amendment: first draft governers

[Drogue]

Right, that sounds a bit better... so who wins if the Governor wants one thing anf the DoIF wants another?

[DeathByTheSword]

the DoIF only give guidelines (build enegry improving building or mineral terraformings) the gov. does these thinks (building a bank and building some boreholes) but if the orders are also no boreholes on these kind of places in the region the gov. may not do that...that is my vision but i dont know if it works so every feedback would be great

[Drogue]

I would say that the governors should have power over the actual orders for that area, otherwise either no-one knows who's orders to follow or the DoIF has too much power. Just my opinions though.

[Darkness' Edge]

If governors are appointed, then my vote for the next proposal will also be no.

As far as exact powers go, Drogue raises some good points. As far as I'm concerned...give the power to the governors, with the ability for the DIF to step in if, and only if, the governor does something out of line.

[Method]

edge....that's what i assumed would happen.

now, i think it was my own stupidity that started this, but the director in question should be the DIA unless it's going to be called director of internal 'faires

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Darkness' Edge
If governors are appointed, then my vote for the next proposal will also be no.

I wouldn't elect governors. We have enough undisputed elections as it is. I would simple post a thread "Governors: Expressions of interest" and if there are fifteen candidates we'll just have fifteen regions. If we have four candidates, we'll have four regions.

[Drogue]

Maybe... Although I don't like the idea of Peacekeepers who appoint rulers, i no that that many elections would be madly burocratic, but isn't that what were supposed to be?!

Besides, even uncontested elections have abstains so that nobody could be elected, like a vote of no confidence in the person standing.

[Hercules]

Read the posts; agree with TKG but valuable contributions from others. Overall Dirs have higher authority.

[Maniac]

Then we'll have to put forward these different appointment proposals in a poll I guess. What do we have until now for a poll? Elections, director appointments or volunteers always become governor. Fixed regions versus flexible regions (how many bases per region?)? Who can become governor - directors and judges too under certain circumstances?

DE, with your ideas, how would you solve the problem of having too little governors? To prevent such a situation I think we need the job of governor to be very flexible in the constitution.

Oh yeah, another point. When are governors elected/appointed/officially given their position? I would suggest five days without or eight days with governor elections. This gives people who failed to get a director seat the chance to nominate themselves for governorship and if needed to do some campaigning.

[DeathByTheSword]

well i agree with DE idea.....give the governers all the powers but let those power be controlled by the DIA....lets say the DIA makes up the treasury and says for next session that region may use that much Ec to rush and that one this much Ec. and let the DIA where to build bases, which formers and crawlers are for which region. about electing governers.....we would have 4 or 5 regions right now right? so put everone that is up for the job in one poll (like the judges poll) and do the DIA poll like every other election that would mean two new elections but we would remove 3 others so we would have less elections in the end! what do you think?

[DeathByTheSword]

AS I SEE IT NOW:!

remove:

Director of Energy and Industry:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to rushbuild, use money in trades, change worker placements, and move crawlers
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting crawlers and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decision on salvaging reactor core
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on Global Trade Pacts

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
*Serving his faction the best he can

This Director is responsible of the treasury expenditures, worker placements, and crawlers.

Director of Terraforming and Colonisation:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move terraformers and colony pods
*Ordering the commissioner to design new TC units, disband old TC units and upgrade current TC units
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting terraformers colony pods, and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on raising and lowering sea levels

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Serving his faction the best he can

Director of Expansion and Terraforming commands all colony pods and terraformers

Director of Base production:
Has the right of:
*Ordering the commissioner to build buildings and units
*Advising any other part of the government
*Starting polls about Special Projects

Has the duties of:
*Choosing between various requests made by the directors
*Starting polls about Special Projects
*Listing to the will of the people about the Special Projects
*Serving his faction the best he can
*Posting polls on how our bases should be named

add

Director of Interal Affaires:
has the right of:
*mapping out regions in our faction
*advising any governer on how he should run his region
*veto an orders from a governer

has the duties of:
*dividing formers, crawlers and funds over regions in our faction
*making a list of every buildrequest by other director that has to be divided between the regions in our faction

Governers:
have the rights of:
*ordering the commissioner to:
**move formers for his region
**move crawlers for his region
**start buildingqueues for his region
**rush constructions for his region
**move workers
*advising any director that concern his region
*polling for guidelines for his region
[all within the parameters given by the Director of Internal Affaires]

have the duties of:
*carrying out orders from the Director of Internal affaires
*advising the rest of the faction about this region the best he can

May NOT:
give orders in a specific field if the director of Internal affaires uses his veto on the subject.

Governers are assign by the people to take care of a certain region of our faction.

[this way given the DIA less power but still a controlling place]

[Maniac]

Who gets the council proposals and the base naming polls? Perhaps move all council proposals to Foreign Affairs and the base naming back to the Alpha Talent to lighten the job of IA?

[DeathByTheSword]

base naming ok

and council proposals ok but we could also have a governer councel with chairman the DIA that decides on those kind of things that are usefull for internal affairs?

[Method]

looks gread DBTS.

as for appointing the governors, i'd rather not have elections. having all those interested PM the DIA their "resume" and him picking between them sounds ok by me. though you'd want to ensure to have a competant DIA (but we could always impeach him )

[DeathByTheSword]

we probably need to poll if we want an elected governer or a appointed governer