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  • The Liberal Social Democratic Party Steps Out Of The Closet

    (Don't get the title too metaphorically.)

    So, finally, after a long wait, I had enough time on my hands to start a thread about my party, the Liberal Social Democrats. The name is more referring to Earth politics than to the AC-ones, partly because the party was formed already on Earth.

    Our first keyword is FREEDOM. Equal freedom for everyone. And all laws of our society should be put only to protect freedom and ensure freedom equally for everyone. Only "restrictive" laws are made for preventing anyone from preventing anyone else accomplishing him/herself freely - another word for protecting freedom and liberty equally for everyone. This has a reflection on our preferred SE-tables.

    Which leads to our another basic principal: FLEXIBILITY. As many other parties have set themselves standards that they follow more or less blindly, LSD follows its own guidelines along with the need of environment / situation. Basically this means, that our Social Engineering choices should be made in accountance of our current situation and needs.
    There are, however, some choices that we find unacceptable in almost all situations. These are:
    Police State
    Fundamentalism
    Thought Control
    Planned Economy (although that can be used in the early stages of the game)
    You probably find reasons in our freedom-loving ideology. The "Power" option, for example, was not found unacceptable, since there are times of great conflict, when we need to make sacrifices in our personal freedoms, although LSD tries to limit these to as few as possible.

    This leads to our third guideline; PACIFISM
    As on Earth, LSD is against war also here on AC, and we aim to live peacefully with the other 6 factions. There are some factions that come very close to us in their values. Those are; The University, Morganites and Gaians. LSD suggests that we collaborate and co-operate with these parties in all areas for our mutual welfare.
    On Alpha Centauri there are also factions that we find opposed on our own ideals; The Hive, The Believers and the Spartans. While I do suggest that we try to live with them peacefully and accept their values as they are, we must bear in our minds that their sometimes open hostility might bring us into situations that we wouldn't want to find ourselves in. That's why I wouldn't suggest too small military forces for our control, although the ideals of pacifism.

    While the ideals of Freedom and Peace are now executed the first time on the surface of Alpha Centauri, we might find them in fragile state, so that they do need protection. With the other 3 factions we deem as suitably liberal, we can ensue the life of Democracy on Alpha Centauri. However, should any of these three find themselves in a situation of Vendetta by the non-democratic or pacifistic factions mentioned, we are to help them in any ways possible. If they are in a situation when they are about to be succumbed, fighting a losing war, we should ponder our changes of military aid to ensure Democratic future for AC. But as LSD is pacifistic, we always ponder what effects will our choices have on the future generations.

    However, if we see a conflict that doesn't directly threaten Democracy or Freedom on Alpha Centauri, we attempt to stay as neutral as possible.

    And as LSD is concerned about the future, we also have GREEN interests. The Native Life of the Planet is precious and as fragile as the life on Earth was. Although we must defend our own citizens from the possible threats the Native life might bring, we are to accept and respect it as it is. One day, I'm sure, we will find these principals to be of a great mutual benefit.
    You make my life and times
    A book of bluesy Saturdays

  • #2
    I guess I could still clear up some points;
    LSD's views on Atrocities are extremely negative. We will do whatever it takes to keep the UN chapter unrepealed. If we come across a situation when the chapter is forced to be repealed, we should still hold on to humane principals and keep ourselves from committing these crimes.
    You make my life and times
    A book of bluesy Saturdays

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    • #3
      I'm in. This is my party. I wholeheartedly agree with the flexibility matter and the preferred SE choices. Also your factions of value are close to my heart. And the Green preference is just excellent.
      Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Thank you for helping us help you help us all!

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      • #4
        I’m interested in the stance of the LSD in regards to research and the social engendering choices of Cybernetic and Knowledge.
        You can only curse me to eternal damnation for so long!

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        • #5
          Good choice, Kass
          And I welcome you as our first official Party Member
          You make my life and times
          A book of bluesy Saturdays

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          • #6
            Let me just ask you one question : how dare you to put Planned economy banned of SE choices because of Freedom ? You obviously seem not to understand the point of a planned economy : we know what we need, and we produce according to the plans. It doesnt mean the state tells the workers what to produce, it means the state centralize the needs in order to avoid industrial wastes.
            "Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean there's not someone following me..."
            "I shall return and I shall be billions"

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            • #7
              Voltaire>
              LSD values scientific progress greatly (even over economic progress, if needed), since on a new planed, research and discovery are among the most important keys on survival.
              As I can now only speak for ½ of the party , I do say for myself that I find Knowledge and Cybernetic as the most preferred choices in their own categories.
              You make my life and times
              A book of bluesy Saturdays

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              • #8
                Pandemoniak>
                I did mention that we do find it acceptable on the early stages on the game (and I didn't list it among the "worst" ones ), and we are flexible if we can see ourselves in dire need of it on the later stances of the game.

                But, as Planned Economy is not directly anti-Democratic, we do see Centralization as an unwished event, and think that either letting the economy flow free, or divert it into Green way do serve our purpose the best.

                Edit: ...and what you said by "knowing what we want" etc.. is not fully compatible with the LSD ideas of Flexibility.
                Last edited by Anodyne; August 6, 2002, 18:55.
                You make my life and times
                A book of bluesy Saturdays

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                • #9
                  Ade>
                  After some consideration I do see that we share many similar stances, and I am willing to go for either cooperation between our two parties, or even one step further, a full merger.
                  You can only curse me to eternal damnation for so long!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pandemoniak
                    You obviously seem not to understand the point of a planned economy : we know what we need, and we produce according to the plans.
                    Sorry if I misunderstand you, but are you saying that what the majority wants, everyone will need to want? Though from a pure objective point of view it would indeed create a more efficient state, I don't think it is realistic or human.
                    Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
                    Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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                    • #11
                      Equal freedom for everyone? So no one can do something if that harms the freedom of someone else? Sounds like a totalitarian state to me. Just wondering...
                      Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
                      Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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                      • #12
                        M@ni@c> Totalitarian? That's the basic lifeline for most European / Western Democracies...
                        You make my life and times
                        A book of bluesy Saturdays

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                        • #13
                          I do find research also paramount on Chiron. I'm all for Knowledge; my primary prefence in Future Society is Eudaimonia but as the party "charter" says, flexibility is key and I think Cybernetic serves that purpose better then Eudaimonia.
                          Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Thank you for helping us help you help us all!

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                          • #14
                            So no one can do something if that harms the freedom of someone else?
                            "You are free to do anything as long as that doesn't violate the freedom of others", that's been what I've told to people who've come up to me and said: "Finland is a free country", when they've been doing something highly irritating and I've demanded them to stop.
                            Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Thank you for helping us help you help us all!

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                            • #15
                              Voltaire>
                              That's great. I think that a better choice would be merging, since both of us are still relatively small parties. If you wish to participate on the election for Science Advisor in LSD's ranks, you have my total support!
                              You make my life and times
                              A book of bluesy Saturdays

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