Science Thread

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Maniac
We could plan it that PUT and us first both cooperate to AdvMilAlg. Then we temporarily diverge: CyCon researches the three techs still necessary for the Cloning Vats (BioEng, RetroEng & Biomach) while PUT aims for Applied Relativity (researching Superconductor on the way). Then when these goals are both met, we converge our research plans again to research the +-5 remaining techs still necessary for Fusion Power.

Exactly my thoughts

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
Why not popboom AND go to war?

Pls, not too much hay on the fork

But ok, I suppose with needljets we have an advantage 'till a faction has AMA, even against Fusion units.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Maniac's plan sounds good to me

We can all agree that Fusion, AMA and Cloning Vats our are top 3 priorities after MMI so lets be bold and go for all of them. Our reserch efforts are going to start to catch up the Hive/Drones soon and coperation with Uni will bost us further.

Other near term goal would be the CDF/Int Integrity and CyberEthics for Knowlage value (definatly preferable to wealth in my opinion). And ofcorse Planetary Econ. If we dont trade Adaptive Econ to the Hive then we force them to pick between getting Planetary Econ (very slowly) or some other tec, it would greatly limit their ability to take any of the mid game projects.

[Illuminatus]

Hive already has too much projects and we have only MCS. Must bulid lot of projects

[Maniac]

Other near term goal would be the CDF/Int Integrity and CyberEthics for Knowlage value (definatly preferable to wealth in my opinion). And ofcorse Planetary Econ.

I agree. Though hopefully it will be possible to trade IntInt & PlanEcon with the Hive, so we can focus our research elsewhere.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Can someone fill me in on the points required for our next Tec and our present rate? Along with the Rates and progress status for Hive and Uni. Has any faction aquired new tecs over the last turn?

[Drogue]

Maniac: We won't get the CDF, the Drones will get it very soon, and they will build it. Let's concentrate on crawlers and stuff to get us the Cloning Vats ASAP. We need that SP

[Impaler[WrG]]

We were only mentioning it as a 4th or 5th option orcorse the Cloning Vats is a more valuable and important Secret Project how could we not agree to that

I dont realy see any major effort by the Drones to get that project and frainkly it not very valuable to them either, if they pick it up as table scraps after we grab all the good projects I have no problem with that.

[Drogue]

Impaler: That comment was:
a) to Maniac, responding to the fact that he thinks its a good idea to try to get Int Int for it.
b) the smileys were in jest and
c) the Drones have been granted to build it by the Hive. They are going to. I was saying there is no point in trying because we won't get it unless we can build it in the next year or two.

However as a 4th of 5th option? Considering the Hive will have the CBA and the Drones the CF (unless the Hive nicks both), what else have we to go for. PEG first, of course, then straight build up to Cloning Vats, which isn't far away. However IMHO we won't get that unless we push. The Hive will have MMI by 2156, which is a problem for us.

[Drogue]

What I meant was there is no point trying for the CDF, when we need to build up for the CV, and we won't get the CDF. Please make sure you understand the facts before using smileys. There is no point going for Int Int since there is no SP for us to get there.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Drogue
Maniac: We won't get the CDF, the Drones will get it very soon, and they will build it. Let's concentrate on crawlers and stuff to get us the Cloning Vats ASAP. We need that SP

How comes it anyway that suddenly the Hive will have CBA? Earlier it was mentioned that we had a chance for that as well.

[Impaler[WrG]]

The Hive lacks SotHB, Nural Grafting, and Air Power all tecs they would need to even START on MMI, not to mention Mod3 resrictions which would probly slow them down another tec.

The only way they can beat us and UNI to MMI is by heavily coperating with the Drones and possibly stealing Nural G from the univeristy, they very well might do that (I would If I was them) but it is not a shure thing by any account. We should continue pushing for MMI as fast as we can.

I estimate that we can put out around 175-200 Labs after we take FreeMarket and go 80% labs. If we hurry a few net Nodes in Key bases we can do even more. That would give us MMI in about 5-6 turns if the war were to stop right now. Asuming we have upgraded Crawlers in position that alows us to lay down the Secret Project the moment the tec is completed. We shouldn't just write off the CBA or CBF.

[Maniac]

The Drones will most likely steal Neural Grafting in their current turn MY 2154. They will then send D:AP, EnvEcon, SFF & Neural pre-accepted to the Hive who can then switch to MMI right at the start of their turn, allowing them to get MMI MY 2155. The Drones are probably now researching IIRC Polymorphic Software for their next goal: Fusion Power!

Btw, are you sure we can get 200 labs right now if we'd go FM?? I'll have to check it in-game.

[Impaler[WrG]]

With 80% Labs, FreeMarket and Net Nodes in Logic Loop, Apolyton Prime, Triplex and Pi Square (are best bases) I estimate we could generate 230 Labs. Perhaps up to 260 with Evn Econ (extra energy).


But if the Hive/Drones secure MMI before we do then perhaps we should imediatly redirect our efforts on a new goal such as the Cloning Vats or Astetic Virtues. Then we simple Probe Steal MMI from them at some later date (useing our supperior navy to support a Probe Foil assault or just taking coastal bases outright).

We might go so far as to stop doing Reserch for ourselves and simply pump Credits and build facilites and Probes and Navy. As it seems we will be fusing with Uni soon this could prove a good plan, we can generate near 200 Credits a turn with 80% Econ which will buy us all the facilites our hearts desire.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
With 80% Labs, FreeMarket and Net Nodes in Logic Loop, Apolyton Prime, Triplex and Pi Square (are best bases) I estimate we could generate 230 Labs. Perhaps up to 260 with Evn Econ (extra energy).

I checked yesterday and IIRC it was about 150 labs. Also, you speak about network nodes, but with the drones most likely on the verge of a conquest of PUT, can we afford the minerals to build many facilities?
If we unite with PUT, I'd much rather prefer your suggestion that the CC concentrate on credits and PUT on research.

(useing our supperior navy to support a Probe Foil assault or just taking coastal bases outright).

to probe assaults, but capturing the bases? Unless we have a large force, they would be soon be recaptured and our tech would be stolen from the captured base. To prevent that we should have to obliterate captured bases, but that would remove our commerce with PUT due to sanctions.