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    While posting the new constitution thread, I encountered a lot of spelling errors anachronisms. Parts of the constitution we do in a completely other way in practice. Therefore I'd like to suggest an update for several issues, and also propose some new ones.
    I'm polling this in a five-day multiple choice poll. Please cast one vote on each proposal. For proposals 1 to 7 plus 9 the options to choose between are "Yea" to accept the reform and "Nay" to keep the status quo. For proposals 8 and 10 there are three options. Please only vote for one of them there too. Depending on the results, I might organize a run-off between the two most popular options.
    The discussion thread.

    Proposal 1:

    Eliminate the difference between the rights and the duties of an official. The choice to list their duties under one of these two categories seems arbitrary to me. An official's rights are his duties, and vice versa.

    Proposal 2:

    Add to the Director of Science paragraph under duties (or whatever category):

    *Deciding what to do with alien artifacts
    Proposal 3:

    Change:

    *Requesting buildings with the Director of buildings productions
    *Requesting buildings and military units with the Director of buildings productions.
    in the DS and DPO paragraph into:

    *Requesting base facilities to the DIA and governors
    *Requesting base facilities and military units to the DIA and governors
    Proposal 4:

    Add to the the AT paragraph:

    *Acting as guardian of the constitution. In the absence of justices informing the directors if they're not following the constitution such as not polling major decisions or posting unconstitutional polls
    I would add that because the justices haven't been very active besides on the matter of impeachments, and most of the time there isn't enough time before a turnchat to hold a court hearing if an order isn't legal.

    Proposal 5:

    A stronger version of proposal 4:

    *Acting as guardian of the constitution. In the absence of justices informing the directors if they're not following the constitution such as not polling major decisions or posting unconstitutional polls.
    *Can veto any order if it is illegal or too major so it had to be polled beforehand.
    Proposal 6:

    Change:

    Directors must poll all major decisions, such as deciding what science advance to pursue, what to build in a city, or where to place the workers in a particular city. However, they can act on minor decisions without polling the people, such as what to do in the event of a mindworm attack.
    into:

    Directors and governors must poll all major decisions, such as deciding what science advance to pursue, whether to construct boreholes, or whether to construct a secret project. However, they can act on minor decisions without polling the people, such as what to do in the event of a mindworm attack.
    That should solve the "worker placements need to be polled" discussion.

    Proposal 7:

    Delete:

    Base Names:

    The alpha talent or the commissioner will pick 5 names from the name thread and will put them in a poll where a name for a new city can be chosen. This poll has to be open for at least 2 days. The name with the most votes will be chosen for the base and will be scraped from the list. The same counts for landmarks. If someone wants to name a place without a landmark a poll has started about giving it a name or not. This poll will also have minimum of 2 days.
    out of Article II and insert the following under DIA duties:

    *Polling basenames and landmarks
    That should sette the discussion about the DIA making unconstitutional base name polls.

    Proposal 8a and 8b:

    Because our map will soon be fully explored by a sky hydroponics lab, the DEI will lose half of its current job description. Therefore I would propose to merge DEI with DFA or DPO, and let that director handle covert operations as well.
    Delete:

    Director of Exploration and Intelligence:

    Has the right of:
    *Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
    *Ordering the commissioner to move any exploration units and covert ops units
    *Asking the director of Peacekeeping Operations for exploration units
    *Advising any other part of the government

    Has the duties of:
    *Starting polls to ask the people what their wishes are in his area
    *Listening to the will of the people in his area
    *Consulting the director of Foreign Affairs during covert ops actions
    *Giving back control of exploration units to the director of Peacekeeping Operations when the situation asks for it
    *Serving his faction the best he can

    The Director Exploration and Intelligence is command of exploration units and covert ops units.
    and add under DFA: (proposal 8a)

    *Ordering the commissioner to move any covert ops units
    or, add under DPO: (proposal 8b)

    *Ordering the commissioner to move any covert ops units
    Proposal 9:

    Under Article II, change:

    Office Terms:
    All office terms shall last one month. A member can run for a different office at the end of his term, but he cannot change offices during it. If a member is elected three times into the same government office, that member may not run for that government office the fourth consecutive term. After the fourth term he may run for any government office that is available. If this rule let not have a fully seated government, the rule will be deemed invalid for that term.
    into:

    Office Terms:
    All office terms shall last one month. A member can run for a different office at the end of his term, but he cannot change offices during it. If a member is elected three times into the same government office, that member may not run for that government office the fourth consecutive term. After the fourth term he may run for any government office that is available. If this rule let not have a fully seated government, the rule will be deemed invalid for that term.
    Officials can be divised in four groups:
    1. Commissioner and Alpha Talent
    2. Directors
    3. Governors
    4. Justices
    It is not allowed to run for two positions in the same group. Nor is it allowed to combine a position in group one with a position in group two or four. All other combinations are allowed.
    Proposal 10a and 10b:

    Proposal 10a: merge the positions of Director of Science and Director of Social Engineering into the Directorate of Science and Social Engineering (DSSE). A better name is always welcome.
    This would create the following new entry in the constitution: (if a few other constitutional updates are accepted as well)

    Director of Science and Social Engineering:

    Has the duties of:
    *Starting polls to ask the people what their wishes are in his area
    *Ordering the Commissioner what the next researched advancement is
    *Requesting base facilities to the DIA and governors
    *Giving his opinion to the Director of Foreign Affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
    *Ordering the commissioner to change the social engineering page
    *Consulting for advice directors which are effected by changes made in the social engineering’s page
    *Advising any other part of the government
    *Listening to the will of the people in his area
    *Serving his faction the best he can

    The Director of Science and Social Engineering shall choose the technology advance to research, and is responsible for the social engineering page.

    May NOT:
    Change the social engineering settings unless there has been a definitive (50+%) "Yes" vote in favour of the change.
    Proposal 10b: Keep the Directorates seperate, but add the following to Article II: Office Terms:

    Office Terms:
    All office terms shall last one month. A member can run for a different office at the end of his term, but he cannot change offices during it. If a member is elected three times into the same government office, that member may not run for that government office the fourth consecutive term. After the fourth term he may run for any government office that is available. If this rule let not have a fully seated government, the rule will be deemed invalid for that term.
    Officials can be divised in four groups:
    1. Commissioner and Alpha Talent
    2. Directors
    3. Governors
    4. Justices
    It is not allowed to run for two positions in the same group, with the exception that the DSE can also run for and hold the position of DoS, and vice versa. Nor is it allowed to combine a position in group one with a position in group two or four. All other combinations are allowed.
    100
    Proposal 1: YEA!
    8.00%
    8
    Proposal 1: NAY!
    2.00%
    2
    Proposal 2: YEA!
    8.00%
    8
    Proposal 2: NAY!
    2.00%
    2
    Proposal 3: YEA!
    8.00%
    8
    Proposal 3: NAY!
    2.00%
    2
    Proposal 4: YEA!
    9.00%
    9
    Proposal 4: NAY!
    1.00%
    1
    Proposal 5: YEA!
    6.00%
    6
    Proposal 5: NAY!
    4.00%
    4
    Proposal 6: YEA!
    8.00%
    8
    Proposal 6: NAY!
    2.00%
    2
    Proposal 7: YEA!
    9.00%
    9
    Proposal 7: NAY!
    1.00%
    1
    Proposal 8a: YEA! Merge DEI with DFA.
    3.00%
    3
    Proposal 8b: YEA! Merge DEI with DPO.
    5.00%
    5
    Proposal 8: NAY! Keep things the same!
    2.00%
    2
    Proposal 9: YEA!
    7.00%
    7
    Proposal 9: NAY!
    1.00%
    1
    Proposal 10a: YEA! Merge DSE and DoS.
    2.00%
    2
    Proposal 10b: YEA! Allowing accumulation of these positions.
    6.00%
    6
    Proposal 10: NAY! Keep things the same!
    2.00%
    2
    Write-in
    0.00%
    0
    Write the constitution on xenobanana peels.
    2.00%
    2

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Maniac; February 18, 2003, 13:51.
    Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
    Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

  • #2
    *XENOBUMP*
    Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
    Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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    • #3
      All proposals passed. 8b and 10b win the triple choice proposals.
      Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
      Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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      • #4
        Actually...

        from the Constitution
        An amendment is passed and made official by a 2/3 or greater vote on the amendment's inclusion.
        Proposal 5 has been defeated. Furthermore, proposals 8 and 10 are uncertain, because no single option won 2/3 of the votes. I recommend repolling them with the more popular option placed against not amending the Constitution at all.

        As an aspiring Justice, I have to know these things. Anyway, good work, it just needs some last-minute adjustments.
        Adam T. Gieseler

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        • #5
          good work adam+maniac. it looks as if we'll have to wait a week (was it?) to repoll it though

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          • #6
            You dont have to wait a week to repoll it. If you refer to GT's silly amendment, it doesnt concern finals.
            "Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean there's not someone following me..."
            "I shall return and I shall be billions"

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            • #7
              oh, right

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              • #8
                Proposal 5 removed from the constitution. Proposal 8 and 10 will be repolled in a 2-day poll so we have the results in before the elections.
                Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
                Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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