The EDP Manifesto

[AdamTG02]

I think it was someone from the LSD (although my memory is hazy) who said that to maintain an army on Free Market, all you would have to do is support a lot of troops from a size one Empath base, and either use clean reactors or a lot of Mineral crawlers. I support that idea, because it avoids the thorny PS issue while still keeping our options open.

Of course, my hope is that we wouldn't need such a large army... but if we do, all the hope in the world isn't going to change that.

Planet Busters? It's been discussed to use them as a deterrent, but Orbital Defense Pods are only a little later in the tech tree and make a deterrent PB force unnecessary. An enemy is unlikely to launch PBs before we can get a few Defense Pods up and running. I'd rely on the E&I Director to keep an eye on PB production, in any case. (And this is one reason I see Empath Guild, or if that fails, HSA, as a must. We must be able to spy on any of our enemies, to react to their movements as soon as possible.)

[Method]

Originally posted by AdamTG02
I think it was someone from the LSD (although my memory is hazy) who said that to maintain an army on Free Market, all you would have to do is support a lot of troops from a size one Empath base, and either use clean reactors or a lot of Mineral crawlers. I support that idea, because it avoids the thorny PS issue while still keeping our options open.

that was my idea. no wait, i lie. it was kass (now i remember). i brought it up in the chat one day, and kass thought of it. this was a modified version of maniac/DBTS's idea minus the sphere.

Originally posted by AdamTG02
Planet Busters? It's been discussed to use them as a deterrent, but Orbital Defense Pods are only a little later in the tech tree and make a deterrent PB force unnecessary. An enemy is unlikely to launch PBs before we can get a few Defense Pods up and running. I'd rely on the E&I Director to keep an eye on PB production, in any case.

PB's for deterrence don't work. the AI won't launch them unless the charter's repealed, whether we have a PB or not. they'll build several of them for themselves, but won't launch them with the charter. ODP's do come a LOT later (self aware machines D11 IIRC) compared to PB's at orbital spaceflight D6.

[DeathByTheSword]

the carter can be removed even if we dont want too so i still say lets have some pb`s

[Method]

us having a PB wont prevent the AI from launching. its not that smart, you know.

[FlameFlash]

Going with Adam and TKG here as far as the lack of need for us to have planet busters...

Also, it's about time somebody pointed out that we're not solely just members of CDC without a voice of our own... we just joined CDC because our voice could get louder by doing so.

[DeathByTheSword]

yes but if the carter is releaved (maybe in early game already) and we havent got any but the enemy has and uses them we are sitting ducks with some lost bases and we cant retaliatte.

an eye for an eye. a tooth for a tooth. a base for a base

[Archaic]

Perhaps it's time to distance yourself from them then. P4 is the loudest of all the political groups, and it isn't allied with anyone. But EDP seems to have been eaten whole by the CDC, and to many outside the party at least, doesn't seem to have its own personal identity.

Saying you're adaptable given different situations is fine and all, but if you're attached to the CDC, then there's strong pressure for you to not stay from the line they've set.

[Method]

well, adam, our office is always open if you make a decision. as you can see, we don't all agree on everything. there is disagreement on PBs within our party.

Are there any specific policies you would like to discuss?

[FlameFlash]

DBTS... mutual destruction is not a good thing.

Not really, Archaic... I'm content with EDP's current position, especially since you never know who we actually voted for... Our voice, unfortunately will be small no matter what unless we collect some more citizens, and with P4 I can see us as actually having less of a voice than we do now. Working together at moments of agreement is one thing (which is basically all the CDC and we do together) and it's something we're willing to do with any party at any point when we want something done that other parties (that are possibly not in CDC) also can do.

[Archaic]

I'm not saying you should join up with P4 at all. Work with us together on occasion yes, but not join up as a coalition with us. If your party went alone, I could see it getting as vocal and as heard as the P4. While you're with CDC though, you'll always be seen as just a small part of the whole. If you're only working together in moments of agreement anyway, you don't belong in a coalition.

[DeathByTheSword]

Flameflash what do you prefer: we getting our ass kicked (sorry for the language) or we getting our ass kicked and we kicking some ass back so there will be come a peace.........i hope the later

[Method]

DBTS, we won't have to worry about the AI launching a PB. not one little bit. and if they do, we don't want to launch one back because:
A)Its an atrocity->sanctions
B)All other factions declare war on us
C)It causes eco-damage

[DeathByTheSword]

i am resting my case then we will talk about it when the time is right for me to say: i told you so.

[GeneralTacticus]

If we do want to prevent ourselves being PBed, all we need to do is secure the Planetary Governorship and veto any attempt to repeal the Charter.

As for co-operation with the P4 vs CDC: it's so early on as yet that we don't seem to have any disagreement (yet) on how we proceed.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Haon
I can already tell that P4 and the CCCP will not go, but to be honest I question the logetivity of all the othe myriad CDC parties which are all nearly indetical.

That was posted to the Rec. Commons. See what I meant about people not seeing where the parties end and the CDC starts?