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[DeathByTheSword]

thread closed TKG would you please start a new one

[Drogue]

In my opinion I have, and I accept you don't agree, and that I'm not going to convince you otherwise. I just think we can win this with 0 eco-damage, and that that would be quite a good thing IMHO. I accept you're point, but (as I've posted in reply to GT on STEP) I think if we keep eco-damage carefully under control, we won't lose much production, or much anything, but we gain a better Planet. I think if we have a completely unregulated system (mineral prodution, population and Planet rating) as your new party suggests, we will cause great damage to Planet, and create havok. If we just look at environmental issues and take them into account, we will be better off IMHO.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
do not THREADJACK! go somewhere else with this discussion not another post of it in here!

I'm not thread-jacking. The discussion is about Eco-damage, and it has as much place in here as anywhere else from the sounds of it. It can be debated without any reference whatsoever to SE's.

Now, Drogue, the challenge still stands. Prove that eco-damage is as much of a problem as you hype it to be.

[GeneralTacticus]

It was a comment in general with 2 examples already highlighted by Aaron. I think growth should be a big priority at the moment, and thus we will need more drone controls as a faction and we are already using some doctors. I would rather see more Rec Commons built and less doctors used. Forests are better than nothing, but I think we need more food crawled, and we have no decent spots to do that from. A couple of bases (Concordia, ZG IIRC) could do with some more food and growth.

Ig you've read my orders for the chat, you'll know that I'm having a Condensor built north of TA to be crawled for food.

[Hercules]

DIA Now that name suggestions are flooding in for regions. I ask that you initate a poll about how places are named. There are a few possibilities as to HOW, suggested elsewhere (eg Andemagne original thread and the court case submission). It would be good to get this particular issue settled for the present.

However you may also wish to re-open the debate for a couple of days on the How Question.

[DeathByTheSword]

do not THREADJACK! go somewhere else with this discussion not another post of it in here!

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Drogue
It wasn't exactly an FM discussion, Archaic just took my point about eco-damage and believed it was about FM, and I felt the need to defend myself from insults and accusations.

The only damn liar here is you. We both know full well that Eco-damage will go up under FM. If steps are taken to "regulate the ego damage" to the levels you feel comfortable with, then FM ceases to be an option. You eliminate it indirectly. Now, I challenge you to prove that eco-damage is as much of a problem as you say it is, which you've yet to do.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Why can't it be addressed by individual governors? Unless it actually starts having factional or planetary ramifications, it's a local matter, which should be dealt with as such. I'll take the arguments over FM to the STEP officies.

I take your point, but since I think we should prevent faction wide ramifications before they happen, I think it already is a faction wide matter. If 3 of the Governors keep eco-damage low, and one doesn', it's a problem for the whole faction (it takes formers away from others). It wasn't exactly an FM discussion, Archaic just took my point about eco-damage and believed it was about FM, and I felt the need to defend myself from insults and accusations.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Tacticus Academy will have a Rec Commons up soon enough, but it is in no danger of Drone Riots at the present time. There are already formers working to develop new squares, and in any case, forests are better than nothing, are they not?

It was a comment in general with 2 examples already highlighted by Aaron. I think growth should be a big priority at the moment, and thus we will need more drone controls as a faction and we are already using some doctors. I would rather see more Rec Commons built and less doctors used. Forests are better than nothing, but I think we need more food crawled, and we have no decent spots to do that from. A couple of bases (Concordia, ZG IIRC) could do with some more food and growth.

All it takes a if few turns to build a Rec Commons, and then we'll be able to grow much safer and easier.

[GeneralTacticus]

Very true, once again I'm sorry. My original point still stands as an idea though. Eco-damage as a whole needs to be addressed (if it is to be addressed) as a whole rather than by individual Governors.

Why can't it be addressed by individual governors? Unless it actually starts having factional or planetary ramifications, it's a local matter, which should be dealt with as such. I'll take the arguments over FM to the STEP officies.

We need more drone controls too. We have Concordia and Tacticus Academy that need a rec commons, and yet Tacticus Academy is still building 2 crawlers, without anywhere but forests to put them! Build formers first so we have places to put crawlers, and we already have many, why do we need more? Whereas drone crontrols are severly lacking meaning specialists have to be used, so we have lest citizens working.

Tacticus Academy will have a Rec Commons up soon enough, but it is in no danger of Drone Riots at the present time. There are already formers working to develop new squares, and in any case, forests are better than nothing, are they not?

[Method]

in that case, DBTS, go ahead, move 2 of those 3 crawlers to your region. that should reduce some of new apolyton's eco damage, while still leaving a jahonkin' production rate, and beef up your region a bit.

[Drogue]

Very true, once again I'm sorry. My original point still stands as an idea though. Eco-damage as a whole needs to be addressed (if it is to be addressed) as a whole rather than by individual Governors.

[Method]

yes, as DBTS said, argue somewhere else...perhaps though PMs?

as for drones, there' not much i can do, short of telling governors to build some rec commonses or network nodes, which they should know just by using common sense. i havn't had a good look at the game lately, so i don't know what drones are like right now.

[Drogue]

Sorry, my 1st post was intended as an idea for the DIA, that was objected to and taken out of context.

[DeathByTheSword]

eh this is DIA thread not (another) FM thread

[Drogue]

Many thanks for the support and the honour. Together the CCCP and STEP can bring in a new era of equality for fellow man, and respect for Planet. We have shown the way to prevent the mistakes of old Earth, it is now up to the people if you want to live it.

As for the masseuse, mucho thanks