Turn Report 2235-2242

[GeneralTacticus]

Main events:

1) We got Fusion Power.

2) We discovered that Morgan is researching Planetary economics, but this does us little good, because:

3) We're currently suffering from sunspots, which prevent us from communicating witht he other factions.

4) We've suffered a number of attacks from the native life, which have destroyed numerous units, including several crawlers.

5) We built our first prototype of an air unit at NA, and drilled several boreholes in Jedinica Vrijstaat.

6) Our faction-wide ecodamage totals have declined significantly, with NS being the only base that still has it.

7) We stole the Hive world map, though this consisted largely of updated terraforming information.

8) We hooked an AA up to the Network Node at NT, and obtained Centauri Meditation.

9) We found another AA in a pod in the fungus up north.

10) We bred the world's first captive mindworms in the Biology Labs at Deus Ex Machina.

11) We've also built a seabase near the Hive, along with several other bases.

[Cedayon]

I did the logging, I hope I didn't mangle it too badly

Log to follow.

[Cedayon]

* GT^Commish has joined #smacdg
(The-Evangelion-Freak) Afternoon (?)
(GT^Commish) morning.
(Cedayon) Greetings, GT
(Mania^gov) hi
(GT^Commish) Well, this is unusual.
(Mania^gov) Yeah I know :-)
* Cedayon is now known as Cedayon^gov
(Cedayon^gov) So we're going to be 2 Secret Projects stronger in 2 turns?
(The-Evangelion-Freak)
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Was there any change in your orders from the ones you poste
din the Akiria thread to the ones in orders thread?
(GT^Commish) And, yes.
(GT^Commish) We will be.
(Cedayon^gov) I added the "General Orders" thing, and a note about the rushes
(Cedayon^gov) But no change to build orders, former orders, crawler orders, or
worker orders
(GT^Commish) Okay, good.
(Mania^gov) Oh yes, are my DEI orders ok? I haven't been paying attention to the
DEI's actions the last month(s), so I don't know at all if they're consistent
with the previous plans.
(Mania^gov) Which I couldn't find btw as Drogue didn't seem to have posted orders
for the previous chat either. :-(
(GT^Commish) i'm just examining them (while eating breakfastat the same time).
(Mania^gov) I'm eating an icecream.
(Cedayon^gov) Drogue appears to be absent, I was in PMs with him (and was
expecting a set of prelim orders from him to work off of), but I haven't heard
from him since just after the elections closed
(Mania^gov) Last online:
(Mania^gov) 15:27 31-01-2003
(Mania^gov) Drogue...
(Cedayon^gov) About 30-31 hours ago?
* AdamTG02 is now known as AdamTG02^DSci
(Mania^gov) looks like it. It's 22.52 at my place.
* GT^Commish is now known as GT^AFK
(GT^AFK) toilet.
(Cedayon^gov) 17.02 on my (fast) clock
(Mania^gov) Where do you live?
(Cedayon^gov) Georgia, US
(Mania^gov) Ah I see.
(Mania^gov) Me in snowy Belgium.
(Cedayon^gov) yea, I'm one of those ignorant Americans you hear all about
(Mania^gov) lol
(Cedayon^gov) I've never been to Belgium, but I have been in France and Germany
(Mania^gov) Ah the big neighbours.
(Mania^gov) We are the humble country between the big chauvinists. :-D
(Cedayon^gov) You consider France "big"?
* GT^AFK is now known as GT^Commish
(Mania^gov) Well um...
(Cedayon^gov) Anyone here planning to record the chat?
(GT^Commish) Who was here first?
(Cedayon^gov) Me
(GT^Commish) If all else fails, I can do it, I'm the only one that has to be ehre
the whole time.
(Cedayon^gov) I just got IRC today though, so I don't know off hand to record
(Mania^gov) I'm also logging ATM, but I probably won't stay the entire time.
(Cedayon^gov) I'll be here the whole time barring a crash
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: You see the little icon next to file, in the top left hand
corner?
(GT^Commish) Go down to 'buffer', and clikc 'save as'.
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, there's disconnect, options, tools.... *looking*
(Cedayon^gov) found it
(GT^Commish) It'll save the file as a .log file, you need to open it with notepad.
(Cedayon^gov) saved in the logs dir... and I just save when we're done here?
(Cedayon^gov) I have .log's bound to textpad, but yea
(Cedayon^gov) or not, wrong computer
(Mania^gov) 2200 GMT!
(Cedayon^gov) yea, the log file's there and looks as expected. No time stamps
needed?
(GT^Commish) Maniac: I just printed the roders, so let's go.
(GT^Commish) * orders
(Cedayon^gov)
(GT^Commish) btw - DBTS apparently intends to breeed our first mindworms at Deeus
Ex Machina.
(GT^Commish) * Deus
(Cedayon^gov) an interesting decision, but I guess they can be useful
(Mania^gov) And then to think he voted for Free Market...
(Cedayon^gov) I think he said it was to annoy the CCCP
(GT^Commish) Maybe he just wants to build something in his region first.
(Cedayon^gov) Then again, a warmonger doesn't need much of an excuse to build
military units
(GT^Commish) Anyway, Maniac: Did you want me to replace the second SC in the
Concordia queue?
(AdamTG02^DSci) Mind Worm are always state of the art, and presumably we wouldn't
attack Yang with the weapons we have prototyped.
(GT^Commish) What?
(GT^Commish) IIRC, in SMAC, they're pretty much useless against Fusion and up.
(Mania^gov) Yep. So finish the current one, then another one, and then a military
unit.
(GT^Commish) Okay, thanks.
(GT^Commish) That's what I assumed, just had to make sure.
(AdamTG02^DSci) Are they? I never had trouble, considering that they ignore the
armor of the defender.
(GT^Commish) And the units you asked for will have to wait until we develop Fusion.
(AdamTG02^DSci) But you may be right... I haven't played too many conquest games,
since I tend to be Builder.
(GT^Commish) Adam: It's because of hit points difference. Even if they do ignore
armous, they can't take them off fast enough.
(Cedayon^gov) I thought mind worms did more damage to compensate for the extra HP
you get at higher reactors?
(Cedayon^gov) or was that in SMACX?
(GT^Commish) I know, but I didn't think that wa simplemente duntil SMAX.
(Mania^gov) indeed. But I presume it will be researched (or at least it would've
been under FM - don't know about planned)
(Cedayon^gov) ahh, so once we get fusion units out there we have little to fear
from the worms?
(GT^Commish) Depend son when it was put in. I'm not sure.
(GT^Commish) But, hopefully, yes.
(Mania^gov) It was already implemented in a plain smac patch I believe
(GT^Commish) Well, I guess we'll find out when a Fusion unit first attacks a
mindworm.
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Did you want me to switch the CC in Aurora to a TF, or just
the queue?
(Cedayon^gov) just the queue
(Cedayon^gov) no changes to current projects
(Cedayon^gov) although I did want rushes on all the current projects, as it's
pretty cheap
(GT^Commish) Were there any rush requests TKG didn't grant?
(Mania^gov) don't think so
(Cedayon^gov) Considering our income and stockpile, it'd take a LOT of rushing to
pose a problem
(GT^Commish) Okay, we have a problem with UNRC.
(Cedayon^gov) what kind of problem?
(AdamTG02^DSci) What's up?
(GT^Commish) Due to the fact that it's supporting 2 units (after the mindworm
attack a while ago) it produces NO MINERALS.
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, and no amount of worker juggling will solve that?
(GT^Commish) Nope.
(Mania^gov) It's located very bad
* Lemmy has joined #smacdg
(Cedayon^gov) a crawler could be sent over, rehomed, and set on minerals
(GT^Commish) The only squares that will produce enough nutrients to keep them
alive don't produce minerals.
* Lemmy is now known as Lemmy||Cit|Convict|Evil
(Mania^gov) Hi Lemmy. Will you try to corrupt us with your evilness?
* Lemmy||Cit|Convict|Evil is now known as Lemmy||Ctz|Convict|Evil
(Lemmy||Ctz|Convict|Evil)
* Lemmy||Ctz|Convict|Evil is now known as Lemmy||Ctz|Ex-Con|Evil
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: That might be an idea. Do we ahve a spare crawler?
(Cedayon^gov) Dunno, lemme check
* Mania^gov thinks we'll probably have to give that base to the UoP anyway.
* herc2 has joined #smacdg
(GT^Commish) btw, Zanarkand Gate has finished with it's famine.
(herc2) Big crowd tonight , hello everybody
(Cedayon^gov) the nearest one in the '35 save is at 25,101, east of Mysidia
(GT^Commish) hi herc.
(Cedayon^gov) Hey Herc
* Lemmy||Ctz|Ex-Con|Evil sneaks up on herc from behind....."BOO!"
(GT^Commish) Ceayon: because of the roads, the one at 21,103 would actually get
there quicker.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) Lemmy,
(Lemmy||Ctz|Ex-Con|Evil) furnituuuuure!
(The-Evangelion-Freak) I thought you were the New-and-improved-furniture?
(GT^Commish) However,t eh question is, can we pull the crawler of it's current
task to generate minerals for somewhere else.
(Cedayon^gov) Are you sure? if the 25,101 one went south, wouldn't it be one
square ahead?
(Cedayon^gov) the 25,101 one is generating 2 of New Suez's 24 mineral surplus
(Cedayon^gov) it would solve NS's ED problem
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: No, it wouldn't.
(GT^Commish) About the crawler mvoing faster,t hat is/
(GT^Commish) that is.
(GT^Commish) If the 21,103 crawler went E, it would be 1 square ahead of the
25,101 one.
(Cedayon^gov) Right, I was thinking of the wrong alternative crawler
(Cedayon^gov) and it would make a turn's difference in getting to UNRC... hmm,
could one of UNRCs units be rehomed to Crystalis?
(AdamTG02^DSci) Is time really critical, though? UNRP is working on a Crawler, if
I recall the orders right. Not really something that needs to be produced as
soon as humanly possible.
(GT^Commish) Thing is, until it gets some more minerals, it's not going to produce
anything, ever.
(Cedayon^gov) stagnant growth too, yea
(Cedayon^gov) unless that former can farm one square and mine another
(GT^Commish) btw, apparently our net income just hit 120.
(AdamTG02^DSci) True. My point is not that it's not a problem but that one turn
won't mae that big of a difference.
(AdamTG02^DSci) mae -) make
(GT^Commish) Well, if it's just a toss-up, then you go for whichever one is faster.
(GT^Commish) Even if it's only one turn.
* AdamTG02^DSci shrugs.
(AdamTG02^DSci) I was thinking that the eastern one was preferable, given that
it's producing eco-damage in New Suez.
(Cedayon^gov) The crawler is probably the better long-term solution... it'll cut
Mysidia's minerals from 16 to 14, I think, but that's not so big
(GT^Commish) Okay, quickpoll - 1 = use the 21,103 crawler, 2 = use the 25,101
crawler, 3 = don't use a crawler, 4 = abstain.
(Cedayon^gov) the ED in NS can be solved by moving a worker, actually... not that
it's necessarily something that needs to be done
* GT^Commish 1
* Mania^gov 3
(Cedayon^gov) 1
(AdamTG02^DSci) 2
(herc2) 1
(GT^Commish) Okay, we use the 21,101 crawler,t hen.
(GT^Commish) 21,203, rather.
(AdamTG02^DSci) Looks like the 1s have it. I stand outvoted.
(Cedayon^gov) tyrrany of the majority
(GT^Commish) btw, I've now finished the build queue and worker allocation orders.
(GT^Commish) moving on to crawlers & formers.
(Cedayon^gov) Great ... Cyclops actually *got* a queue this time, right?
(herc2) right
* Logging #smacdg to 'logs\#smacdg.GRNet.log'
(GT^Commish) It seems Yang has been suffering somewhat from attrition to his probe
teams.
(GT^Commish) He only has 1 left, compared to 3 a little while ago.
(Mania^gov) ?
(Cedayon^gov) Yes, I noticed that in the save
(Cedayon^gov) I'd say he got his money's worth, though, considering all the techs
he was (apparently) stealing from the Uni
(GT^Commish) Maniac: last I checked, he had three. Now he has one.
(GT^Commish) And he's currently 200
(Mania^gov) Thanks for the explanation. :-)
(GT^Commish) + points overdue fro Polymorphic software.
(GT^Commish) anyway, he also seems to be suffering a lot of Drone Ritos, esecially
in the occupied bases.
(Cedayon^gov) I imagine the Uni citizens see the writing on the wall, and are
acting accordingly
(GT^Commish) He's presumably relying on building Rec Commons to alleviate this.
(GT^Commish) On, and he has an income of -9.
(GT^Commish) The Uni bases are huge liabilities for him.
(GT^Commish) University Base alone takes 7 off his income.
(Cedayon^gov) Yang's not exactly Mr.Moneybags normally
(GT^Commish) Yeah, but there's not a single University base that's actually
producing any money for him.
* Lemmy||Ctz|Ex-Con|Evil is now known as Lemmy|Evil
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, an interesting predicament he's in... only 204 in the reserves
too, so it's not like he can rush all those rec commons in the drone'd bases
(GT^Commish) Quite.
(GT^Commish) Hopefully, he'll implode without us ever having to attack him at all.
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) The AI will drive him on to take those last 2 uni bases anyway,
despite the likelyhood that it'll only hurt him more
(Cedayon^gov) 'course, if those riots escalate and destroy some stuff, the energy
costs may go down... or do AI players not get hit with riot escalations?
(GT^Commish) Dunno, actually.
(GT^Commish) Be nice if the riots escalated enough for them to revolt and join the
Uni.
(Mania^gov) Yang's not doing it for the money, just for mere power!
(GT^Commish) Then he would be completely f*cked.
(Mania^gov) Indeed.
(Cedayon^gov) Could our probe teams add significantly to his drone problems?
(GT^Commish) Not really.
(GT^Commish) None of the rioting bases are easily accessible to our probes.
(Cedayon^gov) thought so, just relishing the thought of giving him another kick in
the...
(GT^Commish) We could throw a few spanners in the works if we blew up some Rec
Commons, though.
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) hehe
(Cedayon^gov) Is it likely that we could steal enough of that reserve to put him
in a real jam?
(herc2) Don't want to risk our boys just for those things
(Cedayon^gov) *nods* just wondering, it wouldn't really be a productive use of
forces anyway
(GT^Commish) Re: stealing money... the less he has, the less we get, and if it
goes low enough, we get nothing.
(Cedayon^gov) k, I thought the algorithm was like that... ah well, we can just
watch Yang implode without helping it along
(GT^Commish) Okay, governor orders done, just have to do director orders.
(Cedayon^gov) Cool
(Cedayon^gov) The Spartan's are in a bit of a jam too, with -3/turn and 102
reserves
(GT^Commish) Mind you, they put themselves in it by building eocnomically pathetic
bases, rather than conquering them.
(GT^Commish) And running Frontier/Planned can't have helped, either.
(Cedayon^gov) yea... Spartans also have difficulty with the concept of terrafoming
(Mania^gov) Any AI I'd say...
(GT^Commish) They've planted a hell of a lot of forest, but no solar colelctors.
(GT^Commish) Works quite well when they're trying to build & maintain an army, but
not good fort he economy.
(Cedayon^gov) Yang's biggest problem appears to be the hologram theatres at 3 a
piece, and the network nodes from the Uni bases that didn't cost Zakh anything
to maintain
(GT^Commish) Indeed.
(GT^Commish) University Base is burning a massive hole in his wallet.
(GT^Commish) Anyway, down to the last moves: our probe teams are about to sneak
into The Hive.
(herc2) Is there anything to stea;l now or is it sabotag
(GT^Commish) Drogue wants us to steal the world map.
(herc2) steal / sabotage
(Mania^gov) Besides that we have everything.
(GT^Commish) Yang wants to speak to us.
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, interesting
(GT^Commish) Talk, or refuse?
(Cedayon^gov) Does he call often?
(Cedayon^gov) can it hurt to talk with him?
(GT^Commish) No, but then again, this is first time we've dropped off a land unit
on his continent.
* Mania^gov refuse
(herc2) lets hear what he has to say
(The-Evangelion-Freak) indeed, it can't hurt us
(Mania^gov) Probably some money
(The-Evangelion-Freak) we can always tell him to **** off
(Cedayon^gov) yep
(GT^Commish) Now, he wants us to attack the University.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) ...
(GT^Commish) refuse, obviously.
(Cedayon^gov) what is he gonna do? Double-secret Vendetta us?
(herc2) joke
(The-Evangelion-Freak) slap him
(GT^Commish) ROFLMAO
(GT^Commish) He wants us to give his 1150 ECs for peace.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) he's desperate
(The-Evangelion-Freak) wait
(The-Evangelion-Freak) he wants US
(The-Evangelion-Freak) to give him money?!
(GT^Commish) No, he wants US to give HIM money.
(GT^Commish) yes.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) I read that as him giving us money
(Cedayon^gov) he only has 200 or so
(GT^Commish) I refused, of course.
* AdamTG02^DSci chuckles.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) :dyslexic:
(AdamTG02^DSci) He's really in trouble, if he has to resort to outrageous damands
he knows we won't grant to pay his Network Node bills.
(GT^Commish) "You are a blight upon this planet, Lal. Destroying you will be a
service to humanity."
(Cedayon^gov) ok, probe the bastard
(The-Evangelion-Freak) Heh
(The-Evangelion-Freak) He's pissed off now
(GT^Commish) Probe 1 going in.
(GT^Commish) mission accomplished.
(Cedayon^gov) the map?
(Mania^gov) Survival?
(GT^Commish) Probe team returned to Metropolis and was promoted to Veteran status.
(Cedayon^gov) woo hoo!
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: yep.
(Mania^gov) Should we let that probe team explore north??
(herc2) big round of applause for the team
(Cedayon^gov) anything good in the map?
(GT^Commish) Mainly updates on Hive terraforming.
(GT^Commish) Maniac: I'd say ni.
(GT^Commish) no.
* The-Evangelion-Freak has a Monty Python moment *
(The-Evangelion-Freak) ... Ni!
(herc2) no hide in fungus somewhere out of reach od needlejets if taht s possible
(GT^Commish) Well this is *VERY* odd.
(herc2) u know what i mean
(The-Evangelion-Freak) hmm?
(GT^Commish) We saw Yang build a needlejet some time ago, yet he now doesn't have
one, is building another one, and apparently hasn't lost the first one.
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, did we see him finish it?
(Mania^gov) production switch
(GT^Commish) Yes.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) he switched to something else then
(The-Evangelion-Freak) yeah, what they said
(GT^Commish) No, he built it.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) hmmm
(GT^Commish) Maniac: No he did finish it.
(AdamTG02^DSci) Did we see the unit itself, then?
(GT^Commish) In his datalinks, yes.
(Mania^gov) Perhaps it has been hijacked by the University resistance???
(GT^Commish) lol
(The-Evangelion-Freak) cue Twilight Zone music
(The-Evangelion-Freak) What about the Sargasso Triangle?
(Cedayon^gov) Yea, it's listed as "1 active" in the data links
(AdamTG02^DSci) Interesting. Leave it to Zakharov to think up a Probe Jet with
Air Superiority.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) Probe Jet
(Cedayon^gov) It should be in the "Socialism Tunnels" base
(Cedayon^gov) can't do probe jets... but perhaps the AI ca
(GT^Commish) It is.
(Cedayon^gov) * can
(GT^Commish) Either it's got a malfunctiooning cloaking device, or I just didn't
see it before.
(Cedayon^gov) hehe
(GT^Commish) anyway, turn complete.
(Cedayon^gov)

[Cedayon]

(GT^Commish) Oh F*CK!!!
(The-Evangelion-Freak) ack
(The-Evangelion-Freak) what is it?
(Cedayon^gov) native attack or something?
(GT^Commish) We just had some Locusts of Chiron come out of the fungus and destroy
a crawler near NS.
* Lemmy|Evil is now known as The-Evangelion-UnFreak
(The-Evangelion-Freak)
(Cedayon^gov) :
(The-Evangelion-Freak) Locusts?!
(GT^Commish) We need some Empath Interceptors.
(Mania^gov) Am I happy I'm not producing eco-damage.
(herc2) aearlier than expected
(GT^Commish) This didn't come up because of ED, Maniac.
(Cedayon^gov) wouldn't empath SAMs do? ... oh, no NG, nm
(GT^Commish) It just came out of the fungus.
(Mania^gov) How then?
(GT^Commish) why do worms ever appear?
(Mania^gov) They usually do. j/k
(GT^Commish) They just do.
(Mania^gov) "It came out of the fungus". What does that remind me of?
(GT^Commish) Okay, Aurora just Dron Rioted.
(Cedayon^gov) Hrm.
(Cedayon^gov) Specialist?
(herc2) It must be to do with us getting airpower
* The-Evangelion-UnFreak is now known as Lemmy
(GT^Commish) Forgot that the PTS only helps with drones when under size 4.
(Cedayon^gov) I knew it was going to grow, wasn't expecting that though
(GT^Commish) Okay, well, the Empath Guild is now complete.
(GT^Commish) Other than that, nothing's happened.
(Mania^gov) Talking about possible drone riots, what's the situation in
Pandemonium after you've settled Aurora?
(Cedayon^gov)
(AdamTG02^DSci) Zakharov still has both of his bases?
(GT^Commish) oddly enough, yes. On of the units Budshii Dvor is nearly dead, but
other than that, Yang seems to have pulled back.
(Mania^gov)
(GT^Commish) Maniac: could do with a doctor from one of the fungal squares.
(Cedayon^gov) How's Aurora?
(AdamTG02^DSci) Possibly Yang is occupied with policing the newly conquered bases.
(Mania^gov) Go ahead. Could you please check Pandemonium at the end of each
turn as long as it's pop booming?
(GT^Commish) Ok.
(Mania^gov) tx
(GT^Commish) Adam: Possibly.
(GT^Commish) However, it appears that the Uni now has a unit in Yang's 'territory'
(the bits he conquered).
(Cedayon^gov) Perhaps Zakh has acquired balls? Or just an AI glitch?
(herc2) Before end of turn can you check in design workshop that some units for
prototyping are avaialable plus does anyone want to build an aerospace complex
(GT^Commish) Yes, there's one being built at NA.
(Cedayon^gov) New Apolyton has one in the queue, no?
(Mania^gov) I'll build a Aerospace complex in Terminal Dogma after the hab complex
is finished
(herc2) sounds fine
(Mania^gov) Should be a good base for air raids on the Hive.
(GT^Commish) Does anybody know if you actually need Empath to attack Locusts?
(GT^Commish) SAM, rather.
(Mania^gov) Nope
(Cedayon^gov) I think you can attack them as if they were worms, as long as
they're not over the sea
(Mania^gov) they're gravships gametechnially
(GT^Commish) Well that's a problem, because this swarm is.
(herc2) didn'tknowthat
(herc2) how many
(GT^Commish) We can pull back the former that was going to clear fungus and
upgrade th local rover to Trance.
(GT^Commish) Herc: there's only one, but that's trouble enough.
(Mania^gov) not sam?
(GT^Commish) No point.
(GT^Commish) IT (hopefully) won't be over the ocean next turn, and we won't need
SAM to defend against it.
(GT^Commish) Does AAA work against them, btw?
(Mania^gov) ah yes indeed
(Mania^gov) Not a clue, now you mention it...
(Cedayon^gov) I think they count as air units with regards to AAA... in any case
if you retreat the former, the locusts will likely suicide against the base
defenders
(Mania^gov) Shall we test it? :-)
(herc2) yes
(GT^Commish) So, AAA or Trance?
(herc2) trance
(Mania^gov) AAA, as a scientific experiment.
(Cedayon^gov) Trance, more general
(GT^Commish) btw, I'm moving the Empath Rover down from TBIBTU to NA, just in case.
(GT^Commish) Well, AAA provides more defens, but w edon't know if it will work.
(Mania^gov) ok
(GT^Commish) Even if it doesn't, the Empath Rover should be able to toast them.
(Cedayon^gov) btw, is the talent/drone balance restored in aurora?
(GT^Commish) Yes.
(Cedayon^gov)
(GT^Commish) Only just, but the base won't grow next turn.
(GT^Commish) Anyway, I'd say we should go with AAA.
(GT^Commish) Like I said, even if it doesn't work, we have the empath Rover.
(Cedayon^gov) k, if you think it's best
(Mania^gov) So will we poll again for clarity?
(GT^Commish) okay.
(herc2) give aaa a go
(GT^Commish) quikpoll: 1 = AAA, 2 = Trance, 3 = Abstain.
(Cedayon^gov) 1
(AdamTG02^DSci) 3
* Mania^gov 1
* GT^Commish 1
(Cedayon^gov) carries, no?
(GT^Commish) carried.
(Mania^gov) I'm curious to the results.
(GT^Commish) Will cost 50 ECs.
(Mania^gov) to what do you upgrade precisely?
(Mania^gov) 1-(3)-1?
(GT^Commish) AAA Gatling Rover.
(Cedayon^gov) a bit steep for 1 unit, but AAA can be very useful
(GT^Commish) The local base defence is damaged.
(Mania^gov) Ah. Didn't know that
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, will the AAA help the 1 defense rover much?
(GT^Commish) yes, given that it's psi combat.
(Cedayon^gov) oh, right... if AAA applies to psi, hmm... well, an experiment it is

(GT^Commish) And trance would be even more expensive, anyway.
(Mania^gov) I just hope the public opinio doesn't hear of this...
(Cedayon^gov) hehe
(Cedayon^gov) *slightly modifies the log* ... jk
(GT^Commish) btw, the road to Ankh-Morpork is now done.
(Mania^gov)
(Mania^gov) Great!
(AdamTG02^DSci) You mean the road away from Ankh-Morpork?
(herc2) I stand over my decision
(GT^Commish) You can now get from any base in the faction to any other without
leaving the road.
(herc2) lets introduce Tolls
(Cedayon^gov) particularly for incoming traffic from MorganLand
(Cedayon^gov) That CP still on its way, btw?
(AdamTG02^DSci) The CCCP will have a fit. Well, maybe not. As long as the
government is runnig the tolls.
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Which one?
(GT^Commish) Oh, the Morgan one.
(Cedayon^gov) yea, still on its way to terra incognita?
(GT^Commish) The one I pointed out may well get eaten by the locusts; there's a
second one too.
(GT^Commish) Noth of them are still going.
(GT^Commish) * Both
(Cedayon^gov) jeez, that guy's got nerve
(Cedayon^gov) *has civ3 flashbacks of AI players sending hordes of workers and
settlers through his territory... shudder*
(herc2) he's worried
(Mania^gov) We cut off all his colonization room.
(GT^Commish) He still has plenty down south of Mt Planet.
(Cedayon^gov) so the colonization algorithm gets in a funk and sends CPs to the
-undiscovered and unmapped- ruins.
(GT^Commish) btw, shall we call him up and see if he has anything new for us?
(herc2) yes
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: He's not sending them to the ruins.
(Cedayon^gov) Give 'em a call
(Mania^gov) no
(Cedayon^gov) oh, I meant near to them
(Mania^gov) not until we've gone FM I'd say
(AdamTG02^DSci) I say don't. No need to strain our relationship; we may be
adopting FM fairly soon.
(Cedayon^gov) hmm... think he might cancel the pact/
(Cedayon^gov) ?
(GT^Commish) Well, i did, and he didn't.
(AdamTG02^DSci) Fair enough.
(GT^Commish) He gave us his maps, and he says he's researching Planetary Economics.
(Cedayon^gov) ooo
(GT^Commish) He'll have it a turn after we get fusion Power.
(Cedayon^gov) Nice, think we'll be able to, um, extract it?
(GT^Commish) Hopefully we can get him to trade it.
(herc2) thats what I was thinking
(Cedayon^gov) 'cause with that other tech winning it might be a while till we'd
get to PE on our own
(GT^Commish) Unless he decides that he doesn't want us with the Ascetic Virtues,
in which case our embassy may have to 'acquire' it.
(GT^Commish) Anyway, it seems he hasn't done any exploring south of Mt Planet at
all.
(Cedayon^gov) Do we have maps of the area?
(Cedayon^gov) looks like someone set off a mining pod down there, in either case
(herc2) visits hi tech bathroom to recycle
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Yes, we got the maps from him.
(GT^Commish) But he hasn't done any exploring there for ages.
(Cedayon^gov) I guess we shouldn't be surprised if the AI plays Morgan
less-than-stellar-ly
(Cedayon^gov) although he has the highest score right now, apart from us
(GT^Commish) Due to commerce, and our pop score.
(GT^Commish) Okay, down to the last few moves again.
(herc2) what turn ourweat
(GT^Commish) Maniac: Should I move the Empath Rover in Concrodia down in case it's
needed to kill the Locusts?
(Cedayon^gov) Gonna check growing bases for possible drone problems?
(GT^Commish) Herc: 2236.
(Mania^gov) Down to where?
(Mania^gov) To New Suez?
(Mania^gov) Herc's call I think btw.
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Done, and action taken.
(Cedayon^gov) Thank you
(GT^Commish) Maniac: as close tot eh action as possible. I asked you because it's
ther efor your defence.
(herc2) yes construction in NS important
(Mania^gov) If you think it's necessary. personally I think though the locust will
long be destroyed before that rover arrives.
(GT^Commish) You're probably right, I was just thinking 'just in case'.
(Cedayon^gov) The locust could, just to spite us, roll ridiculously well in
combat...
(GT^Commish) Okay, moving down.
(Cedayon^gov) I've seen one take out 3 reasonably good defenders once (took 3
turns, of course)... only once though, thankfully
(GT^Commish) 2236 complete.
(Cedayon^gov)
(GT^Commish) Okay, the locust fought quite well, but we got it.
(Cedayon^gov)
(GT^Commish) Unfortunately I didn't see if AAA worked, but presumably it did.
(herc2) damag to us
(Mania^gov) So we're in a new turn?
(GT^Commish) Herc: &0%.
(GT^Commish) AMniac: Yes.
(GT^Commish) 70%
(Mania^gov) How's Pandemonium then?
(GT^Commish) f*ck.
(Cedayon^gov) uh oh
(GT^Commish) Suspots.
(GT^Commish) sunspots.
(herc2) comms
(Mania^gov) no communications or increased eco-damage?
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, may not be trading for PE after all...
(Mania^gov) comms thus
(GT^Commish) We've lost contact with all factions for next 20 odd years.
(GT^Commish) Looks like Voltaire won't have much to do this term.
(Mania^gov) Bye bye UoP...
(Cedayon^gov) at least it didn't happen before we could get elected governor
(GT^Commish) btw, we just got the HSA.
(Cedayon^gov) woo hoo!
(herc2) good one
(GT^Commish) Maniac:
(Cedayon^gov) we can now laugh at our -probe rating...
(GT^Commish) Well, the UoP looks pretty screwed now.
(GT^Commish) There are hive impact rovers parked outside both of their remaining
bases.
(Cedayon^gov) oh, yea, the Uni's definately gone now
(GT^Commish) I just hope they can restart somewhere.
(Cedayon^gov) is that rule on?
(Mania^gov) I thought restart was off.
(Mania^gov) I'll check
(AdamTG02^DSci) Nothing we can do about it.
(Lemmy) o.O uni destroyed?
(GT^Commish) Lemmy: No.
(GT^Commish) Not yet.
(GT^Commish) but they soon will be.
(Mania^gov) Do or Die: Dont restart eliminated players : NO
(Cedayon^gov) but we can't bail them anymore
(Mania^gov) From the FAQ thread
(Lemmy) so they'll be restarted?
(GT^Commish) AMniac: So we do ahve restarting factions, yes?
(Mania^gov) I think so. Those double negatives are really annoying.
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) there's a chance at a restart, right? Is this affected by year or
how filled the land is?
(Lemmy) it would opens up interesting RP possibilities..
(GT^Commish) Cedayon : I think it's how filled the land is, but there are still a
few empty islands.
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) And there's the area north of us
(AdamTG02^DSci) Cedayon: I believe it is. Given that it's over a century into the
game, they might not be restarted.
(GT^Commish) One of the Morganite CPs in our territory just turned around and is
heading to a spot SE of Mt Planet.
(Cedayon^gov) it'd be quite the irony if they restarted north of our border
(Mania^gov) lol
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(Lemmy) oops..
(Mania^gov) hi! ;^)
(GT^Commish) Maybe they heard us.
(Cedayon^gov) so the Morgan CP was listening to us?
(Cedayon^gov) *checks for Morganite bugs on the line*
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(Cedayon^gov|AFK) brb
(herc2) wonder what Morgan will do now that we have the HSA
(Lemmy) time for some sleep...vye
(Lemmy) bye*
(herc2) bye
(Mania^gov) bye
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(GT^Commish) Herc: He's building a Research Hospital.
(GT^Commish) Maniac: What did you want me to do witht he crawler that jsut got
built in concordia?
(GT^Commish) * just.
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(Mania^gov) Convoy minerals on the rocky mined tile S of Concordia
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(GT^Commish) Ok.
(GT^Commish) btw, amniac, your Thermal Borehole just got built outside Valhalla.
(GT^Commish) * Maniac.
(Mania^gov) The second should be rehomed to Valhalla and crawl another mine.
(Cedayon^gov) ooo, boreholes
(GT^Commish) Valhalla just stole NA's Morganite commerce.
(Mania^gov) Good about the borehole. Now we can switch a Valhallan worker to that?
(Mania^gov) hehe ;-)
(Mania^gov) Already done so I guess
(GT^Commish) Yes, it was.
(GT^Commish) Did TKG want us to build the Sea of Pholus or the near Hive seabses
first?
(Mania^gov) Base Near the Hive
(Mania^gov) 2 bases:
(Mania^gov) S S of Leader's Horde second pod
(Mania^gov) 4x E of that Send the first pod here
(GT^Commish) So, the near Hive bases firs,t yes?
(Mania^gov) I guess so yes.
(herc2) any word on the production of that new base on the peninsula island
(Mania^gov) Isn't there land 4 E of 2 S of Leader's Horde?
(GT^Commish) Herc: which one?
(Mania^gov) I haven't got the map nearby.
(GT^Commish) MAniac: no.
(herc2) east of Metropois
(Mania^gov) Ah that way. :-)
(GT^Commish) Herc: ShSw just built the CP.
(GT^Commish) TD just built one too.
(Mania^gov) Wow that's soon.
(Mania^gov) And how is the police infatry production in Pandemonium. That unit was
supposed to accompany the CP from TeDo
(GT^Commish) Dhould get built next turn.
(GT^Commish) btw, Pandemonium *IS* pop booming, FYI.
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(Mania^gov) Should be all right then.
(Mania^gov) Ah and how are the drones doing?
(AdamTG02^DSci) I've got to go now. Take care, all.
(Cedayon^gov) Btw, would it be possible to either rush Akiria's rec tanks and move
the rec commons up, or just switch to rec commons immediately and rush?
(Mania^gov) bye
(GT^Commish) bye
(herc3) ok bye
(Cedayon^gov) See ya Adam
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(GT^Commish) Maniac: same as last turn. Another fungal worker turned into a Doctor.
(Cedayon^gov) Aurora's, rather
(Mania^gov) gd gd
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: i'll check.
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) 'cause I'd like to get it back on the growth track while we still
have easy pop-boom
(GT^Commish) It's building a TF.
(GT^Commish) Do you want me to switch?
(Cedayon^gov) *duh* sorry, didn't see the top of my own build queue
(Cedayon^gov) how many minerals would it lose switching to a rec commons?
(GT^Commish) none.
(Cedayon^gov) do it
(GT^Commish) no minerals have been spent on the TF yet.
(Cedayon^gov) ah, right, cause it lost that turn due to riots
(GT^Commish) Where shall I insert the TF, then?
(GT^Commish) end of queue?
(Cedayon^gov) at the top, please
(GT^Commish) start?
(Cedayon^gov) start
(GT^Commish) Done.
(Cedayon^gov) just need to get that rec commons in so enough land can be worked
for nuts
(GT^Commish) Can probably rush next turn.
(GT^Commish) Maniac: What do you want me to do with the former that Ankh-Morpork
just built?
(Cedayon^gov) good
(Mania^gov) Build a road to that other new base location?
(GT^Commish) 3 N of Mertopolis?
(GT^Commish) * Metropolis
(Mania^gov) yep
(Mania^gov) Then if there is a Metropolitan former, that can build a road to the
future base on the peninsula.
(Cedayon^gov) btw, has New Tass. grown to 9 yet?
(GT^Commish) Yep.
(GT^Commish) You can probably releas ethe Doctors now.
(herc3) who's that imposter herc3
(Cedayon^gov) Did you move those two workers to forest squares? And if there are
any more forest squares, feel free to release as many docs as is safe
(herc3) who's that imposter herc2
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Done.
(Cedayon^gov) Thanks
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(Gt^AFK) toilet, again.
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(Mania^gov) What does afk mean btw?
(herc3) walks about looks at maps.
(Cedayon^gov) away from keyboard
(Mania^gov) Ok thanks. :-)
(herc3) thanks
(Cedayon^gov) sure and IAW is in another window, though I don't see that around
here
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[Cedayon]

(GT^Commish) back.
(Cedayon^gov) wb
(GT^Commish) 2237 complete.
(GT^Commish) income: 121 pter turn.
(GT^Commish) per turn
(Cedayon^gov) anything explode?
(GT^Commish) haven't ende dthe turn yet.
(Cedayon^gov) ah, k
(GT^Commish) 3 turns to Fp.
(GT^Commish) Fusion Power
(Cedayon^gov) I'm looking forward to that...
(Cedayon^gov) Engineers
(Cedayon^gov) oh, and Fusion labs
(GT^Commish) And we have 506 votes in the Planetary Council.
(Cedayon^gov) The game should, at some point, just say: You control the Planetary
Council
(GT^Commish) btw, you know Morgan now has more money than us?
(Cedayon^gov) He was very close in the '35 save
(Mania^gov) My my... It should be interesting to calculate how much children every
parent should have to reach that amount in 140 years.
(GT^Commish) The Hive just took Budushii Dvor.
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) Zakh needs a new pair of underwear...
(herc3) what about that base offer we contemplated
(Cedayon^gov) sunspots
(Cedayon^gov) comms blocked for ~20 years
(GT^Commish) There are Hive troops surrounding Mendelev College as well, but Zakh
*MAY* be able to hold them off.
(GT^Commish) For now.
(GT^Commish) Just finished the borehole outside NA, too.
(Cedayon^gov) just a matter of time, unless Yang backs off entirely by some miracle
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) Getting pretty hot in the capital, I imagine
(GT^Commish) There are mindworms outside DEM.
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: He took that ages ago.
(GT^Commish) Zakh has no HQ now.
(Cedayon^gov) I meant our capital
(Cedayon^gov) NA
(Cedayon^gov) borehole = lots of heat
(GT^Commish) Oh, sorry.
(GT^Commish) lol
(Cedayon^gov) Those worms threatening DEM?
(Cedayon^gov) or the formers or crawlers around it?
(GT^Commish) DEM.
(GT^Commish) Herc, can I attack them?
(GT^Commish) Odds are 27 to 16, in our favour.
(herc3) ok
(GT^Commish) Victory - just.
(Cedayon^gov) crispy critters ... how much damage?
(GT^Commish) Lost 80% of our health.
(Cedayon^gov) ouch, harsh for those odds
(herc3) yeah ouch
(GT^Commish) Got upgraded to Hardened, and ollected 30 ECs.
(GT^Commish) colelcted
(GT^Commish) collected
(GT^Commish) And we're now over 100 ECs ahead of Morgan.
(Cedayon^gov) Perhaps we need to research spelling?
(herc3) u meen schpellghling
(GT^Commish) I just need to learn to type accurately when i'm in a hurry.
(GT^Commish) @ herc
(Cedayon^gov) It's quite something that he manages to hold par with us with about
a 6th of the per turn income... the AI doesn't rush much, though
(herc3) btW did you remane those seas
(GT^Commish) Maniac: Do you want Concordia to keep building crawlers? IT's
exhausted the build queue.
(herc3) rename
(Mania^gov) And how many turns is fusion power away. :-(
(GT^Commish) Herc: TKG gave no roders on that.
(GT^Commish) Maniac: 2.
(Mania^gov) ?
(Cedayon^gov) the poll on landmark names isn't closed yet
(Mania^gov) Ah I see
(Mania^gov) Let me think
(herc3) ah ok
(Mania^gov) Concordia could build another crawler while waiting the completion of
Fusion Power, send and rehome that crawler to Valhall, and then let it convoy
minerals on the forest on tile (checking...)
(Mania^gov) (14.78)
(GT^Commish) It will produce another 2 crawlers in that time, plus the current
one, I think.
(GT^Commish) We could always stockpile them to use on an SP.
(Mania^gov) Two crawlers in two turns?
(Mania^gov) Well sure, but in the meanwhile they need to do something. i'll check
for another free tile
(Mania^gov) can I temporarily use the forest on (14.80)?
(GT^Commish) Sure.
(GT^Commish) It's not as if anyone else is using it.
(Mania^gov) Thanks. That should be sufficient to hold it out until fusion power
(GT^Commish) Anyway, you're getting so many mins from mines, you're almos ton par
with TA or NS.
(Cedayon^gov) aka ED
(Mania^gov) I know. I even think my region produces more minerals than yours. :-D
(Mania^gov) But that will probably change once the northern bases break off.
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Actually, there's no ED there.
(GT^Commish) MAniac: you're probably right.
(GT^Commish) Anyway, 2238 complete.
(herc3) If I missed it ok what is the destination for the Sea colony pod out of
TBIBTU
(Cedayon^gov) I know, I was saying that it was "almost on par" with ED
(GT^Commish) Near the Hive.
(Mania^gov) I guess that will change once some boreholes get built. Then I'll need
to do a major rehaul of the crawlers to avoid ED.
(GT^Commish)
(GT^Commish) Those worms msut really love it near DEM.
(GT^Commish) must
(Mania^gov) 2 S of Leader's Horde?
(Cedayon^gov) will the new region be SS, A-M, Metro, and the new base up north?
(GT^Commish) MAniac: No, 4 E of that.
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Dunno.
(Mania^gov) Nope, A-M, Met, and the two other new northern bases 3 E and S of
Metropolis.
(GT^Commish) Anyway, two worms have just landed 2 NW of DEM.
(Cedayon^gov) fryable?
(GT^Commish) Not really.
(GT^Commish) They're too far to hit from the abse, and we'll probably lose if we
attack after moving.
(GT^Commish) btw, Xanadu just rioted, as well.
(Cedayon^gov) that's a pain
(herc3) have we trance on close units
(GT^Commish) nope.
(Cedayon^gov) only 2 garrison units in DEM, in the save, both without trance
(GT^Commish) yes.
(GT^Commish) btw, you know TA now ha sonly 3 ED?
(GT^Commish) has only
(Cedayon^gov) btw, is that rec commons in Aurora rushable now?
(Cedayon^gov) down to 3? cool
(Cedayon^gov) Some tree farms finished, like in New Tass
(herc3) You'll soon be eligible to join STEP
(GT^Commish) Re: Rec Commons - yes, for 36 ECs.
(GT^Commish) You want it done?
(Cedayon^gov) is that it what it tells you, or what it actually needs?
(GT^Commish) ?
(GT^Commish) it would cost 36 ECs to rush all of the remaining mins.
(Cedayon^gov) Does it say it needs 36 when you click hurry? Can some be shaven
off that?
(GT^Commish) 18 if you just wanted to finish it without carry-over, but thta
wouldn't be a very good idea.
(herc3) seems reasonable
(Cedayon^gov) ah, spend what you feel would be a good idea, then
(GT^Commish) Does anyone remember what square the FWS base was supposed to be
built on?
(GT^Commish) The southern one?
(Cedayon^gov) it's in the orders thread, I think, I'll go check
(Mania^gov) no it's not I'm afraid. :-(
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, TKG told me somewhere
(GT^Commish) Can you find the poll?
(Mania^gov) I hope the directory is updated... I'll go check.
(Cedayon^gov) 16.102, according to TKG, it's E E E S of ZG
(GT^Commish) Ok, thanks
(Cedayon^gov) and it was in the order's thread
(GT^Commish) It should be built next turn.
(Cedayon^gov) whee
(Mania^gov)
(Mania^gov) I still don't see it. Even a bigger Oh well.
(Mania^gov) Found it.
(Cedayon^gov) right above your orders- ah, you found it
(GT^Commish) Mysidia apparently just built a Thermal Borehole.
(GT^Commish) Unfortunately it can't be worked because ther ewouldn't be enough
food.
(GT^Commish) Oh, and what should we do with the AA when ti reaches NT?
(GT^Commish) it
(Cedayon^gov) crawl it? or better yet crawl food and work the hole
(Cedayon^gov) Who's decision is it?
(Cedayon^gov) the AA, that is
(Mania^gov) Voltaire's
(GT^Commish) Cedayon - re: crawling food - good idea.
(GT^Commish) Maniac: Is it really?
(Mania^gov) Mysidia?
(Cedayon^gov) he might have been talking about the crawler, not the AA
(GT^Commish) It was found in Akiria.
(Mania^gov) again. Just ignore me next time I say something. ;-)
(GT^Commish) It could be Adam's, Drogue's, or Cedayon's.
(GT^Commish) Most likely Adam's.
(Cedayon^gov) doesn't the DPO or DEI have control over units though? In any case,
if we hooked it in for tech could it wind up giving us Fusion?
(Mania^gov) What happened to our previous artifacts btw? Did they turn into tech?
(herc3) It akiria' s reponsibility
(Cedayon^gov) If it could give us Fusion it might be a better idea to wait until
we have it
(Cedayon^gov) have fusion, that is
(GT^Commish) Why?
(GT^Commish) We wouldn't lose the research points.
(GT^Commish) ManiacL yes.
(Cedayon^gov) oh, we wouldn't? Then hook it up
(Cedayon^gov) unless it's needed for an SP somewhere
(GT^Commish) Something tells me you've been playing a lot of Civ III
(Mania^gov) Ah btw, when I said Voltaire, I was talking about the borehole.
(GT^Commish) And, no, we don't need it for an SP.
(Cedayon^gov) Civ3, haven't played much since I saw my mech infantry in a mountain
fortress get raped consistently by knights
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) In any case, if it's my decision, hook the AA in for tech
(GT^Commish) Ok, now starting on a borehole outside Antioch.
(Cedayon^gov) Jeez, Centralis' turning into swiss cheese
(GT^Commish) MAniac: We have another crawler done, it can crawl another mine, but
could it be rehomed to Valhalla for it's use?
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Just take a look at Jedinica.
(Cedayon^gov) I know, I voted for them too
(GT^Commish) The place is going to be riddled with them by the time we're done.
(Cedayon^gov) I was trying to get my roommate to join and vote for the JV
boreholes back when the poll was going, it would have put all but one of them
over 50%
(Mania^gov) Oh great.
(GT^Commish) Vote fraud!
(Cedayon^gov) he would have been a genuine citizen though, he likes boreholes
(Cedayon^gov) I wasn't actually telling him what to vote, nor did he actually join
(GT^Commish) Does he actually play SMAC?
(Cedayon^gov) yep
(Cedayon^gov) He's a "kill the Planet!" kind of player
(herc3) Ah a Peace lover
(GT^Commish) Well, I think DBTS can say goodbye to his borehole project.
(Mania^gov) Anyway, GT, what crawler are you talking about? The first crawler from
Conc I asked to crawl a mine S of Conc, the second to be rehomed to Valhalla and
crawl a mine, and the next one or two also to rehome to Valhalla and crawl those
forests in the S outside the base radii. provided of course that doesn't give
Valhalla ED. then the crawlers should first be rehomed to Pandemonium.
(Mania^gov) Long explanation...
(GT^Commish) So the second former should have been rehomed to valhalla?
(Mania^gov) former
(Mania^gov) I thought you were talking about crawlers :confused;
(GT^Commish) I was, typo.
(Mania^gov) Yes it should have. But unless Concordia is generating ED, just let it
be.
(GT^Commish) 2239 complete.
(GT^Commish) We now have fusion Power.
(Mania^gov)
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) woo hoo!
(Cedayon^gov)
(GT^Commish)
(herc3) Great
(Cedayon^gov) getting about 30 thousand "do you want to upgrade..." messages?
(GT^Commish) Yes.
(GT^Commish) I take it we shouldn't upgrade any units until it's publicly approved?
(Cedayon^gov) Is it at all necessary to upgrade them right now?
(Mania^gov) Say no to all I guess. Btw, this would be a good time to clean up the
unit workshop from design we don't use.
(Cedayon^gov) he can clean between turnchats
(herc3) yes to maniac's proposal
(Mania^gov) Good idea! :-)
(GT^Commish) Now researching Adv. Ecological Engineering.
(Cedayon^gov) yea, it edged out PE...
(GT^Commish) Zanarkand Gate just Drone ritoed.
(Cedayon^gov) wonderful
(GT^Commish) pity.
(Cedayon^gov) we should be able to probe Morgan for PE next turn though, right?
(with authorization, of course)
(GT^Commish) Well, the worms killed the former that building a borehole near DEM,
and there's on that's now right outside the base.
(Cedayon^gov) fryable/
(Cedayon^gov) ?
(GT^Commish) Yes.
(GT^Commish) 3-2, in our favour.
(GT^Commish) herc?
(herc3) go
(GT^Commish) :jawdrop:
(GT^Commish) We lost.
(Cedayon^gov) ouch
(GT^Commish) At least the worm is almost dead.
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) can the last garrison get him?
(herc3) can't believe it
(GT^Commish) Can I kill it with the other garrison unit?
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: yes.
(Cedayon^gov) DBTS isn't gonna be a happy camper
(GT^Commish) Nor is anyone.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) :/
(herc3) yes
(GT^Commish) And, just to spite us, the worm reduced us to 20% health before dying.
(Cedayon^gov) goodness
(Cedayon^gov) that was a hella-worm
(The-Evangelion-Freak) yikes
(herc3) b****ard
(The-Evangelion-Freak) well, glad we got the bastard killed
(GT^Commish) At least we have the NA Empath Rover here to kill the other one.
(The-Evangelion-Freak) but at what cost :/
(GT^Commish) Looks like Zakharov will survive for another couple of turns.
(GT^Commish) wtf?
(herc3) how com
(Cedayon^gov) improbably good fortune, though I'm not sure how much difference
it'll make
(GT^Commish) Xanadu was building a Sea Colony Pod, but there's nowhere fot it go.
(Cedayon^gov) Explore with it?
(GT^Commish) I'll leave it there for now.
(herc3) No just move it 1 turn at a time
(GT^Commish) btw, we're about to hook up the AA in NT.
(Cedayon^gov)
(GT^Commish) We got Centuri Meditation.
(GT^Commish) Watch our economy boom from all those empaths.
(Mania^gov) Ah great.
(Cedayon^gov)
(Mania^gov) No more doctors. We've got spiritual guidance now.
(Cedayon^gov) and engineers, no?
(Mania^gov) :s or :-)

[Cedayon]

(Mania^gov) Engineers, of course! GT, could you please change all my librarians
into engineers?
(Cedayon^gov) question: what's the current mineral output of NT?
(GT^Commish) Dunno, I'll have to check. I have another problem.
(Cedayon^gov) k, just wondering if a worker can be spared for engineer work
(GT^Commish) The FWS base was supposed to be called 'Espito del Aqua', correct?
(Cedayon^gov) Espirito del Aqua, yes
(GT^Commish) 'Espitiro', rahter
(herc3) it was 11 at one stage
(Cedayon^gov) problem with the name size?
(Mania^gov) Espirito del Aqua
(GT^Commish) No, it jsut wans't in TKG's orders.
(GT^Commish) btw, mineral output of NT is 19.
(Cedayon^gov) he told me in the orders chat that the CP was being build in ZG and
was to be built E E E S of ZG
(Cedayon^gov) if you pull one of the forest workers, does it change the ETA on the
current project?
(GT^Commish) No.
(Cedayon^gov) Could you make that worker an engineer, then?
(GT^Commish) btw, current economic output is now 195
(GT^Commish) I have.
(Cedayon^gov) per turn?
(Cedayon^gov) and thanks
(GT^Commish) Yes, per turn.
(Cedayon^gov) geez, and this is still in Planned...
(herc3) isn't that down a little
(Mania^gov) And have you changed the Jedinican workers please?
(GT^Commish) Yes.
(Mania^gov) tx
(Cedayon^gov) it was 122 or something before, right?
(GT^Commish) That was the reaosn for such a high figure.
(GT^Commish) Ye,s it was.
(Cedayon^gov) when we go FM... hoo boy
(GT^Commish) Fm will up it to 331
(Cedayon^gov) Wow
(GT^Commish) f*ck.
(Cedayon^gov) That's rushing material
(herc3) don't get excited
(GT^Commish) I tried to move one of the formers near NA into a fungus patch, and
there was a worm there.
(Cedayon^gov) Hrm, can the former get out of danger?
(GT^Commish) yes, but the worm is threatening two crawlers.
(herc3) have wew a sufficient defence
(GT^Commish) The Empath rover is down dealign with the worm near DEM.
(Cedayon^gov) What can be done?
(Mania^gov) Is the Concordian rover nearby?
(GT^Commish) Nope.
(GT^Commish) It's back in Concordia.
(GT^Commish) We can give the crawlers Trance for 60ECs each.
(Cedayon^gov) If it worm can't be fried right now, you could move one of the
crawlers onto the other and guard both with a garrison unit
(Cedayon^gov) or trance them, hmm
(Cedayon^gov) it's not like we're hurting for cash... but would the Trance make
the difference?
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: I don't think that would work; the worm would still win.
(GT^Commish) And, yes, Trance would likely make the difference.
(herc3) Have we a turn in hand
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, pull both crawlers out of range and wait for the worm to
approach the base? ... nah, just Trance 'em... does the 60/each include synth
metal?
(Mania^gov) 0-3t-1s Would be great for rushing an SP (though the rules say we may
not upgrade a crawler on purpose for SP rushing, now it would just be a
side-effect )
(Cedayon^gov) out of curiosity: what SPs are available for construction at this
time?
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: yes, the 60 ECs does include it.
(Cedayon^gov) k, I'm in favor of upgrading them
(GT^Commish) As for SPs: MAritime Control Centre & Xenoempathy Dome.
(GT^Commish) Anyone not in favour of upgrading?
(herc3) No upgrade
(Mania^gov) yes to upgrade
(Cedayon^gov) interesting, the XD would be quite fitting for Akiria, if the
production is available and the SP is worth it...
(GT^Commish) Ok, upgrading.
(Cedayon^gov) would it be a good idea to move one of the garrison units into one
of the crawler squares, so that if the worm attacks and wins, the garrison can
attack it without move penalties?
(Cedayon^gov) if the crawler were designated defender
(GT^Commish) The worms will hit the crawlers first.
(Cedayon^gov) I was counting on that... I was just wondering if we should have a
unit in position to fry it should it not die
(Cedayon^gov) brb
* Cedayon^gov is now known as Cedayon^gov|AFK
(GT^Commish) Maniac: what do you want done with the last crawler from Concordia?
There are no mine sleft.
(Mania^gov) On those forests outside the base radii
(Mania^gov) SE of Concordia
* Cedayon^gov|AFK is now known as Cedayon^gov
(Cedayon^gov) back
(Mania^gov) Don't forget to rehome them if they would cause eco-damage to
Concordia!
(Mania^gov) Btw, is Concordia now building a 6-(3)-1*2?
(herc3) I hope so
(GT^Commish) Yes.
(Mania^gov) thanks
(GT^Commish) What about the crawle rin Pandemonium?
(GT^Commish) crawler in
(GT^Commish)
(Mania^gov) Well that was supposed to be put on a free mine, but those are already
taken I have the feeling. ;-) I'll check the map.
(GT^Commish) We just popped a pod up in the northern fungus and got 150 ECs out of
it.
(Cedayon^gov) fear the dancing commissioner
(GT^Commish)
(Cedayon^gov) excellent
(Mania^gov) Is (14.64) free?
(herc3) not bad drinks for3 weeksar rec comm
(Mania^gov) and farmed?
(GT^Commish) Yes.
(GT^Commish) Oh, and our northern probe foil has stumbled across a Believer
transport carrying two units.
(Mania^gov) Good good. That should allow Pandemonium to popboom a little further
(Cedayon^gov) what kind of units?
(GT^Commish) Along with a pod.
(Mania^gov) Really? can you see to where they are going?
(GT^Commish) 2-1-2 & 4-2-2.
(GT^Commish) And no, I can't see wher ethey're oging.
(GT^Commish) Theough, if I had to guess, I'd say they're coming to invade us.
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, can a transport be probe-hijacked?
(GT^Commish) unfortunately not.
(Cedayon^gov) too bad
(GT^Commish) You can do it with the Pirates and that special ability of theirs,
but not with a probe.
(GT^Commish) Anyway, so, should I pop the pod?
(herc3) turns?
(GT^Commish) Full movement.
(Cedayon^gov) If you're asking me, go ahead
(herc3) I feel go for it
(GT^Commish) :reolleyes:
(GT^Commish)
(GT^Commish) IoD.
(Cedayon^gov) oh jeez
(GT^Commish) I'm getting out of there.
(herc3) agree
(GT^Commish) Though the Beleiver transport may end up not reaching us at all,
which is a bonus.
(Cedayon^gov) hehe, interesting how that could work out
(GT^Commish)
(GT^Commish) Twin Peaks may riot next turn, but if I take action to stop it, it
won't grow.
(Cedayon^gov) curious... no way to arrange the workers? Does it have any crawlers?
(GT^Commish) It has a nutrient crawler.
(Cedayon^gov) any squares in range that produce more nuts?
(GT^Commish) There's one, but it's being worked by aurora.
(Cedayon^gov) What happens to Aurora if it works an alternative square?
(GT^Commish) IT starves.
(Cedayon^gov) jeez, this is a ja
(Cedayon^gov) jam
(GT^Commish) I think it would be best just to sotp TP growing and wait for the rec
tanks.
(Cedayon^gov) agreed
(Cedayon^gov) thanks for checking, btw
(Cedayon^gov) what's the ETA on the tanks?
(Mania^gov) What year are we btw?
(GT^Commish) 2240.
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: 2 turns.
(Mania^gov) tx
(GT^Commish) 2240 complete.
(Cedayon^gov) k
(GT^Commish) :jawdrop:
(Cedayon^gov) again?
(Mania^gov) o oh
(GT^Commish) I moved a garrison unit to kill the worm near NA as you suggested,
and it was attacked and killed, taking the crawler with it.
(Cedayon^gov) in the future, ignore my suggestions
(Mania^gov) odd...
(GT^Commish) Probably because I didn't make the crawler the designated defender.
(GT^Commish) So, now we ahve to repalce that crawler, *AND* kill the worm.
(Cedayon^gov) I thought I mentioned that... but should it have been necessary,
since crawlers are usually first targets?
(GT^Commish) Anyway, we've also done the first captive breeding of worms on Planet.
(Mania^gov) But still. I thought the crawler would no longer count as non-military
due to its armour
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: I thought it would be, but for some reason it wasn't.
(GT^Commish) So did I.
(Cedayon^gov) Is that empath rover in range, or still where it was?
(GT^Commish) *SIGH* Drone Riots in Crystalis.
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Neither of the, moved, because i didn't think we needed them.
(Cedayon^gov) nerve staple! err, I guess a specialist will do
(Cedayon^gov) This game is getting on my nerves
(GT^Commish) I think my computer must be rolling loaded dice.
(Cedayon^gov) the computer is *always* rolling loaded dice, the question is if we
notice
(GT^Commish) the Empath Rover attacked a worm with 20-9 odds in our favour, and we
lost 80% of our health.
(Cedayon^gov) just now?
(Cedayon^gov) sorry 'bout the garrison and crawler, btw
(GT^Commish) yes, just now.
(Cedayon^gov) but the thing's dead, right?
(GT^Commish) And then I moved a CP into some fungus on the way to a base site,
and, of course, a worm appeared.
(Cedayon^gov) can the CP get to safety?
(GT^Commish) Yes, but it's escrot can't.
(GT^Commish) escort
(GT^Commish) Maniac: You got your second borehole, btw.
(Cedayon^gov) can the escort defend itself?
(herc3) smokes cigar
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: Not very well, especially not in the fugnus.
(GT^Commish) fungus
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, I figure it's already moved and thus cannot be upgraded?
(GT^Commish) Yes.
(Cedayon^gov) lovely
(GT^Commish) We're about to build our first base enar the Hive, btw.
(GT^Commish) near
(Cedayon^gov) No worms nearby?
(GT^Commish) none visible.
(Cedayon^gov) *crosses fingers*
(GT^Commish) We have three choices for names: Circular Quay, UN Aquaxenobanana, &
UN Slippery Ground.
(Cedayon^gov) I rather like UN Aquaxenobanana
(Mania^gov)
(Cedayon^gov) if it'll fit
(GT^Commish) quickpoll: 1 = CQ, 2 = UN Aq, 3 = UN SG, 4 = Abstain.
(Cedayon^gov) 2
* Mania^gov 2
* GT^Commish 2
(GT^Commish) carried.
(GT^Commish) And it fit.
(Cedayon^gov) cool ... btw, who manages that base?
(GT^Commish) No-one, yet.
(GT^Commish) And what should we build first? I'd say a 5-(3)-1 garrison unit.
(Mania^gov) The new governor of that northern region, temporarily.
(GT^Commish) But we don't have a govenror there, either.
(Cedayon^gov) k, and definately a garrison unit first, your discretion on exactly
what
(Mania^gov) I know. :-(
(Mania^gov) I'd suggest a cheap 10 min police infantry for that new unproductive
base. We can upgrade it later if needed.
(Cedayon^gov) yea, the mineral output is going to be rather low
(GT^Commish) Yes, that's probably a better idea, although we will need to upgrade
it to hold off Yang's jets.
(GT^Commish) We can rush it now for 44 ECs.
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, can his jets do anything to the base if it's ungarrisoned?
(GT^Commish) Not really.
(GT^Commish) But it does need to be garrisoned, and if it's garrisoned it needs to
be able to hold him off.
(Cedayon^gov) May as well rush though, it's not like it'll finish in a reasonable
amount of time without it
(GT^Commish) btw, I think that IoD sank the Believer transport.
(Cedayon^gov) hehehe
(Mania^gov) I would disagree. with thr eushing
(Mania^gov) with the rushing
(Cedayon^gov) it is a bit steep for 1 unit... is this the really cheap unit?
(Mania^gov) How many turns does it take to complete a 1 row unit normally?
(GT^Commish) 5, in this case.
(Cedayon^gov) for a new sea base without a mineral special?
(Cedayon^gov) a lot
(GT^Commish) The palce would probably have ritoed by then.
(GT^Commish) rioted
(Mania^gov) That should be fast enough. It's not like a Hive fleet will suddenly
turn up.
(Cedayon^gov) but an iod might
(GT^Commish) I'm talking intenral security, not external.
(Cedayon^gov) ah
(Cedayon^gov) We're going FM shortly anyway (unless the poll changes), and the
police unit won't help much under that
(Mania^gov) Then create a specialist. It's not like these unworked sea squares
produce anything anyway.
(GT^Commish) Oh well, it's a bit late, wanyway.
(GT^Commish) It's not as if we're short on cash, though.
(Mania^gov) How so?
(Mania^gov) Have you rushed it?
(GT^Commish) I already did it, that's why.
(Mania^gov) He...
(GT^Commish) I'm moving DBTS' worms into the fungus so we don't have to support
them.
* herc3 has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
(Cedayon^gov) ah well, it's good to at least have someone there. Here's to hoping
Yang doesn't do a flyover...
(Mania^gov) What turn is it now?
(Cedayon^gov) '41 by my count
(GT^Commish) Yes.
(GT^Commish) Just doing last-minute checking.
(GT^Commish) Maniac: what did you want built in TeDo after the TF & HC?
(Mania^gov) aerospace complex
(GT^Commish) Ok.
(GT^Commish) 2241 complete.
(Cedayon^gov)
(GT^Commish) Okay, crop failures in NT (can't check to see if it's starving yet).
(Cedayon^gov) *waits for crap to hit fan*
(GT^Commish) The worms near NA killed the other crawler, but were badly damaged.
(Cedayon^gov) and the crap obligingly hit the fan
(GT^Commish) And we built our first air unit in NA.
(GT^Commish) Oh, and TeDo just rioted.
(Mania^gov) Darn
(Mania^gov) Easily fixed with an empath I guess
(Cedayon^gov) I figure NT is pretty screwed food-wise
(GT^Commish) Yep.
(Cedayon^gov) I knew I should have just ordered that condensor instead of polling
it
(GT^Commish) Even with maximum food production, there's still a shortfall.
(Cedayon^gov) how many turns will the stockpile last?
(GT^Commish) Fidn you, you have a Sea Former due next turn, which could help.
(GT^Commish) Mind you
(Cedayon^gov) yea... hmm, how about with mineral crawlers converted to nuts?
(GT^Commish) The stockpile should last 9-10 turns, so, if you can get a kelp farm,
it will outlast the famine.
(Cedayon^gov) oh, 9-10 turns isn't a big crisis
(Cedayon^gov) how long is the crop failure gonna last?
(GT^Commish) 10 turns.
(Cedayon^gov) hmm, do I have former orders for that thing? *checks*
(GT^Commish) And with the use of the mineral crawlers as you suggested, you're
breaking even.
(Cedayon^gov) ... what's the mineral production now?
(GT^Commish) 16.
(Cedayon^gov) and it looks like no orders listed for the NT sea former, so if it
comes up just kelp farm an adjacent square
(Cedayon^gov) 16? That's great, considering the situation
(Cedayon^gov) I guess I should be happy it happened to a max size base like NT,
and not one of the others
(Cedayon^gov) it definately removes any pressing need to build a Hab Complex there

(GT^Commish) Okay, we're now about to build one last land base near Crystalis.
(Cedayon^gov) was this the one that triggered the worm?
(GT^Commish) No.
(GT^Commish) Choice of names: Heaven's Gate or Shangri'La.
(Cedayon^gov) Heaven's Gate is my fave of the two
(GT^Commish) Or we can just leave it until the poll finishes (this is the last
turn)
(Cedayon^gov) can always change it later too
(Cedayon^gov) Whatever works
(GT^Commish) Quickpoll: 1 = Heaven's Gate, 2 = Shangri'La, 3 = leave it, 4 =
Abstain.
(Cedayon^gov) 1
(Mania^gov) If it's a port: Heaven's Gate.
(Cedayon^gov) oh, is it not a port?
(GT^Commish) It is a port.
(Mania^gov) don't know probably I guess
(Cedayon^gov) good
(GT^Commish) Ok, Heaven's Gate it is.
(GT^Commish) And we're also ready to build a new base north of Metropolis.
(GT^Commish) Call it Shangri-La?
(Mania^gov) Shangri La indeed.
(Cedayon^gov) sounds good to me
(GT^Commish)
(GT^Commish) We found another AA in a pod up north.
(Cedayon^gov) Excellent!
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(GT^Commish) 'course, getting it back may be a bit tricky.
(Cedayon^gov) true, be very careful about them worms
(GT^Commish) Ok, I think that's about it.
(GT^Commish) Cedayon, do you have the log?
(Cedayon^gov) yup
(Cedayon^gov) I can post it, if you start the turn report thread
(GT^Commish) I'll post the report, and provide a link for the thread.
(herc2) Ok
(Cedayon^gov) you mean I shouldn't just post the lot of it in the thread like
you've done previously?
(Mania^gov) Ok. Time to go for me too. I reached MY 2168 tonight btw in my smacdg
2101 challenge. :-)
(Cedayon^gov) ahh, so that's what you were doing
(GT^Commish) Cedayon: No, a link so that you can find the thread more easily.
* B has joined #smacdg
(GT^Commish) ?
(Cedayon^gov) oh, ok
* B slaps B around a bit with a large trout
* B is now known as Mania
(Mania) Hé?
(GT^Commish) ????????
(Mania) Fun.
* Mania slaps Mania^gov around a bit with a large trout
(herc2) gudebye
(Cedayon^gov) Bye herc
(Mania) I suddenly disconnected.
* herc2 has quit IRC (Quit: )
(Cedayon^gov) ah, that must have been entertaining
* Mania slaps Mania^gov around a bit with a large trout
(Mania) Oh well, I guess my clone will disappear somewhere soon
* Mania is now known as Maniac
* Maniac is now known as Maniac^gov
(Cedayon^gov) btw, where in the log should I start for posting?
(GT^Commish) Start from Maniac's anouncement "2200 GMT", or anywhere before that.
(GT^Commish) I usually just start at the beginning.
(Cedayon^gov) k
(GT^Commish) And insert 'Start Chat' just after that if you want to start before
that.
(Cedayon^gov) I'll probably start from where you came in
End of #smacdg buffer Sat Feb 01 22:04:54 2003

[GeneralTacticus]

Total energy spent on rushing & upgrading:

Akiria: 152
Centralis: 150
Jedinica Vrijstaat: 60
Twin Sea: 50
Aurillion Province: 0
Directorate of Peacekeeping Operations: 0
EDIT: Total: 412 ECs.

Despite these expenses, our energy reserves increased by at 1000 during the chat.

[Maniac]

Cedayon, how did you turn all those "<" and ">"s into "(" and ")"s so that the names appeared?

[Cedayon]

Opened it up in wordpad (comes with every windows since 95, I think), went to the Edit menu, then to "Replace" (hotkey Ctrl-H), put '<' in the "Find What" field and '(' in the "Replace With" field, and clicked "Replace All". Waited a bit for it to finish that, then repeated the process with '>' and ')'. I then manually changed back the strikethrough tags I used in one of my lines. Then I did the "break it up into bite-size chunks for poly's character and image limit" deal.

[Maniac]

Wow. I never saw such a replacement function. Very handy indeed.

[Cedayon]

Aye, and that's in wordpad, which isn't exactly feature-laden

There's a rather nice (imho) text editor to be found here:

http://www.textpad.com/

It allows you to, among other things, do search and replace through all open files at the same time. I've even heard of one that allows you to do it on all files on your computer (open or not)... but that could be overkill

[moomin]

Using anything but emacs for text editing should be punishable offense. But I digress. What I wanted to ask you gents was if there's any chance of anyone taking a world map screen shot and putting it up here? I can't load the save because I've given away my SMAC disk but would like to check on the latest progress anyway.

[Cedayon]

I've heard oodles about emacs, but have never gotten un-lazy enough to try it.

Re: the world map, sure, I'll post it in a bit, gotta get some stuff onto one of these computers to do it first.

[Cedayon]

I took a shot of the whole map, so detail is understandably low:

*crosses fingers and hopes the screenshot will actually be attached*

[Hercules]

Cedayon: Great stuff. Perhaps you could copy that info about the turnchat <> to the thread 'ACDG turnchat operation for directors, aspiring directors and everyone else' way back there on page 4