Office of the Director of Social Engineering

[Archaic]

All those desiring an input into the way this directorship is run should post here. Arguements with the director are encouraged, however you should know that the director is anything but social in his rebuttals of those who would challenge him, especially if they're treading over ground which he has already covered.

[Archaic]

This post will later be updated with an FAQ of all points already answered. Read it before debating. Other links to topics, et. al. related to this office may be posted here too.

[Drogue]

During the election you stated:

If we have the vats, then the PK's should be at the forefront of the Brave New World, and go TC. If we have the Backbone, we go Cybernetic.

Does this mean you are prepared to support a change to Thought Control if we aquire the Cloning Vats?

You also stated you want to change to FM ASAP, so should we expect a poll on that in the very near future?

[Archaic]

Yes, I am. And I can give you a rather extensive RP justification for this. Want it?

Yes. And you can expect a poll on "Elect the person - elect their policies" soon too, assuming I can get the Comissioner to allow it.

[Pandemoniak]

And you can expect a poll on "Elect the person - elect their policies" soon too, assuming I can get the Comissioner to allow it.

What do you mean by that ?

[Archaic]

I mean that people would give a policy statement before being elected that they'd have to try to keep to as much as possible, but they wouldn't have to poll the electorate to get their policies through.

Let's use my FM stance for example. There were 21 votes in the election I remember. 10 for me, 9 for him, and 2 abstains. Now, let's assume I have to poll the electorate to get FM in place. 10 people vote for me in that.....but 11 people vote against. Therefore, despite the fact that I got into office, I can't get through the policies I put forth that got me voted in in the first place.

[Pandemoniak]

I mean that people would give a policy statement before being elected that they'd have to try to keep to as much as possible, but they wouldn't have to poll the electorate to get their policies through.

Ok, thats what I thought. This is totally unconstitutional, and this is stanced very cleary in the constitution :

UN Constitution says :
They are required to conduct polls in order to interpret the people’s will.

and this is especially true for the Director of Social Engineering

UN Constitution says :
May NOT:
Change the social engineering settings if there hasn’t been a poll saying it is ok.

assuming I can get the Comissioner to allow it.

This is not up to the Commisioner, but to the people. You'll need to pass an amendment to have such a thing. In case you think I have a wrong interpretation of the UN Constitution, you can still ask the Justices advice.


Theres no way to do that.

[Drogue]

Unless he takes the election as a poll of policies, which for DSE the election is based on policies. In that case he has fulfilled: "May NOT: Change the social engineering settings if there hasn’t been a poll saying it is ok." In that that the election was the poll for SE settings.

Saying that, I would be against such a move. Even though I'm all for giving more power to elected officials, I think there should be a poll to show public opinion, just that for more minor decisions (with a change of SE is not) are subject to the Directors on ideas. If the Director doesn't go with the poll, he'll usually be elected out.

Archaic:

Yes, I am. And I can give you a rather extensive RP justification for this. Want it?

Yes please, be interesting to hear.

[Aaron Blackwell]

Archaic,

We had a long discussion during the election where we both had the opportunity to start debating our different point of view concerning Free Market policies.

I think I have clearly made clear that such a switch will not be easy.

Now that you have been elected DSE and knowing you want to switch to FM, I think it is high time you expose the reasons WHY it should be done and HOW it should be done.

Such a change should not be taken lightly as the social and ecological consequence could be dramatic should we switch to FM and not properly doing the switch.

Now that you have been elected, you are in a favorable position to make yourself heard.

For the moment, I am certainly DON'T think that Free Market would be a good idea at least not right now and I think I am far from being the only one.

Here is your chance to convince the citizen to support your policies ( the election was to support you as a person and NOT necessarly your policies as a whole).

Yes, I am. And I can give you a rather extensive RP justification for this. Want it?

Yes, I would very much like to hear it. To be honest, the sole idea of supporting this policy is simply frightening.

Being a former member of the hive, I perfectly know how dangerous, inhuman and disrespectfull of human right these kind of policies are.

Because , to be honest, Thought control is like Police State. It is just a way for a minority to deprivate the majority of their fundamental right to freedom.

Though control would simply be more effective toward achieving that goal .... but that does not mean it is something to be desired.

The ball is on your side Archaic. I am waiting for your explanations ....

[Archaic]

Well DUH it's against the constitution unskilled labourer. I want the constitution changed, though I believe I already made that perfectly clear.

As for the matters of Thought Control and my FM policy, you ask quite a lot of me. The Thought Control justification I could perhaps write later tonight, but the FM would take time, seeing as first I need t break down all your foolish biases and misconceptions. (One must wonder if you've even actually properly used and got used to FM in a real game.)

EDIT: Oh, and perhaps you'd like to give the reasons you think we *shouldn't* switch to FM. GT's already rebutted all of them in the STEP thread, but it wouldn't hurt if they were reposted here too.

[Aaron Blackwell]

As for the matters of Thought Control and my FM policy, you ask quite a lot of me. The Thought Control justification I could perhaps write later tonight, but the FM would take time, seeing as first I need t break down all your foolish biases and misconceptions.

This is not a justification to NOT explain your policies and why we should switch to Free Market, Archaic.

This attempt at avoiding the discussion will not be successfull.

Besides, considering that Though Control will not be a possibility availabe in MANY,MANY years, I think that the Free Market justification has the priority ... especially since you want us to switch to that.

seeing as first I need t break down all your foolish biases and misconceptions. (One must wonder if you've even actually properly used and got used to FM in a real game.)

Also, I am asking for an intelligent and constructive response. I hardly consider this sort of what could be considered personal attack as an acceptable response.

This is not the first you are caught doing that Archaic. Though it was still acceptable when you were a normal citizen, it is no longer the case since you have the responsability of SE.

Oh, and perhaps you'd like to give the reasons you think we *shouldn't* switch to FM. GT's already rebutted all of them in the STEP thread, but it wouldn't hurt if they were reposted here too.

Yes, I would very much like that so that I could rebutte them in turn. This thread is supposed to be the official one concerning all that relates to Social Engineering.

So If you want to use this material, I am afraid that you will have to work to have it posted here. As Direction of SE, it is your responsability to make all relevant material concerning SE easily accessible to all citizens.

Besides, I specifically asked for YOUR opinion on the subject. I find the one of General Tacitus interesting but YOUR opinion on the subject is the one that is being requested by the citizen (that is why you were elected by the way).

Again, this futile attempt at avoiding to justify your policies will not be succesfull Archaic.

Also, I have already made several statments based on REAL FACT to why switching to FM RIGHT NOW is not a good idea in the thread of Director of SE's election.

I am ready to post them here but, again, you are director of SE and , as such, you are the one who should expose his ideas first.

[Archaic]

Who said I'm avoiding justifying my policies? It happened to be 10:40pm when I typed that post. It's 12:40am now. I'll write it in the morning, assuming I have time. I *DO* have a life you know.

As for GT's views, I share them virtually to the letter, as you'll soon see well enough.

[Pandemoniak]

I *DO* have a life you know.

Well, we dont care. Please avoid posting such things in a forum which is supposed to be RP, and stop using Non-RP reasons for RP questions.

[Pandemoniak]

I want the constitution changed, though I believe I already made that perfectly clear.

Do you realize your changes involve a total rewriting of the whole constitution, since the role of our directors is to conduct polls in order to interpret the people's will, and not to be elected top conduct their own policies.
And dont forget you'll also be circumvening our Bill of Rights, since no citizen shall be denied the right to vote in any poll, but they shall not be denied the poll itself -- which, even if not stated in the Bill of Rights, is quite obvious.

[Aaron Blackwell]

Who said I'm avoiding justifying my policies?

Your post seemed to indicate that. I would be more than happy to see fact to would prove otherwise.

It happened to be 10:40pm when I typed that post. It's 12:40am now. I'll write it in the morning, assuming I have time.

It is okay for me. I am more than willing to be patient to wait for your response ( as I think It was the case before). I am not pushing you to answer quickly but simply to answer the points that were raised.

If you have problem connecting to the net or finding the time to respond, please directly say so. It will certainly not be reproched to you and I think everybody would understand.

I *DO* have a life you know.

So Have I Archaic. You are not the only one to be in that case.