of faith, whilst still hoping for SOME cooperation.