ELECTION: Director of Social Engineering

[Nubclear]

Archaic, this debate gets us nowhere, tires everyone else, spams the thread....The only good coming out of it is increased postcounts.

I propose we end it silently and peacefully.

[GeneralTacticus]

Good idea.

[Nubclear]

Assuming that Archaic does agree with me on this issue and decides to end the debate, I will be off to bed.

However, if he does not...I will still be off to bed.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Isn't that a personal attack?

Hardly in this case. It's a statement of fact. I'm attacking your credability and ability to properly assess the situation. It's valid.

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Yawn.

And again.

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
If an emotion is required in all debates, does that mean that its always an APPEAL to emotions?

With the way you've talked about emotions it certainly is.

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
If your going to try to throw the 'rulebook' at me, then maybe you should follow it yourself. Its quite sad when you violate the same 'rule', eh, three times now? Hmm....

Again, it's a statement of fact. You're ignoring logic in favour of emotion. Next.

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Actually, 50+ of the people voting in this elections are giving you a vote of no confidence. Abstain is a wrong word for it.

It's hardly a vote of no confidence. It's an issue of spite, not that I can't do the job.

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Yes, like there was any doubt. I'm just the little CCCPer. Most loyal member I tell you.

That you've quit the party hardly changes your political viewpoints. All that abolishing parties has accomplished is to muddy the waters.

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
If I was simply putting people to go against you for the sake of you not winning, I simply would've put myeslf up.

And by failing to do so you've lost your right to oppose me taking the position. I was the only canditate to stand for the position. Therefore I should be elected by default.

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Your basing rationality on your view of it...

It's not like you've demonstrated any rationality.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
I had that thought myself, but it will still slow our exploration down a lot. We already know most of the areas within our borders anyway.

Not really. Not if bases are being planted as quick as they should be. But then, Pan's going for T&E again, isn't he?

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
At this level, if we go FM then w'll have 2 Drones and 1 Talent by the time we hit size 4. Having units out of our borders would mean an additional two drones, which would be a big problem.

We'd be able to get a Rec Commons, which we'd need at size 4 anyway at this level, in place by that time. It'd be even easier to get it in place quicker because our cash flow would be improved.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Darkness' Edge & MWIA. Currently DE is leading by a long way.

A pity that.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Fundy isn't a system of values, it's a system fo government which operates by forcing a set of values on the population whether they want it or not.

It can be both. It doesn't necessarily require both though.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
I never said I didn't think you could post polls. My point was that as anyone can post polls, then the election comes down to whether or not you have confidence in the candidate as a person. I must say, I am not looking forward to having to keep on wrangling over SE time and time again when you are in charge of it.

Then don't wrangle with me over it and just post your vote while those who actually want to debate do.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
err, Archaic, you credited all of tassadar's points to me in your last post.

Apologies. I'm in rather a hurry ATM with some IRL things.

[GeneralTacticus]

Hardly. It's a statement of fact.

Isn't that just another personal attack? Unless you can actually prove that Tassadar is stupid, then it isn't a statement of fact and is simply an insult.

It can be both. It doesn't necessarily require both though.

If fundamentalism actually was a system of values it would be under the Values section. It isn't, because it is a system of government. I will ask again: where do you think the bonuses come from? They come from brainwashing, pure and simple.

And by failing to do so you've lost your right to oppose me taking the position. I was the only canditate to stand for the position. Therefore I should be elected by default.

The fact that you have no opponent doesn't mean people are going to want you in office.

We'd be able to get a Rec Commons, which we'd need at size 4 anyway at this level, in place by that time. It'd be even easier to get it in place quicker because our cash flow would be improved.

A Rec Commons would be enough to deal with 1 unit out of borders, or with the intrinsic Drones. Either way, we would still need to deal with the other two.

A pity that.

Why? What aspects of DE's policies do you disagree with?

Then don't wrangle with me over it and just post your vote while those who actually want to debate do.

You asked me (along witheveryone else) why I abstained. I have stated by reasons and I am defending them.

[Nubclear]

Hardly in this case. It's a statement of fact. I'm attacking your credability and ability to properly assess the situation. It's valid.

Hardly. Your attacking me and attempting to say that its evidence (which, of course, you dont provide) that Im not capable of "assessing the situation". Its a personal attack.

However by saying these things I'm giving you a perfect oppritunity for a "red herring". So....

With the way you've talked about emotions it certainly is.

And if I talked about it a different way?

It's hardly a vote of no confidence. It's an issue of spite, not that I can't do the job.

Its still saying the same thing: They dont want you elected.

That you've quit the party hardly changes your political viewpoints. All that abolishing parties has accomplished is to muddy the waters.

And what are my views exactly?

And by failing to do so you've lost your right to oppose me taking the position. I was the only canditate to stand for the position. Therefore I should be elected by default.

Unless the people say "Oh no, we dont want you AT ALL. Lets have at least SOMEONE ELSE" eg a no confidence vote eg abstain winning and you getting less than 50.1 percent of the vote.

It's not like you've demonstrated any rationality.

In your view. Although thats assuming your view is correct without any basis which is an appeal to emotion...But again, that gives you a chance for a red herring so dont bother responding to it.

Archaic, again lets both agree to end this debate. Its getting most tiresome.

[moomin]

Originally posted by Archaic
Because they're generally like you, stupid. If you can't be rational about anything, your opinions aren't worth anything.

Archaic, I'm among those who voted for you - for several different reasons, chief among them that I think it's patently ridiculous at this point in the game to do re-polls for positions nobody wants. I also applaud anybody who steps up to the plate. And I think you'd be capable of doing it. It ain't rocket science, after all.

However, I also think your argumentation in this tread stinks. The above sample of your "rational" argumentation is unacceptable in a civil discussion, and while I very much doubt I and Tass would see eye to eye on pretty much any subject, I'd never even think of attacking him on a personal level in the context of a effin' game. If I see one - one! - more of those and Mr. Abstain gets +1 while you get -1. I hope I've made myself clear. Enough about that.

Now, in-game: while I'm a free market economy affectionando myself, I agree with Gen. Tac and others that it's way to early to switch now. This early we need to get our scouts out there, exploring and popping. The inherent faction bonii won't offset the penalty incurred by scouts beyond the borders under FM. If we get enough independent units as per your prediction, I'll happily support the switch. Right now it's not an option.

[Pandemoniak]

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