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  • Peacekeepers, 2124-2138

    Attendees:
    Kassiopeia
    DeathByTheSword
    Darkness' Edge
    Lemmy
    Makahlua
    Pandemoniak
    TKG

    Turnlog (to 2130, where I got distracted )

    2126 - change production in TBIBTU to scout
    2127 - scout built, sent off to east
    2128 - former built
    2129 - former set to work planting forest near NA
    2130 - University discover Secrets of the Human Brain

    My final turnchat as commissioner is now over. Thanks guys. It's been fun working with you.
    Attached Files

  • #2
    and here is the log

    let's play some turns
    just that queue for TBIBTU only for UNPD it is a general think
    leeeemmmmmyyyyy

    where does the new scout have to go?
    from where?
    EAST !!
    NA has to go EAST
    from TBIBTU
    it's not from NA :P
    did you know that Makahlua was a woman?
    i just read it.
    hmm, east? it would take a while to get there....what are we building in TBIBTU after the scout?
    ....was?

    formers
    hmm, ok, the scout from TBTUTIB goes east
    everyone agrees?
    from TBIBTU?
    sounds good to me
    maybe scout the place for CP 4?
    any objections, before i do it?
    read the above
    * Pande^DoT votes YES to the TBIBTU's scout to go east
    we already have a site for CP4
    we still dont know what ther is?
    how long till we get CP4?
    * Makahlua has joined #smacdg
    formers in NA
    where and what task?
    we still got a scout from NA coming right? after the formers
    Welcome in Makahlua
    and what next?
    HI
    ahh yes, scout in NA...
    where should i send the formers?
    hey makahlua
    yes, lemmy, we do
    Hello Makahlua
    * Makahlua waves hello *
    former of NA must be sent to the arid/roll tile and plant forest on it
    thanks
    ok
    ok now what?
    you tell me
    whats going on?
    we are all waiting on DE right?
    do we have a scout yet?
    yes, we waiting
    what tech is next?
    industrial base
    we've discovered the thing we were researching
    k

    an update...the former is formering, the scout is moving to the east...
    there's really not a hell of a lot going on

    university just got secrets of the human brain
    when is "mobility" coming?
    gasp
    ha! there goes adamtg's entire campaign plan!
    hah, eat that AdamTG

    * Pande^DoT frowns
    who called that one?
    * TKG^DoR points to self
    ...i wasn't supposed to go for industrial base?
    i mean, damn, that's not a good thing at all
    * DBTS^AT laughs
    yes indus base

    ahh cool
    now, where does the scout in NA go?
    then if we have time planetary networks
    TKG, any plans for Mobility?
    oh, scout...thinking
    how about workerplacemence? do you keep it in checnk
    i think we could side-track from indus auto to mobility. if polls say of course
    SEND scout to undiscovered CP4 site !
    ahh yeah...do you have details for the latest worker placings?
    nothing should've changed, but just to make sure..
    which ones do you want?
    I have them wait up
    all of them
    hmm, at the monoliths ey? not bad idea
    what undiscovered cp4 site?
    west of the monolith one dark patch
    http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=62345
    NA =worker 2-- Minerals 3--FW nut tile
    * DEdge takes a look.
    nm, pic is gone
    TBIBTU, worker 1-- nut tile worker 2-- rolling/moist/river
    TBIBTU, worker 3-- rolling/moist/no river
    Pizza Delivery, worker 1-- FW nut tile worker 2-- rolling/moist tile
    so here you are
    well, the precise position is not set up yet, for CP4
    i vote SWSW of monolith (i think)
    it has equal votes between TKG's proposition, NW of it and SW of it
    it was pretty much I say just send the scout there to check that out anyways from there i can go to
    the west
    http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=62345
    i =IT
    ok, send the na scout there
    pand i guess its up to you then
    Number of typos = hours of being awake / cups of consumed coffee
    indeed, TKG, the problem is that i cannot see the map, your image on the link above is a red cross
    pande can decide after it is explored then
    i must have deleted the image. maybe its still on my hard drive. let me check
    ok
    so what where is this supposed to be going?
    lemmy? scout where?
    about the NW monolith, no precise tile is set
    but the scout is supposed to go east, IIRC
    but there's two monoliths to the NW :P
    NA scout to the monoliths and west of them
    it's not on my hard drive, but the original screen shot is, and my position is SWSW of the monolith
    the north north-west monolith, or the south south-west monolith?
    the northern monolith, actually i would settle right in the middle of the two, if theres no funugs
    one scout is alread y heading EAST
    in an unexplored tile
    we don't have a colony pod, just a 2nd scout
    so i'll send him out between the monoliths?
    yes, right past TBIBTU, and the to the west following the coast
    yep, check the tile where the two monoliths are in the base radius
    that's already been discovered
    my tile is N N of the west monolith, SW SW of the north one. it only has the north monlith in the
    radius, but i tile SE of that would get both iirc
    argh!
    we don't have a colony pod yet!Q
    just a scout!
    let's worry about that when we actually get a colony pod
    send the scout toward that place and scout west of it right lemmy?
    SCOUT: right past TBIBTU, and the to the west following the coast, yes/no?
    * TKG^DoR needs to pay more attention and stop reading campaign threads
    * DBTS^AT YES
    yes
    err
    * Lemmy^DEI YES
    * TKG^DoR yes
    there ya go
    * Pande^DoT yes
    * Kass^DoSE YES
    just keep going on the "blue" line you had before lemmy
    12«11Pande^DoT12» former finished task, what now?
    pande - former finished task, what now?
    YES we got a forest we got a forest got a forest! right?
    TKG -> http://www.xs4all.nl/~munishm/smacde...expl_rover.gif
    mine road north of NA
    pande - so that's the mineral tile?
    DE have you pop a pod orso with the EAST going thingy allready?
    ok. next i'd say forest nut tile, and road to tbibtu if that's ok
    mines take 16 turns don't they? or is it 8?
    yes, we mine the mineral tile, then we road it
    we won't get that far, tkg..
    mine = 8 turns
    and we can work it because restrictions are lifted if there's a resource
    7 mins?

    its not that restrictions are lifted, its that special bonus are added after restrictions
    pande - UNPD former...where?
    in a non-mineral bonus tile, we'd only get 2 mins, but because it has a bonus, we get the full reward
    don't we?
    oeps we have that allready!
    oi?
    er... Plant forest west, in the middle of the fungus field
    it hasnt been voted, but i think thats the more intelligent thing to do
    can you do that?
    ahhh k
    i'd say NE so we can eventually build a road to NA
    a quick vote all in favour say yes!
    NAY
    damn what do we all want?
    what are we voting for?
    where to forest UNPD
    * Pande^DoT plesae vote : Yes or No : Plant forest West of UNPizzaDelivery, in the middle of fungus
    where does the former from UNPD goes
    * DEdge YES
    * TKG^DoR NO
    * Kass^DoSE ABSTAIN
    * Pande^DoT YES
    * Lemmy^DEI ABSTAIN
    * DBTS^AT yes
    alrighty then...
    :boooo:
    ok, before we go, TKG voted no, what do u suggest instead


    12«11Pande^DoT12» we've already gone
    pande - we've already gone
    ok, too late then
    which mission year are we?
    forest NE of UNPD. we're closer to NA so we can road it faster
    now, the scout has reached the end of the land bridge to the east
    where should he go from there?
    continue esat, popping the pods
    but TKG, forest W will push the fungus away
    west or east not south
    not really, but fine
    i suggest we stop here
    formers in UNPD - what next?
    yeah, that's a good idea..
    Mission year?
    2138
    what!?!?!?
    nice!
    * Pande^DoT PLEASE VOTE : YES OR NO : DO WE STOP NOW ?
    ok, let's stop
    * Pande^DoT YES
    * Lemmy^DEI YES
    * DEdge YES
    * DBTS^AT yes
    TKG, ur vote ?
    and it's over. nice been working with you all.
    nice who far for next tech?
    * TKG^DoR abstain
    post the sav, now plz
    wasn't paying attention
    doing so as we speak
    * Lemmy^DEI slaps TKG^DoR around a bit with a large trout
    hihihi
    Bunnies!
    Welcome to the DBTSverse!
    God, Allah, boedha, siva, the stars, tealeaves and the palm of you hand. If you are so desperately looking for something to believe in GO FIND A MIRROR
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    • #3
      I want to say tanx our first commissioner and i can only hope that our new commissioner will do as good as he did!

      EDIT: typos
      Bunnies!
      Welcome to the DBTSverse!
      God, Allah, boedha, siva, the stars, tealeaves and the palm of you hand. If you are so desperately looking for something to believe in GO FIND A MIRROR
      'Space05us is just a stupid nice guy' - Space05us

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      • #4
        Err, DBTS, the log is screwed up. I can't tell who said what.
        Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Thank you for helping us help you help us all!

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        • #5
          Screenshots

          New Apolyton:


          TBIBTU:


          UNPD:


          Northern Exploration:


          Southern Exploration:


          Eastern Exploration:


          Who's Who/Map:


          Faction Dominace:


          Research:


          Map:


          F4 Screen:

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          • #6
            There must be something wrong with your game DE. When I click on the base icon in the resource map, the computer automatically sets the workers on good tiles. Badly placed workers can't happen then.

            If I get elected D of IE, I will annoy the Commissioner every fifteen minutes with asking if the workers are still placed well.
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            Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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            • #7
              yahoo we have 4 forest squares i am dowloading the sav know to check and about the log i dont now how that happend will try again soon
              Bunnies!
              Welcome to the DBTSverse!
              God, Allah, boedha, siva, the stars, tealeaves and the palm of you hand. If you are so desperately looking for something to believe in GO FIND A MIRROR
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              • #8
                log with names
                &ltDEdge&gt let's play some turns
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt just that queue for TBIBTU only for UNPD it is a general think
                &ltDEdge&gt leeeemmmmmyyyyy
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt
                &ltDEdge&gt where does the new scout have to go?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt from where?
                &ltPande^DoT&gt EAST !!
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt NA has to go EAST
                &ltDEdge&gt from TBIBTU
                &ltDEdge&gt it's not from NA :P
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt did you know that Makahlua was a woman?
                &ltPande^DoT&gt i just read it.
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt hmm, east? it would take a while to get there....what are we building in TBIBTU after the scout?
                &ltDEdge&gt ....was?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt
                &ltDEdge&gt formers
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt hmm, ok, the scout from TBTUTIB goes east
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt everyone agrees?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt from TBIBTU?
                &ltDEdge&gt sounds good to me
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt maybe scout the place for CP 4?
                &ltDEdge&gt any objections, before i do it?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt read the above
                * Pande^DoT votes YES to the TBIBTU's scout to go east
                &ltDEdge&gt we already have a site for CP4
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt we still dont know what ther is?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt how long till we get CP4?
                *** Makahlua has joined #smacdg
                &ltDEdge&gt formers in NA
                &ltDEdge&gt where and what task?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt we still got a scout from NA coming right? after the formers
                &ltPande^DoT&gt Welcome in Makahlua
                &ltDEdge&gt and what next?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt HI
                &ltDEdge&gt ahh yes, scout in NA...
                &ltDEdge&gt where should i send the formers?
                &ltDEdge&gt hey makahlua
                &ltPande^DoT&gt yes, lemmy, we do
                &ltKass^DoSE&gt Hello Makahlua
                * Makahlua waves hello *
                &ltPande^DoT&gt former of NA must be sent to the arid/roll tile and plant forest on it
                &ltDEdge&gt thanks
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt ok
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt ok now what?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt you tell me
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt whats going on?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt do we have a scout yet?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt we are all waiting on DE right?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt yes, we waiting
                &ltDEdge&gt what tech is next?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt industrial base
                &ltDEdge&gt we've discovered the thing we were researching
                &ltDEdge&gt k
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt
                &ltDEdge&gt an update...the former is formering, the scout is moving to the east...
                &ltDEdge&gt there's really not a hell of a lot going on
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt
                &ltDEdge&gt university just got secrets of the human brain
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt when is "mobility" coming?
                &ltPande^DoT&gt gasp
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt ha! there goes adamtg's entire campaign plan!
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt hah, eat that AdamTG
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt
                * Pande^DoT frowns
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt who called that one?
                * TKG^DoR points to self
                &ltDEdge&gt ...i wasn't supposed to go for industrial base?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt i mean, damn, that's not a good thing at all
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt yes indus base
                * DBTS^AT laughs
                &ltKass^DoSE&gt
                &ltDEdge&gt ahh cool
                &ltDEdge&gt now, where does the scout in NA go?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt then if we have time planetary networks
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt TKG, any plans for Mobility?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt oh, scout...thinking
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt how about workerplacemence? do you keep it in checnk
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt i think we could side-track from indus auto to mobility. if polls say of course
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt SEND scout to undiscovered CP4 site !
                &ltDEdge&gt ahh yeah...do you have details for the latest worker placings?
                &ltDEdge&gt nothing should've changed, but just to make sure..
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt which ones do you want?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt I have them wait up
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt hmm, at the monoliths ey? not bad idea
                &ltDEdge&gt all of them
                &ltDEdge&gt what undiscovered cp4 site?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt west of the monolith one dark patch
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=62345
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt NA =worker 2-- Minerals 3--FW nut tile
                * DEdge takes a look.
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt nm, pic is gone
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt TBIBTU, worker 1-- nut tile worker 2-- rolling/moist/river
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt TBIBTU, worker 3-- rolling/moist/no river
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt Pizza Delivery, worker 1-- FW nut tile worker 2-- rolling/moist tile
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt so here you are
                &ltPande^DoT&gt well, the precise position is not set up yet, for CP4
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt i vote SWSW of monolith (i think)
                &ltPande^DoT&gt it has equal votes between TKG's proposition, NW of it and SW of it
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt it was pretty much I say just send the scout there to check that out anyways from there i can go to the west
                &ltPande^DoT&gt http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=62345
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt i =IT
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt ok, send the na scout there
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt pand i guess its up to you then
                &ltKass^DoSE&gt Number of typos = hours of being awake / cups of consumed coffee
                &ltPande^DoT&gt indeed, TKG, the problem is that i cannot see the map, your image on the link above is a red cross
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt pande can decide after it is explored then
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt i must have deleted the image. maybe its still on my hard drive. let me check
                &ltPande^DoT&gt ok
                &ltDEdge&gt so what where is this supposed to be going?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt lemmy? scout where?
                &ltPande^DoT&gt about the NW monolith, no precise tile is set
                &ltPande^DoT&gt but the scout is supposed to go east, IIRC
                &ltDEdge&gt but there's two monoliths to the NW :P
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt NA scout to the monoliths and west of them
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt it's not on my hard drive, but the original screen shot is, and my position is SWSW of the monolith
                &ltDEdge&gt the north north-west monolith, or the south south-west monolith?
                &ltPande^DoT&gt the northern monolith, actually i would settle right in the middle of the two, if theres no funugs
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt one scout is alread y heading EAST
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt in an unexplored tile
                &ltDEdge&gt we don't have a colony pod, just a 2nd scout
                &ltDEdge&gt so i'll send him out between the monoliths?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt yes, right past TBIBTU, and the to the west following the coast
                &ltPande^DoT&gt yep, check the tile where the two monoliths are in the base radius
                &ltDEdge&gt that's already been discovered
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt my tile is N N of the west monolith, SW SW of the north one. it only has the north monlith in the radius, but i tile SE of that would get both iirc
                &ltDEdge&gt argh!
                &ltDEdge&gt we don't have a colony pod yet!Q
                &ltDEdge&gt just a scout!
                &ltDEdge&gt let's worry about that when we actually get a colony pod
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt send the scout toward that place and scout west of it right lemmy?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt SCOUT: right past TBIBTU, and the to the west following the coast, yes/no?
                * TKG^DoR needs to pay more attention and stop reading campaign threads
                * DBTS^AT YES
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt yes
                * Lemmy^DEI YES
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt err
                * TKG^DoR yes
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt there ya go
                * Pande^DoT yes
                * Kass^DoSE YES
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt just keep going on the "blue" line you had before lemmy
                &ltDEdge&gt 12«11Pande^DoT12» former finished task, what now?
                &ltDEdge&gt pande - former finished task, what now?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt YES we got a forest we got a forest got a forest! right?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt TKG -&gt http://www.xs4all.nl/~munishm/smacde...expl_rover.gif
                &ltPande^DoT&gt mine road north of NA
                &ltDEdge&gt pande - so that's the mineral tile?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt DE have you pop a pod orso with the EAST going thingy allready?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt ok. next i'd say forest nut tile, and road to tbibtu if that's ok
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt mines take 16 turns don't they? or is it 8?
                &ltPande^DoT&gt yes, we mine the mineral tile, then we road it
                &ltDEdge&gt we won't get that far, tkg..
                &ltPande^DoT&gt mine = 8 turns
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt and we can work it because restrictions are lifted if there's a resource
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt 7 mins?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt
                &ltPande^DoT&gt its not that restrictions are lifted, its that special bonus are added after restrictions
                &ltDEdge&gt pande - UNPD former...where?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt in a non-mineral bonus tile, we'd only get 2 mins, but because it has a bonus, we get the full reward don't we?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt oeps we have that allready!
                &ltDEdge&gt oi?
                &ltPande^DoT&gt er... Plant forest west, in the middle of the fungus field
                &ltPande^DoT&gt it hasnt been voted, but i think thats the more intelligent thing to do
                &ltDEdge&gt can you do that?
                &ltDEdge&gt ahhh k
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt i'd say NE so we can eventually build a road to NA
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt a quick vote all in favour say yes!
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt NAY
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt damn what do we all want?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt what are we voting for?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt where to forest UNPD
                * Pande^DoT plesae vote : Yes or No : Plant forest West of UNPizzaDelivery, in the middle of fungus
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt where does the former from UNPD goes
                * DEdge YES
                * TKG^DoR NO
                * Kass^DoSE ABSTAIN
                * Pande^DoT YES
                * Lemmy^DEI ABSTAIN
                * DBTS^AT yes
                &ltDEdge&gt alrighty then...
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt :boooo:
                &ltPande^DoT&gt ok, before we go, TKG voted no, what do u suggest instead
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt
                &ltDEdge&gt 12«11Pande^DoT12» we've already gone
                &ltDEdge&gt pande - we've already gone
                &ltPande^DoT&gt ok, too late then
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt which mission year are we?
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt forest NE of UNPD. we're closer to NA so we can road it faster
                &ltDEdge&gt now, the scout has reached the end of the land bridge to the east
                &ltDEdge&gt where should he go from there?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt continue esat, popping the pods
                &ltPande^DoT&gt but TKG, forest W will push the fungus away
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt west or east not south
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt not really, but fine
                &ltPande^DoT&gt i suggest we stop here
                &ltDEdge&gt formers in UNPD - what next?
                &ltDEdge&gt yeah, that's a good idea..
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt Mission year?
                &ltDEdge&gt 2138
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt what!?!?!?
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt nice!
                * Pande^DoT PLEASE VOTE : YES OR NO : DO WE STOP NOW ?
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt ok, let's stop
                * Pande^DoT YES
                * Lemmy^DEI YES
                * DEdge YES
                * DBTS^AT yes
                &ltPande^DoT&gt TKG, ur vote ?
                &ltDEdge&gt and it's over. nice been working with you all.
                &ltDBTS^AT&gt nice who far for next tech?
                * TKG^DoR abstain
                &ltPande^DoT&gt post the sav, now plz
                &ltTKG^DoR&gt wasn't paying attention
                &ltDEdge&gt doing so as we speak
                * Lemmy^DEI slaps TKG^DoR around a bit with a large trout
                &ltLemmy^DEI&gt hihihi
                <Kassiopeia> you don't keep the virgins in your lair at a sodomising distance from your beasts or male prisoners. If you devirginised them yourself, though, that's another story. If they devirginised each other, then, I hope you had that webcam running.
                Play Bumps! No, wait, play Slings!

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                • #9
                  when i try to download the sav my cpu sees it as an Attachment document (orsome like that) and not as a *.zip what to do?
                  Bunnies!
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                  • #10
                    i *think* just rename it "lal of the peacekeepers.zip" and it will work.

                    in fact, name it "dbts is king of the world.zip" if you want just as long as it ends in .zip

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                    • #11
                      i think i know where to put base 5 on the most souther panama-site between FMS and the Ocean. this way we get 2 mineral bonuses but we need to place some condensors later on (or is that only SMAX?)
                      Bunnies!
                      Welcome to the DBTSverse!
                      God, Allah, boedha, siva, the stars, tealeaves and the palm of you hand. If you are so desperately looking for something to believe in GO FIND A MIRROR
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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          I've downloaded the save thrice, and have renamed it, but every time the file is corrupt.
                          Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Thank you for helping us help you help us all!

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                          • #14
                            I got the same problem with this one with the other 3 i didnt have a problem but i cant download this one
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                            • #15
                              I can DL but the file is erronous. I can't do my job without a save.
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