P4 policial thread

[DeathByTheSword]

Our party stands for economic and technological progress. Thus our keywords are Discover and Build. The way to reach these goals are equal chances and free education among other things.
Therefore our early game SE settings are:
Democracy/Planned/Wealth
Later we will switch to:
Democracy/FM/Knowledge
Future might vary between FM/Cybernetic and Green/Eudaimonic.
I want to stress that we are firmly against Fundamentalism, Power and Thought Control, as we believe in free thought and creativity.
On atrocities we support upholding the UN Charter. We do want to build one punishment sphere as a prison base. This will also serve as an energy park and the main base for our air fleet.
P4 is for the use of probes for defensive and inflitration purposes. But we're against any use of them for another mission, like framing or tech stealing, in peacetime. But during wartime, we think they can be used for all the missions we want, excepted atrocities.
We also give a high priority to the HSA as we would no longer need to build defensive probes and as it would make the -2 Probe for going Knowledge unimportant.
Besides infiltration and defence we will also use probes for exploring and pod popping. That way we can still expand our knowledge of the outer world without creating pacifism drones under Free Market.
[written by M@ni@c foundig member of P4]



members
M@ni@c - [founding member]
DeathByTheSword -
TKG - [director of Science]
Juliennew -
Archaic -
Tactical Marine -
The Bloody Baro -
Zakharov VII -
Thud -

[Maniac]

Obviously!

[Maniac]

Since this is our party thread, perhaps you should respond here on my post in the other thread. Do you agree with my position about Planned<->FM? As Eudaimonists, we want all people to reach their full potential, through providing free education (Knowledge Value) among other things. I think, from mid-game on, this is better done in a FM than in a Planned economy.

[DeathByTheSword]

yes but we such abandon FM during longwartime we can use the police then....

[Maniac]

Ok. So if I understand you normally Demo FM, but in long wars PS or Planned may be an option?

I hope of course we will try to avoid wars.

[DeathByTheSword]

yes ofcourse we try to avoid wars but if we play tracend there will be wars... but what you said is right Demo FM and in long wars (what isnt a good options -no faction benifits by prolonged war- so say Sun ztu in his book the art of war) we could change for getting more units.....if it is needed.....what do you think of covert-ops, nervegas, nervestaple, and the building and use of planetbuster. (atrocities in general?)

[Maniac]

In my own games I tend to make not much use of covert-ops except for infiltrating. I steal techs from factions I'm at war at, but that's it. Framing is too risky IMO. Nervegas I only use against aliens. Genetic Warfare never. Nervestaple I only used on one game. Planet Buster also never.

But as a P4 members I'd say we try to build a good economy, so getting economic sanctions because of use of nervegas, nervestapling or planet busters is out of the question.

But what if the UN Charter is abolished? In my own games then, I wouldn't have a problem with using atrocities à volonté. But as a party member I don't know really. The question is, will we profilate us as an ethical party and defend the rights of every individual, thus not allowing any atrocity? Or will we profilate us as a party which is interested in the economic and scientific progress of our faction as a whole, and not so much in every individual, thus allowing eg a punishment sphere?
I would prefer the latter, but that might clash with our idea of Eudaimonia, and we might lose potential members and votes.

Personally, I am in favour of the idea of Eudaimonia because every citizen fulfilling its potential and every citizen at the place it deserves is a more efficient society, thus promoting science and economy. I'm not really in to that idea because it is the "ethical" thing to do or so, as the CCCP thinks. Eudaimonia is just a method to reach the goal of Progress IMHO.

[DeathByTheSword]

well i think that i depends on the situation....i am a strong believer in that we need planetbuster on a large scale but only use them if we are attacked by planetbuster them self and when the un charter is gone. and nervestapling is ok during sunblocks. i am against nervegas but instist on creating such units. genetic warfare i never use...i am flexible in the choises depending on the game.... but i agree that economic and scientific progress is our number one concern

[Maniac]

Ah yes, that's a good middleway. Build them but don't use them unless thrreatened. I would be ok as well with nerve stapling during sunblocks.

Edit: This post made me King!!

[Method]

war under market is entirely possible (with ascentic virtues and brood pits) but i do realise that switching to green or police (or both) would be a better possibility.

actually never mind. no brood pits in SMAC.

BTW i'll vote for you DBTS

[DeathByTheSword]

EDIT:
remember some where in this thread i said i am not that good the first couple of turns on thinker or tracend
will you become a member of p4 too?

[Method]

yeah! thats what the meant!

[DeathByTheSword]

ok then we have 3 members

[Maniac]

The largest party again! Punishment Spheres is even better for wars under FM. Another reason why I wouldn't be anti-atrocity.

[DeathByTheSword]

then we have our political poly party protocol (again p4) ready.

FM/Demo/not anti-atrocity/flexible/only covert-ops during wartime?