Glory to Country through Strength and Honor

[jdd2007]

thats the motto of the HAWK PARTY, a growing party in the AC demo game. if you want to join, cool!

Hawk Party: SMAC Branch Members

jdd2007
UnOrthOdOx
Emvepe
gopher
skywalker
Duddha-heyyyyy!

[Nubclear]

Re: Glory to Country through Strength and Honor

Originally posted by jdd2007
thats the motto of the HAWK PARTY, an influential party in the civ3 demo game. i, chairman of the hawks, am opening a new branch here, and if you want to join, cool! if we get like 5 people to join, you can elect a branch leader (less work for me )

Be careful JD....The DIA may open up a "new branch" here.....

[jdd2007]

nooooo

[Crisler]

Strength and honor are virtues of the Fundamentalist Faction as well. We value intregity and honor highly, a man's word should be his bond. We also believe in a strong military. Be we use these things to not only bring glory to our country but also to bring glory to our God!

I would welcome discussions with your faction to see if we can work around ideological difference to form a powerful alliance.

E.L. Crisler
Fundamentalist Faction

[jdd2007]

if we dont get many (read: 1 or 2) members, then we could merge with you. it even entered my mind as i saw your thread. however, lets see before we make any decisions.

people! the hawk manifesto is coming soon, and you can edit it considering the different game and all.

[jdd2007]

The Hawk Manifesto:

Our mission is to assure that our nation will be in a position to allow AS MANY victory types by end game as possble. This requires strong, aggressive military action, especially early, to ensure ourselves a position where Domination and Conquest are possible. Building improvements and Wonders will be done in the times where we are either at peace, or our military is deemed adequate to it's task. Once we have built our nation, we should rotate military with other priorities to assure our dominance in all areas.

We believe science should focus on what is most needed at the time, be it a wonder tech, or a military advance. Trading tech should preferrably be done in return for other tech or needed resources. Trading away tech for cash should only be done when it is either a dire need, or would cripple a rival's economy, thereby giving us a further lead.

We promote and advocate wars that -can be won-, be they to gain territory, resources, or simply to slow an opponent or deny resources. We DO NOT advocate prolonged wars that will strangle our economy and resources. Before declaring war, our nation should have a clear view of the objectives already in place. There are many civ's out there who will challenge our dominance, carefull planning and adaptation will be required for the military to succeed.

We welcome opposing views and parties, as competition leads to greater strength. Debate and votes are essential to our society, and we will leave major decisions on what is best to the people, as they are the true strength of Apolytonia. While we may oppose others views, we realize that the enemy lies without, and not within, and will work to achieve a cooperation between parties to meet the greater good. We believe in the Democratic process and will actively work to ensure the people's will is carried out.

What do you think?

[Andemagne]

Originally posted by Crisler
Strength and honor are virtues of the Fundamentalist Faction as well. We value intregity and honor highly, a man's word should be his bond. We also believe in a strong military. Be we use these things to not only bring glory to our country but also to bring glory to our God!

now! thats something I wnat to hear!

and hawk party has good points also

[Crisler]

It sounds as if the Hawk party shares many of the same views as the Fundamentalist Faction. We would welcome an alliance of our two parties.

E.L. Crisler
Fundamentalist Faction

[Tactical Marine]

You got yourself a new member jd.

I think we should act immediantly and get as many party members in cabinet postions as possible to ensure that our party is in control at the beging.

[jdd2007]

great, TacMar! lets recruit some more people...

[UnOrthOdOx]

jd,

I remain always and forever a Hawk. I may not be quite as active here as the Civ 3 game requires much of my attention, but rest assured, will be lurking at the very least.

[DeathByTheSword]

may I ask what your thinking (?) is on atrocities (appeal or not) because they are almost all war related....and if you believe in war i suggest you read 'The art of war' by Sun Ztu his views on the battlefield are great but no more great then his views on the state and war......

[Method]

jdd, do you even have SMAC?

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
may I ask what your thinking (?) is on atrocities (appeal or not) because they are almost all war related....and if you believe in war i suggest you read 'The art of war' by Sun Ztu his views on the battlefield are great but no more great then his views on the state and war......

While we are listing reading references, might I also suggest the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu (which Sun Tzu's work is based on) and the essays of Sun Ping (who refined Sun Tzu's work for a more modern era)

The seperation of military and state truly cannot be done, as Sun Tzu suggests. There is a time and place for military action, but this party is to make sure that when the time is there, we are in a place to use the military. Atrocities should be taken IMO on a case by case basis, and upon evaluating the situation at the time.

TKG, if you are referring to the manifesto, I wrote that for the Civ 3 game (yes, I wrote it, but jdd is president of the party and editted my work making me rewrite it what, 4 times...). It does need to be adjusted some to fit in here more appropriately, but the basic idea will remain.

[DeathByTheSword]

I am aware of sun pin but he did not refined Sun Tzu`s work there is a big differents between sun pin and sun Tzu...feedback on lao Tzu I do not have because this is the first time i have heard of the name . EDIT: the name Tao te ching ring a bell by the way.......the way of battle? isnt?