OFFICIAL : Green Wealth

[GeneralTacticus]

Semantics. If Green wins this poll, then the previous one might as well never have happened. If FM wins, then it still might as well never have have happened, because it will be implemented on the basis of this poll and not the last one.

[Lemmy]

Semantics. If Green wins this poll, then the previous one might as well never have happened. If FM wins, then it still might as well never have have happened, because it will be implemente don the basis of this poll and not the last one.

I don't see a problem with that, but the options of this poll did depend on the results of the previous polls, it isn't as if it has never happened.

[GeneralTacticus]

But they don't. We're being offered the same options as we we were before: FM or Green. As I have said repeatedly, tacking a values sytem onto Green does not change matters one bit.

[Lemmy]

But they don't. We're being offered the same options as we we were before: FM or Green. As I have said repeatedly, tacking a values sytem onto Green does not change matters one bit.

How are you so sure?
Do you know what every citizen thinks, are you sure that there aren't people who are a willing to vote for Green/Wealth, but not for Green/Knowledge?
You can say it as much as you like, but you can't be sure, not after the results of this poll.


Besides, your claim that Pande will de everything to prevent FM from being chosen is still just that, only a claim
He already posted his order to be the result of this poll, and FM is winning.
Then the wording of the option also indicate that he has accepted FM as our Eco model.
These 2 things are clear evidence against your claim.

[Lemmy]

Pandemoniak:

The differnce is that I am not polling two times the same question pretending that the first poll was invalid, unlike you. These two polls I posted are about the same subject but have clearly different choices.

What polls are you exactly referring to?

[Pandemoniak]

Archaic's two polls :

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70073

(note that he pretends FM had a mojority, when "Never" had 7 votes. Though the results of this poll (do not switch FM now) were obvious, Archaic post another poll http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=71554

[Lemmy]

While i agree that the majority was against FM then, he wasn't wrong to post the poll, since the constitution had changed after all. The previous results didn't reply apply anymore in the current constitution..

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak
Archaic's two polls :

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70073

(note that he pretends FM had a mojority, when "Never" had 7 votes. Though the results of this poll (do not switch FM now) were obvious, Archaic post another poll http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=71554

Geez, you like to lie and distort the facts, don't you? Kindly get your head out of your arse, or else someone might just push it up there so far you end up eating your testes from the inside.

In favour of FM: 11 (6 Now, 3 ASAP, 2 Eventually)
Not in favour of FM: 7

The reason I posted another poll, as already stated, was because I believed the results of this poll to have been invalidated by your change to the constitution. If I was going to post another poll because of this specific poll, I would've posted one asking when FM should be implimented (Now, ASAP or Eventually), as FM had clearly won that poll.

N.B. Note that even though it had won, that because I believed the results of that poll to have been invalidated by the changed constitution, I didn't impliment the poll's results.

[Pandemoniak]

NB : this post was meant to directly answer Lemmy's

Indeed. But the constitution change wasnt retroactive, so the poll results were still viable. Moreover, while the first poll's answer was : "we dont want FM now", he just repeated the question on the second poll : "Do you want FM now ?"
While I asked in my first poll : "Do you prefer FM 40/20/40 over Green ?", people said "we prefer FM 40/20/40" and I asked "Fine. Do you prefer it to Green/Wealth ?" (as suggested by Maniac's and Cedayon). Here's the big difference between the two double pollings.

[Lemmy]

In favour of FM: 11 (6 Now, 3 ASAP, 2 Eventually)
Not in favour of FM: 7

N.B. Note that even though it had won, that because I believed the results of that poll to have been invalidated by the changed constitution, I didn't impliment the poll's results.

No point really in discussing it now, but still, you have a weird way of interpreting poll results. Since a minority was for implementing FM Now (back then). Unless you consider "Now", "ASAP", and "Eventually" to be the very next turnchat.

[Archaic]

I considered FM to have won. If not for that constitution change (Which I felt made that poll invalid because the change had come about because of the poll itself), I then would've polled for when we should switch to FM and given several ranges of time periods ranging from "now" (ie. The next turnchat) to...well.....around now.

[Cedayon]

Pan: I see the justification (though I may not agree with it) for not cancelling the tie-breaker poll. Thanks for responding.

Your answer to my other question was not quite as satisfactory, however.

Originally posted by Pandemoniak
Though I know the engine of history is the struggle between classes, I cannot foresee future
-- Pandemoniak,
-- in For I have walked with the Drones

I suppose I wasn't very clear in posing my question, it's been known to happen from time to time. In any case, I ask again:

If FM wins this poll, will you give orders that we switch to FM for the next turnchat?

I want a straight answer: Yes, or no.

This is a matter of a citizen asking a director to state his/her intentions.

You don't have to consider situations like the sun disappearing between now and then or some such.

[Cedayon]

Out of curiosity, what's the timeout on this poll?

[GeneralTacticus]

4 days after it started; should be closing in about 40-45 minutes.

[Archaic]

About 15 minutes to go now, but there's no reason not to start the party early.