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  • #46
    You make a good case, and under a fundamentalist government they do make sense. But nonetheless, under proper conditions running either Green of Free Market in mid-game allows for research rates of only a few turns, but late-game under Cybernetic the research rate can lowered to 2 or 3 turns for a democratic society. I fully advocate quick expansion as well in order to ensure a large population base for commerce, research, etc; as well as the possibility of a Diplomatic Victory or at least to ensure the position of Planetary Governor. I believe the idea victory goal should be transcendence, and all others should only be considered in extreme cases. Furthermore the SE choices of Democracy/Green (ideally) or Free Market/Knowledge/Cybernetic guarantee the quickest route to transcendence.
    You can only curse me to eternal damnation for so long!

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    • #47
      Voltair, you also make some good points, I personally would like to see Fundamentalist Green :-) hey we get what we can work with :-) I would accept Democratic /Green as a worthy alternative.

      Again though this is what I have proposed all along a compromise on these matters so that all parties can feel adeiquately represented. As I asked before I would welcome an alliance with your party in an effort to unite behind our common goal areas. In that way we can try to work toward our goals. Once we have the common areas secured we can then work on compromises to the areas of objection.

      E.L. Crisler
      Fundamentalist Faction

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      • #48
        I would welcome an alliance, we may disagree on certain issues but at least we can work together towards those we agree on.
        You can only curse me to eternal damnation for so long!

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        • #49
          Well said sir, if you would like to make an official announcement of this allaince I will back ti to the wall. From here forward the LSD and Fundamentalist Faction will work together to bring prosperity to our new colony.

          An issue we will need to discuss is how we handle the upcoming election for offices. Would your party back my canidacy for Commissioner in reutnr for the Fundamentalist Faction backing your run for Science Advisor?

          If so we need to find some other factions that might join us to fill other psoitions. In that way we can make a truly coalition goverment that will represent all the people of this colony.

          E.L. Crisler
          Fundamentalist Faction

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          • #50
            the hawks would agree to an alliance, if we have no more than 3 or 4 members after this week.

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            • #51
              Voltaire>
              While you may agree on an alliance, it's just proper to consult the rest of the party (on our thread etc...)
              I, for example, might not be too comfortable with it, as our basic ideologies are somewhat opposed it might diminish our credibility (being just one of the reasons)
              You make my life and times
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              • #52
                While you may agree on an alliance, it's just proper to consult the rest of the party (on our thread etc...)
                I apologize for the misunderstanding, as I did say I may agree on an alliance, I never spoke for the party. I will clarify that now.
                You can only curse me to eternal damnation for so long!

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                • #53
                  On behalf of the Orthodox hard-liners of our party, I would also welcome an alliance with LSD. At least it would keep us from allying with more other radical sub-factions.

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                  • #54
                    how about the hawks?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by jdd2007
                      how about the hawks?
                      The way I see it, now we're kind of lingering between a more peaceful moderation (like LSD) and emphasis on strength and honor (like Hawks). Would you be prepared to support Crisler as Commissioner, if we reciprocate by supporting your guy as the Director of Science?

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                      • #56
                        yes, leland.

                        a coalition would be best. check out ACE

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                        • #57
                          JDD,

                          No matter the outcome of the Coalition that has been proposed the Fundamentalist Faction would welcome an Allaince with the Hawks. Your views on a stonrg military are something we share. Combined with our views of peace first this would make a strong platform.

                          Ade the only issue of contention between the FF and the LSD is the issue of faith, the other 95% of our platforms are very close. In social engineering with the excpetion of the Fundamentalist choice we are just about right on target.

                          An allaince would strengthen both of our abilites to achieve those common goals, as I said to Voltaire, and once those common goals are achived we can work on compromises to achive the other goals that we disagree on. In the end compromise is the true langauge of polotics, and for a Fundamenalist the key to political compromise is not to give up our base values, which political wrangling usually has nothing to do with.


                          E.L. Crisler
                          Fundamentalist Faction

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                          • #58
                            Is the official name of our party "Fundamentalist Faction" or "Fundamentalist Party"?

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                            • #59
                              crisler, can i ask again about your views on market/green? you said before that i "might just sway you". have i?

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                              • #60
                                TKG,

                                I can say I find your argument very valid. I would be willing to tender the trade off of Green for Free Market as you proposed if some concessions where issued from your side on other matters. Afterall politics is the art of compromise, finding what areas are worth fighting over and what areas are not.

                                E.L. Crisler
                                Fundamentalist Faction

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