First Proposal for UN Constitution

[Crisler]

I will begin the many discussions we can expect to crop up on what should and should not be in our Constitution. I will begin with the issue of term limits. This is one that is near and dear to my heart at this time but I feel should be discussed.

Terms of Office

All positions shall have a term limit of 2 terms. This means that no one may server in a position for more than two terms in a row. After serving their two terms the person in question may not run for that position again for at least two terms.

When having held a position as one of the Directors, you may freely run for any other position you choose at the next election, with the exception of the Commissioner. The Commissioner is limited from holding any other public office for the same length of time as the number of terms he has just completed as Commissioner. (In this way others get a chance to take positions of leadership)

Also, when a Commissioner is not eligable for office, has completed two terms, or decides not to run for a second term. The Party of that Commissioner may NOT dominate a candidate for the office of Commissioner. (In this way we ensure a more well balanced political environment, we thus spread out the leadership of the colony.

If for any reason a Commissioner is able to hold a total of 4 times, the office of Commissioner then he is unable to run for any public office again. He is retired from Public Service by the Colony.

Okay this is my proposal for the term limit section of the Constitution. My thoughts here are to stop a select group of people from hogging the leadership roles. This allows a broader base of leadership to have control and allows everyone to have more fun.

E.L. Crisler
First Commissioner

[Method]

Re: First Proposal for UN Constitution

When having held a position as one of the Directors, you may freely run for any other position you choose at the next election, with the exception of the Commissioner.

ehhh, i dont like that part. i think that someone who has been a director should be able to run for commissioner next term.

[Crisler]

The idea behind this was to allow more people the chance to take leadership positions. By making the leaders have an empty month in there they force others to step up and take on the roles a bit. This making the game funner for all.

E.L. Crisler
First Commissioner

[Method]

maybe i don't understand it correctly. does this mean

if you served as a director in term 1, you may not be commissioner in term 2. (i don't like)

or

if you have served as commissioner in term 1, you may not serve as a director in term 2. (i like)



BTW did you write it yourself, or was it borrowed from the civ3 constitution?

[Crisler]

Okay I see where I goofed.... if you served ad Commissioner, you may not run as a Director on the next term. Basically when you choose or cannot run as Commissioner again you are taking at least one term off.

If a Director has held his office for two terms in a row the next term he may ONLY run for commisioner. Same as before this makes everyone have a shot. Thi stops people from jumping from one post to another.

Further, missed this one, if a person has held ANY office as Director for 3 straight terms he may only run for Commissioner the next term.

Thus NO ONE can hold any official position for more than 3 terms. Thus we are assured of some sort of turn over.

Think I have this all striahgt now, this is why I brought it up here, for people to discuss and find falws.

E.L. Crisler
First Commissioner

[Leland]

This sounds awfully convoluted, and I would prefer to keep the contitution simple and straightforward. I don't see what's the big deal with complicated restrictions on terms, I think it's sufficient to say that you can't hold the same office for longer than two terms, and that's all. Or maybe a bit more detailed, to avoid office-hopping:

• A citizen may not hold the office of Director (any director) longer than 2 terms in a row. In the term following the two served terms, he is not eligible to nominate himself as a Director candidate.
  
• A citizen may not hold the office of Commissioner longer than two terms in a row. In the term immediately following the two terms, he is not eligible for any government positions.

So, it could be possible for someone to go from Director to Commissioner, but not vice versa, making the effective maximum duration of governmental service 4 terms. Unless he gets elected as Alpha Talent at some point. Anyway, I don't think that the same people hogging the government seats over and over again will be a problem (after all, it can be made an election issue by their opponents), at least not big enough to warrant very complex restrictions.

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As for other stuff that the Constitutional Committee has to agree upon:

• Election procedure
• Parties (and what official status they may have)
• Impeachment
• "No playing ahead" rule, as well as punishment
• Finalize director positions
• Uh, what else?

[Crisler]

I persoanlly will ask you to push for a section in the constitution that prohibits the use of atrocities in any form.

As for my idea for the term limits. I see your point of KISS :-) I am just trying to make sure we can keep a good flow of people so everyone has a chance to play a part.

E.L. Crisler
First Commissioner

[Sprayber]

There needs to be some kind of provision that states the official deadline for declaring oneself as a candidate for one office or another. We have had lots of race switching for the sake of party advancement. For us independents that a little worrying.

[DeathByTheSword]

I am against any stating in the constitutions of using or building something...the constitution need to be only the game mechanics and has nothing to do with game choises.

I do not like the part that no one can be in office longer then 4 terms. that will restrict everything to much

I think parties will have no place in the constitution except stating that one is not running for office for a party but as independent (I mean that in the election polls behind the name of the canidate there may not be a party name) and that every one may more a party

what else to be talked about:
*NO AI governers or formers

IF I TALKED RUBBISH IT IS BECAUSE I AM JUST AWAKE> IF NEED BE I WILL EDIT

[Lemmy]

I am against any stating in the constitutions of using or building something...the constitution need to be only the game mechanics and has nothing to do with game choises.

wait, let me emphasize that

I am against any stating in the constitutions of using or building something...the constitution need to be only the game mechanics and has nothing to do with game choises.

[DeathByTheSword]

[Leland]

Okay, I guess it's settled then? Crisler, you can forget about the atrocity ban, it just doesn't belong in the constitution.

[Crisler]

Might have died in Constitution but I can still push for a public referrendom. I will push for Anti-Atrocity till the day I die! :-)

E.L. Crisler
First Commissioner

[DeathByTheSword]

ofcourse you can ask for a public oppinion crisler but i want to talk about some other thing maybe we can wait with closing nominations untill the committee has given good job discriptions and such for the dicretorate....and the not-playing-ahead-rule most be subjected to some execption such as: looking how long it will take to build something or move something.
or something like this...

this was just a voice of a troubleminded citizen of our cute little faction

[Maniac]

I think the only exceptions allowed to the not-playing-ahead rule should be:

If a tech is to be researched next turn, checking what research options there are the next time to facilitate discussion about that subject.

A simple check at the end of each turn if we might expect a diplomatic call of another faction during the AI's turn. This facilitates discussion for Foreign Affairs.